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    Paleo/Primal/Ancestral/Low-Carb Dietary Lifestyles

    Any other gamers here into this health lifestyle? I have to say, I've experienced some very good results with this. I dropped clothing sizes, look leaner, and feel healthier. I only wish I had discovered this stuff earlier in life, not that I'm old or anything, but I want to keep gaming happily and healthily well into my twilight years.

    If you dig this stuff, tell me of your experiences.

    I get sad to think that some of our hobby's pioneers could still be with us if they had known about and followed this lifestyle. My own father is now experiencing complications from diabetes and other lifestyle-related illnesses, and I'm sad I can't convince him to change his ways

    I know we gamers get a bad rep on the health and fitness side of things, our hobby being of the more sedentary kind, and I'm not trying to offend here, but if your health and fitness concerns you, I heartily recommend books like Robb Wolf's [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Solution-Original-Human-Diet/dp/0982565844"]The Paleo Solution, [/ame]or Mark Sisson's [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Primal-Blueprint-Reprogram-effortless-boundless/dp/0982207786/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1349282679&sr=1-1&keywords=primal+blueprint"]Primal Blueprint[/ame], and the author's respective blogs:

    Mark's Daily Apple (there's a free set of guidelines here)
    Robb Wolf's blog

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    Nerd Fitness (I wish I had come up with the idea for this one!)
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    Not heard of it. How does it differ from a thousand other low-carb diets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androlphas View Post
    I get sad to think that some of our hobby's pioneers could still be with us if they had known about and followed this lifestyle.
    My opinion:

    There is a big, big, big question here. Are you and others seeing results because you are on *this* particular plan, or because you're on *a* plan? I suggest it is more the latter.

    Virtually anyone who goes on any type of dietary plan will see results, as long as they stick to the plan. The issue here isn't whether it is low-carb, or paleo, or superfoods, or Weight Watchers, or whatever, but that it is a plan, and it has you observing and paying attention to what you eat. Following a plan gets better results than acting at random. Duh!

    The danger isn't in failing to eat paleo, but in failing to watch what you eat, in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    My opinion:

    There is a big, big, big question here. Are you and others seeing results because you are on *this* particular plan, or because you're on *a* plan? I suggest it is more the latter.

    Virtually anyone who goes on any type of dietary plan will see results, as long as they stick to the plan. The issue here isn't whether it is low-carb, or paleo, or superfoods, or Weight Watchers, or whatever, but that it is a plan, and it has you observing and paying attention to what you eat. Following a plan gets better results than acting at random. Duh!

    The danger isn't in failing to eat paleo, but in failing to watch what you eat, in general.
    I'm largely of the opinion that all of these plans in their own way pretty much reduce calories. Some have small percentage advantages over others, but not enough that any normal person cognizant of confirmation bias will notice; the hi-tech science stuff in these diets only really matters to Olympic athletes and the like where tiny differences are important. To everyone else, they're all much of a muchness.

    There's no magic diet. There just isn't (well, there's one every year - or one that claims to be). It all boils down to the same thing: eat less, exercise more, and if one of those thousands of plans indirectly accomplishes that for you then great. Don't worry about types of fat and types of carbs and glycemic indexes and all that stuff unless you're literally an Olympic athlete within 1% of your required physical condition, in which case it'll matter.

    Calories in - calories out. It's just basic mathematics and the laws of thermodynamics. All the rest is just fluff to sell you books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
    Calories in - calories out. It's just basic mathematics and the laws of thermodynamics. All the rest is just fluff to sell you books.
    While I agree with you that there no magic diet, I'm going to make the bold claim that this mentality is a prime example of tragically misapplied nutritional science. Not picking on you @Morrus

    Thermodynamics says nothing about causality. In other words, it's easy to blame fat people for their overeating and sedentary lifestyle (gluttony and sloth) as the cause of their condition, when its equally possible that the gaining of mass in the form of fat is what's causing them to eat more and conserve energy. The question in that case would be "well what's causing them to get fat then?" Which is an *excellent* starting place for a real inquiry.

    There's a whole body of research out there that gets deeply into this notion, though as a lay person myself I've relied on Gary Taubes' Good Calories, Bad Calories (the heavily footnoted TOME of research) and Why We Get Fat (the digest version, sources but no footnotes). Gary Taubes ? Author of Why We Get Fat and Good Calories, Bad Calories. He is a medical researcher, writes for Science, received 3 Science in Society Journalism Awards, and is a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Investigator in Health Policy Research at UC Berkeley's School of Public Health. IOW he's not a "diet guru" and he's not trying to sell you anything...well, besides his book (but I'm not yet cynical enough to discount any altruism of all authors everywhere).

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    Anyway, I started this thread for those of us who are into this lifestyle and as a "public service" for my fellow gamers. As for those who are curious, and (rightfully) question this lifestyle's validity, I cannot stress enough to look this stuff up, learn, and decide (even *gasp* try it out).
    Personally, I consider myself "Fry Curious"...

    I'm a fat dude who cooks. I grew up in a medical family, so seeing dieticians was, essentially, free for most of my life.

    General consensus: as long as your diet has all the right nutrients, it really is calories in, calories out. There's some new research coming up showing that types of calories do matter, but the jury is still out as to how much they matter.

    (My personal diet? Wildly varied, quite complete, few red flags. My issue is mainly one of portion control.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannyalcatraz View Post
    General consensus: as long as your diet has all the right nutrients, it really is calories in, calories out. There's some new research coming up showing that types of calories do matter, but the jury is still out as to how much they matter.
    In physics, we have a useful notion: "to first approximation".

    For example, Newton's Laws are correct, to first approximation. Einstein gives us corrections, but, for most folks, in most normal situations, Newton is good enough.

    I would say that,with all the dietary study done to date, that we haven't already clearly and unequivocally identified certain foods as "evil", that the same holds here - to first approximation, you can treat it as calories in, calories out. This is where the low hanging fruit of improvement lies - you'll get major results following this principle, and it is the simplest.

    Mind you, there is a psychological effect in which having a "trick", or piece of secret knowledge, makes a scheme seem more valid. The logic goes that, since so many people are overweight, it *must* be that the real issue is something complicated or hidden from normal view, or we'd have solved the problem. It couldn't be that we snack on high-calorie foods too much, and don't get as much exercise as our bodies are designed to have - that's too simple!

    (My personal diet? Wildly varied, quite complete, few red flags. My issue is mainly one of portion control.)
    Portion control, and, for many, not really realizing how many calories some foods have (sugared sodas, I'm looking at you!), and how much you actually need for a given level of activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quickleaf View Post
    While I agree with you that there no magic diet, I'm going to make the bold claim that this mentality is a prime example of tragically misapplied nutritional science.
    That's bold indeed. Nutritionists across the planet would be excited to discuss with you this notion of calories being "tragically misapplied nutritional science".
    I'd be amazed if even the authors of these books make that claim about the notion of calorie intake and expenditure.
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    I started low carb diet on September 1st. So far, I've lost 15 pounds, and today was the first day I've actually been hungry on the diet. I was very surprised to feel hungry, then I noticed it was 1:30 and I usually have lunch at noon.

    I'm pretty sure I haven't reduced calories very significantly, and certainly not as much as when I did actual calorie restriction diets. And I certainly feel vastly better.

    That said, there's a proselytizing effect a successful diet has that can be a bit annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
    That's bold indeed. Nutritionists across the planet would be excited to discuss with you this notion of calories being "tragically misapplied nutritional science".
    I'd be amazed if even the authors of these books make that claim about the notion of calorie intake and expenditure.
    Actually, Taubes, mentioned above devotes chapters of his book to it.

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