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    Secretive Behavior and Conspiracy Theories

    I just watched the Discovery Channel's Mermaid docuspiracy. So this is another TV/Real world discussion. Hopefully it'll be fun and I'll learn something.

    The premise is that these NOAA scientists get called to work on a mass whale beaching in Washington state. These are the same scientists who caught the Navy doing dangerous Sonic Weapon tests, proved it, published it, and made them stop.

    While on the scene, they find the Navy is already there, has one of the many bodies cordoned off while they do mysterious fiddling around. After the Navy leaves, the scientists go over and look, but don't find anything.

    There's another mass beaching in South Africa, and the same scientists go there, and through some odd luck, get pointed to a dead great white shark that they open up and find parts of a mysterious critter that they later deduce is a Mermaid.

    Note, the scientists don't realize it's humanoid until later stages of their research. They think they've got a new marine mammal like a whale or dolphin on their hands. it happens.

    Later, the South Africa seizes the research, destroys it, and all that's left is the scientists and what's in their head. It also turns out that the 2 boys who found the first beaching had a camphone recording (which in those days was rare and less probable for the Navy to think to confiscate when they talked to the family). The video shows a Merfolk survivor reacting to the kid's prodding.

    It's an interesting story. But is there a more practical way to tell if its real?

    Is there a way to investigate odd happenings that secure the evidence and prevent cover-ups, etc from happening?

    Is there a way for governments to act that don't make things look suspicious.

    Let's say there really was NOT an mermaid on the beach that day. There's really no kind of business for the Navy to be on the beach that day, let alone to be secretive about in front of NOAA investigators who also have authority to be on the scene.

    It's the same problem as when your kid refuses to tell you where he's been all day. Acting secretively induces distrust and suspicion, which causes the questioner to increase their scrutiny. Kids complain all the time about their parents invading their privacy and not trusting them, but in most cases, it's because kids are stupid and give evasive responses, rather than a simple, if fabricated outline of their day's activity that will satisfy the querant, without rousing further investigation.

    Now I'm dubious of most conspiracies. I think humans are relatively lousy at keeping secrets, especially low paid ones like the kind that make up government agencies.

    But I also find that humans hide stupid things, probably more out of contrariness or getting caught for embezzlement, than any great concerted effort to hide aliens, etc.

    Are there any conspiracy theories that actually might have some weight, beyond just the kook factor?

    For instance, my conspiracy theory friend says:
    various US departments posted an ad on their sites (homeland security, social security, some others) for 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition for some specific calibres of guns. That's enough bullets to double-tap every citizen of the United States. Also, apparently Hollow points are against Geneva Conventions, so the military can't use them. They've since blacked out the amounts, but not the ad on the website.

    Chemtrails, he says, are just silver oxide, which attracts water. basically rain seeding and mostly harmless (except for what other side effects silver oxide might do). So apparently he's not a chemtrail-nut.

    The Federal Reserve, I'm told from multiple sources is evil/corrupt. I was never quite clear on the details.

    In Minnesota, the DNR publishes what it pays out to a shell company for some "mystery' service. In past years, it was some reasonable amount (sub-million dollars). Since a new sales tax that feeds to the DNR passed, that number has jumped up considerably higher in the millions). Obviously, increased funds should result in increased spending. But this "looks" like somebody's getting a big pay increase for potentially the same service.

    Anything else I should know about the conspiracies of the world?

 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janx View Post
    Is there a way for governments to act that don't make things look suspicious.
    This falls under, "you see what you look for".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    This falls under, "you see what you look for".
    there's probably no appeasing really paranoid or suspicious people.

    But let's say, for "normal" people, there's a way to show up on the scene that doesn't make people think you're hiding something or intimidating people into silence.

    I think there's a non-zero group of normal people who experience this behavior, which then in turn makes them curious and investigage further, and become more convinced there's something insidious going on. When in fact, it's just people communicating poorly. It creates conspiracy theory behavior, basically.


    I think it's a collision of "if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't be averse to being examined" with "nobody needs to know my business"

    i think as humans, we do a piss poor job of prioritizing that access to my credit card information should be on a need to know basis, versus sharing a basic explanation of why I'm at a location with any other individual who asks me at that location. People in general don't need to know my comings and goings (ala Facebook), but being overly protective of that information invites miscommunication and distrust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janx View Post
    I think it's a collision of "if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't be averse to being examined" with "nobody needs to know my business"
    Well, stack on top of this that the people whose business you don't need to know are not just normal citizens, but are acting in an official capacity. In many instances, they are not allowed to discuss open investigations or activities, and do have a need to keep civilians out of the way.

    They have to keep their authority, have to avoid causing alarm, but cannot give out definitive information - that's basically tying their hands as to what they can or cannot say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    Well, stack on top of this that the people whose business you don't need to know are not just normal citizens, but are acting in an official capacity. In many instances, they are not allowed to discuss open investigations or activities, and do have a need to keep civilians out of the way.

    They have to keep their authority, have to avoid causing alarm, but cannot give out definitive information - that's basically tying their hands as to what they can or cannot say.
    If something is high level enough (ie. federal) and is documented with a paper trail, eventually such information may end up being declassified and/or revealed many years (or decades) later through "freedom of information" requests .
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    This may get me "expunged" by the MiBs, but I work for the agency that creates "documents" for various agencies to fulfill Freedom of Information Act requests. That's right, they're all at least partially falsified...even the redacted portions.

    BRB- someone is knocking at my door...
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    Huh...

    Wonder why the other thread was locked... Very curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannyalcatraz View Post
    BRB- someone is knocking at my door...
    Is that Agent Will Smith?
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    I have absolutely no recollection of posting in this thread...my account must have been hacked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannyalcatraz View Post
    I have absolutely no recollection of posting in this thread...my account must have been hacked!
    To be fair, aren't you the guy who posts to ENWorld while intoxicated?

    You know, if you're blacking out while doing that, you might have a problem...

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