You may be able to move to Mars

Umbran

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Obviously. I wasn't even hinting that I thought pioneering was comfortable or easy. At least not deliberately. Even so, this is more like settling in the Antarctic than it is like settling in America.

A bit. But remember, the original settlers of the Americas didn't have power tools, or antibiotics. The entire Roanoke colony disappeared. 45 out of the 102 Plymouth Colonists died in the first winter.

So, in a sense, I figure it evens out. The conditions on Mars are more harsh, but we have better tools.
 

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Janx

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The problem is that you'd have to be "jack of all trades, master of none." For each of those, you're nowhere near the level of competence of a master of that field. Modern society calls for high-performing specialists, while pioneer work calls for broad but low-level competence.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure your training in Space Dentistry won't qualify you to actually practice here on Earth. So you'll have a ton of skills, but none of them that you can legally use on earth where liability would get you in trouble.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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A bit. But remember, the original settlers of the Americas didn't have power tools, or antibiotics. The entire Roanoke colony disappeared. 45 out of the 102 Plymouth Colonists died in the first winter.

So, in a sense, I figure it evens out. The conditions on Mars are more harsh, but we have better tools.

You've made the America comparison earlier; I just can't agree with you. This is a hundred times harder even taking into account newer tech. There's no *air* ferchrissake! For all the hardships that America may have had a few hundred tears ago, it did have plentiful flowing water, wood, food, vegetation, air.

Like I said, it's like Antarctica - but nowhere near as pleasant, lacking the water and air to be found down there. And civilisations ain't exactly springing up down there, for good reason! We have camps and settlements, but people can leave via helicopter and have stuff flown to them easily - there's no leaving Mars.
 

Janx

Hero
You've made the America comparison earlier; I just can't agree with you. This is a hundred times harder even taking into account newer tech. There's no *air* ferchrissake! For all the hardships that America may have had a few hundred tears ago, it did have plentiful flowing water, wood, food, vegetation, air.

Like I said, it's like Antarctica - but nowhere near as pleasant, lacking the water and air to be found down there. And civilisations ain't exactly springing up down there, for good reason! We have camps and settlements, but people can leave via helicopter and have stuff flown to them easily - there's no leaving Mars.

I agree with Morrus here. It's why I mentioned that here on earth, I can be dropped off with an Axe and a knife and be just fine. I can forage for foood, make weapons or traps to kill food, or tools to farm. I can build a shelter quite easily with an axe.

All with relatively cheap and primitive implements. the probability of an equipment failure is minimal, and I may be able to do without them if they did break.

In space, there is no food or air but that which you bring with you. You can't forage for it on Mars. Lose your supply, and you are hosed.

If your processing gear for air/water/whatever breaks, if you don't have a spare part or supplies, you can't do without or fix it with local materials. There's no plants or animals to make duct-tape out of.

This is hyperbole, but I'd say it's an order of magnitude more dangerous than colonizing any place on earth.

In antarctica, odds are good you aren't losing your parka. You can melt and eat snow. You can eat a penguin. And you can sort of sail back home.

Granted, under sea living or antarctica is the most dangerous places on earth, there's still a few more escape clauses and options there, than you'll have on Mars.
 



Morrus

Well, that was fun
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Joking aside and speculation aside, the link in the OP feels like a Ponzi scheme to me. The technical hurdles remain too high and profits too low.

The technical hurdles aren't that high - with $6bn it can be done, and tha sort of money is obtainable. As Umbran pointed out, there are individuals who can afford that, not to mention corporations.

As for the profits - that's tied up in those media rights. It'd be the biggest reality show the world has ever seen. Narrowing down the applicants, training them, launching them, over a period of 8 years. It would be a global show, with viewership in the hundreds of millions, and make American Idol look like chump change. People texting in opinions and votes (about non-critical things). Hell, the launch itself would have billions of viewers. What do they charge for Superbowl ad spots? Multiply that by ten.

Handled right, that 6bn will be nothing compared to the long term profits. The greatest adventure the world has ever seen - live!

And *then* they'll make movies about it. And sell books. And posters, and toys.
 

Bullgrit

Adventurer
There are numerous people here on Earth with truly no work skills who end up earning far more money than anyone on this site makes with multiple degrees and decades of experience. Jack of many trades, master of none in this venture could be far more lucrative than a master of any trade.

Bullgrit
 


Janx

Hero
The technical hurdles aren't that high - with $6bn it can be done, and tha sort of money is obtainable. As Umbran pointed out, there are individuals who can afford that, not to mention corporations.

As for the profits - that's tied up in those media rights. It'd be the biggest reality show the world has ever seen. Narrowing down the applicants, training them, launching them, over a period of 8 years. It would be a global show, with viewership in the hundreds of millions, and make American Idol look like chump change. People texting in opinions and votes (about non-critical things). Hell, the launch itself would have billions of viewers. What do they charge for Superbowl ad spots? Multiply that by ten.

I suspect they could raise the money to launch it. The problem is when the Mars crew gets old and interest wanes. It'll be Fox TV syndrome, not enough young people being pretty, having sex and being successful, so Firefly gets canceled. Instead, it'll be, "Umbran, you're too old. it's time for you to exit the airlock. The viewers have decided."
 

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