Pathfinder 1E Tome of Horrors 4

Grazzt · Apr 1, 2013

Jester Canuck said:
It sounds cool, but with the ToH Complete and three bestiaries I have more monsters than I need.

No such thing my friend. Can never have too many monsters.

ggeilman · Apr 1, 2013

Never can have enough monsters that Scott has anything to do with! Presuming I have any money after all the kickstarters I will be ordering! If not I will get it later when I do. So have they made you a Frog yet?

Jadeite · Apr 1, 2013

Grazzt said:
For the Creature Catalog? For Pathfinder? That would be cool.

How about announcing Creature Collection Complete?

freyar · Apr 3, 2013

ggeilman said:
Thanks for the link reminder. The only issue with it anymore is that they are not for Pathfinder. Perhaps they could start doing Pathfinder conversions for it?

Alzrius said:
I know; hence why I said "those that are already under the OGL and were just overlooked."

Grazzt said:
For the Creature Catalog? For Pathfinder? That would be cool.

It's not 100% clear whether "overlooked" old monsters are covered by the OGL. A long time ago, WotC posted a letter (that I found here on EN World, I think), allowing adventure (and included monster) conversion under the d20 STL and OGL. It is true, however, that some old monsters have been converted since the end of the d20STL under the OGL (not for profit, to my knowledge).

The EN World Creature Catalog, at least as far as I understand, operates under a similar agreement to the one that let Necromancer Games produce the first ToH. We've assumed that that continues, and I assume Grazzt may know more about that. The active CC converters decided when Pathfinder was first announced not to convert critters to Pathfinder. It just seemed more considerate.

Thotas · Apr 12, 2013

It needs to have stats for the Giant Mantis Shrimp.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp

Whizbang Dustyboots · Apr 12, 2013

Thotas said:
It needs to have stats for the Giant Mantis Shrimp.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp

Yeah, that cartoon totally read like an over the top late 3E Monster Manual critter to me.

Stormonu · Apr 12, 2013

I feel like I have finally gorged myself on monster books. Is there a list anywhere what's going to be in ToH4?

Nellisir · Apr 14, 2013

freyar said:
It's not 100% clear whether "overlooked" old monsters are covered by the OGL. A long time ago, WotC posted a letter (that I found here on EN World, I think), allowing adventure (and included monster) conversion under the d20 STL and OGL. It is true, however, that some old monsters have been converted since the end of the d20STL under the OGL (not for profit, to my knowledge).

The EN World Creature Catalog, at least as far as I understand, operates under a similar agreement to the one that let Necromancer Games produce the first ToH. We've assumed that that continues, and I assume Grazzt may know more about that. The active CC converters decided when Pathfinder was first announced not to convert critters to Pathfinder. It just seemed more considerate.

I was confused by this as well. Insofar as I knew/know, the only stuff WotC released under the OGL was the SRD, Unearthed Arcana, and the Modern stuff. Earlier editions never fell under the OGL, except ToH1 via special arrangement (which, if older monsters are under the OGL, would not have been necessary). So I'm not clear/wasn't clear how something could be simultaneously "under the OGL" and yet "not updated".

knottyprof · Apr 14, 2013

Nellisir said:
I was confused by this as well. Insofar as I knew/know, the only stuff WotC released under the OGL was the SRD, Unearthed Arcana, and the Modern stuff. Earlier editions never fell under the OGL, except ToH1 via special arrangement (which, if older monsters are under the OGL, would not have been necessary). So I'm not clear/wasn't clear how something could be simultaneously "under the OGL" and yet "not updated".

Did Pathfinder get the same deal then because it seemed to me that the Bestiary 2 and 3 had monsters that were included in the Tome of Horrors Complete (Pathfinder version)? Examples include the Atomie, Blindheim, and Caryatid Column. I believe some of the repeated monsters originally appeared in the Pathfinder Classic (Monsters) Revisited then were copied over into the Bestiaries but it still seems that Pathfinder took the liberty to create their own versions of these monsters that appeared prior to or in the 3rd WotC edition of D&D.

Nellisir · Apr 14, 2013

knottyprof said:
Did Pathfinder get the same deal then because it seemed to me that the Bestiary 2 and 3 had monsters that were included in the Tome of Horrors Complete (Pathfinder version)? Examples include the Atomie, Blindheim, and Caryatid Column. I believe some of the repeated monsters originally appeared in the Pathfinder Classic (Monsters) Revisited then were copied over into the Bestiaries but it still seems that Pathfinder took the liberty to create their own versions of these monsters that appeared prior to or in the 3rd WotC edition of D&D.

I don't have the PF Bestiaries, so I can't be sure and wouldn't want to speculate too much. I doubt Paizo made a special arrangement. They might have just gone ahead and done it, or they might have based their version off of the ToH versions.