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    Is Kickstarter ruining podcasts?

    Recently Kickstarter was discussed in the Boardgame Geek website. As most BGG discussion, it was heated and it was intense. This time some people were claiming that Kickstarter is ruining podcasts because we only talk Kickstarter things these days.

    It transpires that some people dont like Kickstarter, regardless of podcasts or no podcasts involved. And it seems that those people are placing some weight on us, the podcasters, because it seems that, by giving airtime to Kickstarter projects, we are helping bring on the demise of the board-games industry.

    So Doctor Reddy, aka the brains of the podcast and I, aka the beauty of the podcast, decided to spend a few minutes discussing our approach and our perceptions of Kickstarter and the influence in the gaming world.

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    10 years ago, were bank loans ruining podcasts?

    Podcasts are talking about new gaming stuff, surely? If a lot of new gaming stuff is being funded via bank loans (as they were 10 years ago) or Kickstarter (as they are now), why does that matter?

    Maybe just don't mention that this cool new book/game is benig funded via Kickstarter if the very word inflames the listeners so much. Just tell 'em book X is coming soon, like everyone always used to.

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    Oh, I agree. I can't see any problem with the way games are funded. Kickstarter has given a lot of companies a shot in the arm that was much needed.

    What the thread claimed is that podcasts that cover too many Kickstarter projects are hurting the industry because it's all about the hype and then people can get disappointed with the game, thus losing confidence in both the gaming industry and the podcasts as well.
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    I listen to 8 podcasts regularly concerning different interests, and I've only heard KS mentioned in passing, if at all. So no, I doubt this general statement is true.

    I'm guessing you're right that some people just don't like KS and any mention of it is a bad thing for them.

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    Kickstarter has enjoyed major successes recently which have gotten a lot of popularity, which has increased Kickstarters popularity, so naturally people talk more about it. I still don't see it being all that in your face as its detractors are claiming, but I guess when you constantly look for something you keep seeing it.

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    It's a fad and you know how fads are.

    Of course, there is a chance that Kickstarter will change the landscape somewhat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leviatham View Post

    What the thread claimed is that podcasts that cover too many Kickstarter projects are hurting the industry because it's all about the hype and then people can get disappointed with the game, thus losing confidence in both the gaming industry and the podcasts as well.
    When is an upcoming product not all about the hype?

    I think maybe these people object to marketing, not funding methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
    When is an upcoming product not all about the hype?

    I think maybe these people object to marketing, not funding methods.

    Indeed. In a way, Kickstarter puts a lot of small providers on an equal footing with larger entities in that it allows for the pre-release attention the small providers (who might only put out one or two things a year) would love to have and that big entities have built into their marketing with every release. So, it turns out that Kickstarter is not simply a funding source but a marketing program. Folks who want to be cautious about new products can still wait for the actual product release and for some reviews to come out. Perhaps they don't trust themselves to not succumb to the marketing? In any event, there are so many podcasts and video shows and blogs on gaming at this point, it is worthwhile for there to be more light shed on products in the many pipelines so they all have something to kick about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
    When is an upcoming product not all about the hype?

    I think maybe these people object to marketing, not funding methods.
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    Indeed. In a way, Kickstarter puts a lot of small providers on an equal footing with larger entities in that it allows for the pre-release attention the small providers (who might only put out one or two things a year) would love to have and that big entities have built into their marketing with every release. So, it turns out that Kickstarter is not simply a funding source but a marketing program. Folks who want to be cautious about new products can still wait for the actual product release and for some reviews to come out. Perhaps they don't trust themselves to not succumb to the marketing? In any event, there are so many podcasts and video shows and blogs on gaming at this point, it is worthwhile for there to be more light shed on products in the many pipelines so they all have something to kick about.
    I think you're both right here. First because it was some sort of novelty and now because it is a well followed platform, Kickstarter is a really good way to market your product, even if you don't really need the funding to launch it.

    And Morrus is totally right, an upcoming product is all about the hype, whether it is a game or a new type of toilet paper.

    Worth pointing out, though, that the thread I referred to is all about boardgames, not RPGs, and it seems that the boardgames crowd is a lot less permissive of change than we are.

    Without having done any research and purely based on that thread and this one, it seems that the way Kickstarter is shaking the way boardgames are being produced and people are not used to that sort of change. Although boardgames are becoming mainstream (and it's a matter of a little time before they go mainstream full time) the funding, production methods and channels have remained pretty much unchanged until Kickstarter came into the scene.

    Now one doesn't have to have a massively deep pocket to get something off the ground. The same person doesn't have to go the publishers. And that same person can ship the games.

    The RPG industry has been doing that for yonks and we are in a much direr state than the boardgames industry, so for us Kickstarter is a welcome sight and full of potential, whereas for boardgames it threatens a lot of their models.

    There is something else, and this is just me being cynical, so take it with a pinch of salt: I think boardgamers are annoyed that they get left behind.

    If a game comes out in Kickstarter with a rather limited print-run, it happens to be a good game and then people can't get hold of it, they feel left behind.

    Of course, this also happened before Kickstarter, but because it was a lot more difficult to hear about the game, you didn't care about what you didn't know. I'm sure no one complains that they can buy Alien Frontiers, Sunrise City or Fleet now that they're everywhere, even if they came from Kickstarter projects.

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    Kickstarter is a problem because of all the spam in generates. Once someone signs up, there is a perverse incentive to generate spam at other centers of online communication in hopes of personal gain through increased pledge goals.

    What ticks me off is when a kickstarter actively encourages it's backers to spam boards they are part of.

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