New RPG Company Casting All Women for Genesys

TanithT

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I'm not sure if books are their primary target either (based on a brief discussion over email earlier this year when they inquired about my freelancing availability). But I can't say for certain, and respectfully to someone that was willing to pay me, won't be going into details of what was on their minds at that time.

Wouldn't expect you to. It's not worth compromising your professional integrity and reputation, either by being careless with what is told to you in confidence or by becoming associated with projects like this.

Besides, I expect the reveal to come pretty soon anyhow, if they've tossed this many breadcrumbs out on their site. I think I can see the picture pretty clearly from here; it just remains to be confirmed if they are up to what I think they are with the social media focus.
 

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This is just sad and pathetic.

As others have indicated, as a hetero male with a healthy libido, I enjoy looking at and interacting with attractive women. Quite a lot.

However, I will not and do not endorse this--financially or otherwise--as gamers already have a tough time of it, and female gamers should not be made to feel uncomfortable with any aspect of our hobby.
 


1ofthe9

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Hello Morrus,

My name is Lynnette, and I am one of the owners of Fable Streams. I'd like to thank you for posting the release on our national casting search for 1 of the 9 female lead characters in our new tabletop RPG, Genesys; however, I think it is very important that we clarify what we are actually looking for with this casting process.

We are in fact looking for our definition of a "gorgeous women." The type of "gorgeous women" we are exclusively looking for are strong, independent women, who break stereotypes and embody the true heart of a gamer. Why can't girl gamers be referred to as "gorgeous?!" I personally know many girl gamers who not only serve as GMs, but can also show everyone at the table a thing or two about gaming.

We are only looking for women who actually enjoy playing or are exited about learning to play the same games that I, along with thousands of other women enjoy playing. The mainstream media, television, and film have dedicated many years to portraying gamers as unattractive introverted people, who do not enjoy interacting with others. A perfect example is Raj from the Big Bang Theory, who can't even speak to women unless he has a drink. Fable Streams is about breaking those stereotypes.

We have a company created by gamers for gamers, dedicated to sparking a movement to break mainstream stereotypes associated with the gaming community. We look forward to hosting our fellow gamers at Q Lounge this Saturday for our casting event and launch party. As gamers, shouldn't we be allowed to have a night out at a club, enjoy great music and have a cocktail, two or maybe even three. For too long gamers have been hiding—no more! Gamers Assemble!

Anyone interested in knowing more about our launch party and casting event is invited to visit Video Contest 1 of the 9 Fates for Genesys RPG |
 


TanithT

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We are in fact looking for our definition of a "gorgeous women." The type of "gorgeous women" we are exclusively looking for are strong, independent women, who break stereotypes and embody the true heart of a gamer. Why can't girl gamers be referred to as "gorgeous?!"

Why do you refer to adult women as "girls", or as "hot gamer chicks"? If you really believe that what you are presenting isn't about objectifying, judging, and making women feel like they are not accepted as normal participants in the hobby, then why not use more respectful language?

I think it's possible that you imagine you're trying to be respectful of women by offering them 'powerful' character roles, but please consider your language and presentation. You are essentially soliciting female pinup models and saying, "Look, girl gamers can be sexually marketable commodities too, they're not just ugly nerds, they can be hot sex objects!"

Really not seeing the problem with this?

See, part of the reason I am a nerd is that I say a great big F-U to media stereotypes of how women should act and dress and be, yaknow, marketable sex commodities. I reject all that stuff because I like to play with snakes and crocodiles in the mud, I like to lift weights and kick ass, I like to dress for comfort rather than style, I like to play D&D and I don't care who knows it, and I feel no need whatsoever to take off my big nerdy glasses or dumb my intelligence down so I can look cuter for the boys. Don't like me as I am, because I have better ways to spend my time than obsessively grooming myself for your visual pleasure? Move on; it's not my problem. Now you're trying to tell me that yes, indeed I *can* successfully be a marketable sex commodity, a gorgeous hot gamer chick?

Uh, dude, no, you're missing the point. Of course I can put on uncomfortable clothes and smile and parade myself in front of a camera. But I made the choice a very long time ago not to submit to being judged for my worth as a sex commodity. That's why I'm a nerd. Not because I lack social skills, or because I'm unattractive, but because I don't buy into the 'looks-ist' garbage that tells women that they have no worth unless they can succeed in the media-driven rat race to be judged on their looks rather than on their accomplishments.

What you're saying is that the stereotype is a valid one - women really do only have worth that is based on their looks - and you're offering folks who have been historically unsuccessful in playing that particular game a chance to get back into it and win. This is the game a lot of us nerds opted out of on purpose, because we think the game itself is seriously effed up and we don't want to play. No, we don't want back in, and we sure as hell don't want it taking over our gaming tables.

Regardless of your intent, this meme perpetuates the idea that there isn't any other way for a woman to be viewed except on her marketability as a sex commodity. The spectrum of what a woman can be doesn't just go from "unattractive nerd" to "porn star". Showing that gamer women can indeed be porn stars - and calling them "girls" and "chicks" while you're at it - does absolutely nothing to, as you say, 'break the stereotype'. It just perpetuates some equally ugly ones at the other end of the same spectrum. It doesn't teach your gamer community in general to be accepting or respectful of women as normal human beings who can just be gamers like anyone else.

Probably the bigger problem is how women are going to feel about the message you are sending with your language. Are some of them going to like the fact that there are powerful, sexy female characters? Absolutely. Are many of them going to like the fact that you are referring to these supposedly intelligent, respected, powerful women as "girls" and "hot chicks"? Dunno about that so much.

Are any of us going to appreciate sitting down to a gaming table and being called "girl" and "chick" by the other gamers because your system teaches that language and that way of viewing and interacting with women? Not a chance in Gehenna, bub.

As a female gamer, I feel marginalized enough. As a female at all, I already live in an environment of media bombardment that says I am worth nothing if I am not a marketable sex commodity. I very much do not need more of this from my own kind. If I sit down at a gaming table, I expect to be seen as a gamer - as a human being, as an ordinary person who just wants to play like everyone else.

Bottom line, I do not want my gaming experience to look like this. I do not want to be objectified by men whose idea of what women are like and how they should see us and treat us comes from people who refer to us in demeaning terms and use us as marketing commodities. Tone down the 'hot chick' objectification crap and show a little more respect for the things you say you appreciate in women who game, and maybe we'll actually believe you. Even the men have been reacting pretty negatively and angrily here, so it may be time to seriously re-think your sensitivity level over in Marketing.
 
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CleverNickName

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Welcome to ENWorld, Lynnette. And thanks for taking the time to explain your company and your mission. It is a hard market that you are trying to break out into, and I wish you the best.

We are in fact looking for our definition of a "gorgeous women." The type of "gorgeous women" we are exclusively looking for are strong, independent women, who break stereotypes and embody the true heart of a gamer. Why can't girl gamers be referred to as "gorgeous?!" I personally know many girl gamers who not only serve as GMs, but can also show everyone at the table a thing or two about gaming.
Of course they can, Lynnette. In fact, I have the pleasure of being in a domestic partnership with the very woman you describe. I can't speak for everyone in this thread, but the reason I am so critical of your mission is because you are asking us to agree with you on something that is just...well, incorrect.

I disagree with the notion that society thinks we are all a bunch of unattractive losers who hide in our basements. To the contrary, recent movies, websites, and clothing magazines seem to tell us that the "nerd" stereotype is desirable, and worthy of imitation. From t-shirts with pro-nerd catchphrases printed on them, to oversized glasses frames and retro-styled briefcases instead of purses...people are spending a lot of money to look nerdier than ever.

And it's not just about wardrobe. Here in Portland, it is not unheard of to walk into a microbrew pub and see people playing Magic: the Gathering, D&D, or Munchkin instead of watching the game. A few days ago, I watched a couple of 30-somethings practicing for a LARP game in the park across the street on their lunch break...still wearing their suits and neckties, and in full view of the law office where they work.

To quote Wil Wheaton, "Geek is the new Jock."

And that is why your event is so offensive to some of us. See, when you organize an event designed around "breaking mainstream stereotypes associated with the gaming community," the first thing you have to do is convince us that the mainstream stereotype is negative. And that is going to be a very hard sell for gamers like us, who have known for years how sexy a nerd can be. When you say "come, let us show the world that nerds are sexy!", we hear "the whole world thinks you're ugly. Prove them wrong." Nobody is going to rally around that.

In closing, I believe Schaffer the Darklord said it best in his song "Nerd Lust":

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgk1nqkJAac]Schaffer The Darklord - Nerd Lust - YouTube[/ame]
 
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