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Thread: Here Comes . . . the Monk!
Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 01:54 AM #41
Magsman (Lvl 14)
Maybe that's what they do. Have a few paragraphs explaining the history of the class--examples of what that class means in published worlds. So it's not in there as a rule, but as a suggestion:
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Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 02:13 AM #42
Meanwhile the Rogue is a melee combatant - and probably has worse AC than the Monk due to getting Light Armor instead of Wisdom to AC.
Frighteningly enough, I think the Fighter and the Rogue are the characters blessed with Mono-Stat-Potential due to their immediate access to the Parry ability. They have built-in damage soaking. You could give a Fighter high Strength and 10s in everything else (or Dex if he uses Ranged or Finesse Weapons) and he'll fight almost as well as a Fighter with better stats in his other abilities. Same goes for the Rogue with Dexterity.
The Cleric is weird. You can play a perfectly viable Cleric dumping Wisdom and going all Strength. Heavy Armor for him and the Fighter basically give them immunity to Dexterity requirements. He also comes with built-in healing.
The Wizard is Intelligence, sure, but Dexterity and Constitution really extend his modest survival potential.
The Monk actually needs solid Dexterity and Wisdom to do his job effectively. He has some self-healing, but he can't even take a damage prevention maneuver until Level 4 and has much less self-healing than the Cleric.
Hey, at least he doesn't use the d4 for hit dice anymore. :P
Slap a proper parry / block / dodge maneuver on his list out of the gate and he'd be reasonably survivable without needing Constitution so badly. Then he's not really MAD anymore.
- Marty Lund
Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 02:27 AM #43
Superhero (Lvl 15)
The overall execution of the monk looks pretty good right now, but some of the manuevers need work.
Flurry of Blows is a weakened deadly strike which requires a lot more attack rolls (yes you can attack multiple targets, but I don't know if rolling 1d10 for damage at 10th level is going to be worth an attack....maybe with crits).
Deflect Missiles is just too complicated for what it does. Why do I need to roll all the expertise dice and make another attack roll all to let me throw an arrow back at someone for 1d10 / 2?. Couldn't I just use the original attack roll? Is letting me get the full 1d10 damage roll so gamebreaking?
That said, I think Iron Root Defense is a great example of the same stuff done in a very different way. Iron Root and Parry both negate damage. But Parry lets you soak more from one attack, doesn't negate mobility, and is reactive. Meanwhile Iron Root negates from all sources (including spells) and potentially give you huge amounts of reduction if facing a lot of attacks.
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Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 02:30 AM #44
Cutpurse (Lvl 5)
nice i think the monk looks great! going to have to give it a try but looks like lots of fun
Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 02:31 AM #45
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
I love the monk. I love the use of expertise dice for his class.
I would remove the need for a second ED to catch a missile. I would just say that any deflection can be caught. This is very similar to the maneuver I came up with for Jedi Knights to deflect and redirect blaster bolts.
Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 02:56 AM #46
I have to agree. It's a little over-complicated. One die to increase AC through deflection. On a successful deflection you can blow unused dice to throw the weapon at a fixed range increment for Expertise Dice in damage - basically a Riposte mechanic, but at range. (That reminds me, give the Fighter a Riposte mechanic!)
Bob shoots you with an arrow. You catch it and whip it around into Jeff's windpipe. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Also works perfectly with deflecting blaster bolts for fun and profit. That's an awesome idea!
- Marty Lund
Last edited by mlund; Wednesday, 14th November, 2012 at 02:59 AM.
Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 02:57 AM #47
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 03:49 AM #48
Waghalter (Lvl 7)
Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 04:02 AM #49
Spellbinder (Lvl 16)
Wednesday, 14th November, 2012, 04:50 AM #50
Cutpurse (Lvl 5)