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Monday, 11th June, 2012, 05:00 AM #1
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Monster Design in D&D Next
This week Mike tackles monster design and walks you through the conversion of a hook horror.
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Monday, 11th June, 2012, 07:28 AM #2
Lama (Lvl 13)
Seems interesting, I still think that the XP is too high though.
One thing that jumped up was the talk about encounter design, I thought we were moving away from that to advanture design.
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Monday, 11th June, 2012, 01:45 PM #3
Orcus on an Off-Day (Lvl 22)
The adventure may dictate for example 3000 XP spread over its length... but that doesn't mean a good or balanced design with that 3000 XP is eight fights worth 25 XP each, followed by an 1800 XP monstrous shitkicker. Which, if you don't talk about that in the DMG... means some newer or less-experienced DMs might actually think that's as valid a way to design an adventure as any other. Which they would unfortunately find out is not to be the case when the players are bored with those first 8 and then absolutely decimated in that final battle.
So giving helpful tips on designing adventures and individual fights or encounters is a good idea. You don't need to forsake one for the other.
Monday, 11th June, 2012, 08:11 AM #4
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L&L: Monster Design in D&D Next
As your new servant, why not bring you on a platter the new section of L & L this week? It is about Hook Horror, developing the concept of monsters following the ideas from all editions and presentation design example of a stat block in the rough and use NPCs to D & D Next. Bon appetit!
Monday, 11th June, 2012, 08:17 AM #5
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
I quite like the idea of monsters having a "level". This makes it easy to eyeball the power of monsters and makes it easy to advance the level and the difficulty of the monster.
Monday, 11th June, 2012, 08:22 AM #6
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The design sounds pretty straight-forward; for the purposes of designing a monster for a combat encounter, should work fine.
It's interesting to note monsters, at this time, aren't given skills. As broad as skills are going to be, I think that's a shame. I'd like to see kobolds with skill at trapmaking, bugbears with stealth, gnolls with tracking, sphinxes with skills in riddles, etc., to at least suggest uses beyond straight-up combat."If it has stats, we can kill it." - T.G. Jackson, intro to 3rd ed Hackmaster
Monday, 11th June, 2012, 08:30 AM #7
Superhero (Lvl 15)
I'm on board with this. The fact that they're keeping the 4th Edition experience budget fills me with joy; it made encounter-building an easy task. And I like the straightforward, yet flavorful approach to combat abilities. The hook horror has enough going for it there that it can do some cool maneuvers, but it's not going to take an hour to learn how to run it at the table.Iron DM 2014 Champion
Monday, 11th June, 2012, 08:56 AM #8
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Merging this with the existing news thread.
Monday, 11th June, 2012, 08:57 AM #9
Grandmaster of Flowers (Lvl 18)
It's a curate's egg. I like that they're keeping the 4e approach to the XP budget. But the monster itself? Urgh. No. It's slightly less flavoursome than the 4e version of the same monster, printed effectively as filler in the worst monster manual ever produced for 4e (the MM1). And this is what they use as a Showcase?
What the designers think is important about the Hook Horror in order:
* You can't hide from it (screwing the rogue)
* It gets two attacks that grab
* The grab does damage
* It gets to bite grabbed foes
* It can climb
* Its level
* Its stats
Which are fundamentally the least important parts.
If you want to make a monster interesting you start with its psychology. How it moves - not just its movement modes. How it hunts. Those are what make a monster. Not having mechanics that are identical to an oversized crab that scuttles up to people, grabs them in its claws, and squeezes. Oh wait - it does impaling rather than crushing damage. There's literally your only mechanical difference from a giant crab with a carapace.
If you want to make your hook horror actually interesting, give it a "No one looks up" ability giving it advantage when attempting to hide on the ceiling, and a "Death from Above" attack; the Hook Horror can drop safely from a ceiling that is 30ft or lower and land on its feet as a free acttion. If it does so it retains any advantage it had for being hidden from its foe for the attacks it makes this turn.
Now. Instead of a crab that climbs instead of swims you have something really scary. A monster that hides on the ceiling, drops into the middle of the enemy, and then rends them into pieces.
(Some ideas stolen from Drek on rpg.net; his version of the Hook Horror dragged the enemies off but I'm going for more of a gore-monster here as that feels more like a hook horror to me.)
Monday, 11th June, 2012, 10:17 AM #10
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