While those things are out there, the question is where. Just see them as pockets, they are not going to be common.
Take the Quakers and Amish in PA, they could last a good bit but would be seen as easy targets by any one leaving the east coast, odds are they would be wiped out or enslaved in the first 5 years.
Population would drop fast in 15 years, maybe down to 2 billion in that time frame. People would leave the cities, in droves. Most would only make 200 to 300 miles before dying, do to exposure, illness and other people. Then you have random events, nuke power plants blowing up but also rail cars carrying stuff like chloride, then wild fires, floods.
15 years is a good point, I can see this point as the turn around. People are not just trying to make it from day to day but also now thinking about re-building some of the stuff they lost.
Take the Quakers and Amish in PA, they could last a good bit but would be seen as easy targets by any one leaving the east coast, odds are they would be wiped out or enslaved in the first 5 years.
Population would drop fast in 15 years, maybe down to 2 billion in that time frame. People would leave the cities, in droves. Most would only make 200 to 300 miles before dying, do to exposure, illness and other people. Then you have random events, nuke power plants blowing up but also rail cars carrying stuff like chloride, then wild fires, floods.
15 years is a good point, I can see this point as the turn around. People are not just trying to make it from day to day but also now thinking about re-building some of the stuff they lost.