Star Wars & Savage Worlds

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amerigoV

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Have you asked over on the PEG forums? You'll probably get better replies, though [MENTION=6700109]Zadmar[/MENTION] and [MENTION=26651]amerigoV[/MENTION] might have something to throw into the ring as well.......

There are a number of conversions available. Personally, I would just do:

SciFi Companion (basically for gear and vehicles) - although some of the conversions have done that work Pre-SciFi companion that probably work just as well. I would keep armor levels low to tie in well with the movies (vs. having everything with a high toughness and high AP).

For Jedi - Psionics + the Adept Edge from the Fantasy Companion* gets you there if you want to "everyone on a level playing field" type of game.

* You will find Adept in the Deluxe, but it was revised to better tie in with Martial Artist, which is not what is needed here. With some minor thought on the originally worded edge, it makes a great Jedi Knight edge (you can bring up powers like Deflection, Speed, and Boost Trait as free actions). There is a "psi knight" in the back of the book - just add that edge and it really does get you there.

The other approach is to do the new SuperPowers companion. That makes all the PCs head and shoulders above everyone else (even at low power levels), which does tie pretty well with the movies. It does keep the PCs on the same power level as well.
 

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Scrivener of Doom

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Thanks, @amerigoV, that list was perfect for putting me on the right track. I have all of the books you mentioned.

Here is the link to a number of Star Wars conversions

http://www.savageheroes.com/othermedia.htm

Thanks - I have all these and a few more. The joy of Google! :)

Star Worlds and Savage Wars sound like they would go together like chocolate and peanut butter!

I'm not American so what you described simply makes me want to regurgitate the contents of my stomach while simultaneously voiding my bowels.

I will assume you otherwise meant it as a good thing. ;)
 

innerdude

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I'm not American so what you described simply makes me want to regurgitate the contents of my stomach while simultaneously voiding my bowels.

I will assume you otherwise meant it as a good thing. ;)

Oh, [MENTION=87576]Scrivener of Doom[/MENTION] ....... chocolate + peanut butter is nectar of the gods....... ;)
 

innerdude

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Hey serious question for you [MENTION=26651]amerigoV[/MENTION] ---- In your opinion what would be the best way to do an X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter dog fight in Savage Worlds?

Would it just be a vehicle chase scene? Would you actually battle map it out as a standard combat encounter, using relative distances and speeds, and the vehicle "climb" stats?
 

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amerigoV

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Hey serious question for you [MENTION=26651]amerigoV[/MENTION] ---- In your opinion what would be the best way to do an X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter dog fight in Savage Worlds?

Would it just be a vehicle chase scene? Would you actually battle map it out as a standard combat encounter, using relative distances and speeds, and the vehicle "climb" stats?

I have rarely used pure tabletop rules for vehicle fights. I would use the chase rules - they were re-written with dogflights in mind from SWEX. I will admit I am not 100% happy with the Chase rules - so much depends on the card you draw. I did a Slipstream one-shot where the BBEG drew 5 - 6 cards getting a King or Ace twice and LOST both times to a Joker by the PCs (granted they drew like 3-4 each time as well). On one hand, it was awesome for the players, but I could imagine the howls if that situation had been reversed.

One maneuver for these types of scenes that I think is implied in the rules is a "Wingman" maneuver. One fighter is primary. Another fighter does their piloting as an assist to the primary. They both go on the same resulting cards. It has a nice feel to it and can be used for "protection" runs as well (shuttle is primary and the fighters have a choice of going on their own or assisting the shuttle, as an example).
 

Scrivener of Doom

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Oh, [MENTION=87576]Scrivener of Doom[/MENTION] ....... chocolate + peanut butter is nectar of the gods....... ;)

Clearly your gods are foul demons from some abyssal pit.

I have it: you worship JUIBLEX! :)

I have rarely used pure tabletop rules for vehicle fights. I would use the chase rules - they were re-written with dogflights in mind from SWEX. I will admit I am not 100% happy with the Chase rules - so much depends on the card you draw. I did a Slipstream one-shot where the BBEG drew 5 - 6 cards getting a King or Ace twice and LOST both times to a Joker by the PCs (granted they drew like 3-4 each time as well). On one hand, it was awesome for the players, but I could imagine the howls if that situation had been reversed.

One maneuver for these types of scenes that I think is implied in the rules is a "Wingman" maneuver. One fighter is primary. Another fighter does their piloting as an assist to the primary. They both go on the same resulting cards. It has a nice feel to it and can be used for "protection" runs as well (shuttle is primary and the fighters have a choice of going on their own or assisting the shuttle, as an example).

Great question, [MENTION=85870]innerdude[/MENTION], and excellent response, [MENTION=26651]amerigoV[/MENTION]. I definitely need to refresh my knowledge of the chase rules. I must admit - and I haven't asked my prospective players about this in detail yet - that I am actually inclined to minimise the role played by space combat even though it is Star Wars. I'm just wondering how to keep everyone engaged in such combat, and also avoiding the potential TPK when a ship is destroyed. (Not that I have anything against TPKs, but I am not a fan when one or more of the PCs may not be participating in the combat.)

Anyway, thanks for the comments because they are pointing me in a productive direction.
 

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amerigoV

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Clearly your gods are foul demons from some abyssal pit.

I have it: you worship JUIBLEX! :)



Great question, [MENTION=85870]innerdude[/MENTION], and excellent response, [MENTION=26651]amerigoV[/MENTION]. I definitely need to refresh my knowledge of the chase rules. I must admit - and I haven't asked my prospective players about this in detail yet - that I am actually inclined to minimise the role played by space combat even though it is Star Wars. I'm just wondering how to keep everyone engaged in such combat, and also avoiding the potential TPK when a ship is destroyed. (Not that I have anything against TPKs, but I am not a fan when one or more of the PCs may not be participating in the combat.)

Anyway, thanks for the comments because they are pointing me in a productive direction.

Ok, you guys need to stop. I am just being a player in my group right now you two are geeking me up to run Star Wars :)

I presume then you are doing a Firefly/Star Wars Rebels type of game (group on a small ship, dealing with the oppression of the Empire, other fun stuff). I would build that into my game. Star Wars is action and pulp at its core, and chase scenes are a staple of such fare. There are two things in Star Wars movies - running space battles and people losing a hand to a light saber. And its the former Disney is putting in their trailers for Eps 7 :)

As GM, you just need to outline the roles and let the players know this will be a staple of the game. Then the players can decide how to fill those roles. I see up to 4-5 roles, some of which can be combined depending on group size. Plus, this will keep them from rolling up 5 bounty hunters (murderhobos in space!).

  • Pilot - Ace and high Piloting a must
  • Gunner - you will have a couple of Jayne's in your crew - they are naturals for this. Backup skill: Repair - if the guns get hit, you can have them do multi-action to Repair/Shoot in a round (squeeze a couple of more shots out of the gun, but it will need a real repair/replace after the battle)
  • Navigator. Key skill Knowledge (Navigation). Secondary: Piloting/Knowledge (Engineering)/Repair. See below on this key role
  • Engineer - keeps the ship running. Knowledge (Engineering) & Repair. Secondary would be Navigation and Piloting. The player that likes to support other players/PCs is ideal for this role.

Lets take the original Falcon vs. Tie Fighters chase in Episode 4. Here is how I would run it.

Tell the players they have 5 Chase rounds to get out of there. After the 5th round, the Ties will have shepherd their ship back to the ISD, which will blow out their engines and tractor beam them in. The ISD is treated as an Obstacle, not a combatant.

  • Pilot's role is obviously. Get high cards to keep the ties off of them and put the gunners in a good position to shoot. Obstacles in this case would be fire from the ISD, or running into the ISD! So the damage is from batteries of the ship or physical damage. Otherwise, the fire from the ISD inflicts a general -2 to piloting roles to avoid
  • Gunners role is obvious
  • Navigator is the key to the scenario. They are doing a dramatic task to get the Hyperspace coordinates in. Normally that would just be a single roll, but here there is pressure and just making an obvious route will have the Empire on them (tracking the jump). I am never sure of the rule on this, but I never let multiple raises work in a DT (so the most you can get is 2 successes in a round, and the fastest you can win is 3 rounds). This determines how long the chase lasts! So if the DT is done in 3 rounds, the PCs escape then. If the Nav blows it or does not get 5 successes in 5 rounds ("oops, I just shut down the Hyperdrive") the GM needs alternatives (hide in the cargo, captured, convenient asteroid field, etc). Finally, I would reward excess Raises with difficulty in the Empire figuring out where they went. If they just get the 5 successes, then the party can expect the Empire will be on their trail pretty soon. If they got 8 successes (3 extra Raises), then they have created quite a false trail for the Empire to scurry down.
  • The Engineer has a couple of roles. The primary is Shields. I would use TAG's Tales of the Space Lane's Rules for shields and use Know(Eng) to run them. I like them because they are akin to Bennies (vs. the hit point approach that SFC did) and it gives the player choices (basically use them as Deflection/Armor/Soak). That keeps the player engaged. I would also allow them to keep things running just for the fight. Maybe do their own DT to keep something running for the scene (the ship still needs repair, but the Engines stay on line :)) or just a repair role each round to nullify one Wound penalty for the pilot's rolls.

Over time, you can also do what TAG does in their chases - assign specific effects to drawing a Club. If the Navigator draws a 2 of clubs, the Hyperdrive malfunctioned and the Engineer has to make Repair at -4 to get it working again. You can build up a library of these over time. The Engineer can Assist the pilot or the Navigator in rounds they are not needed, or even they can do the Repair on a bad gun to keep it firing. In battles without Hyperspace, the Navigator helps others - assist with piloting roles or shields, etc.

To address your one other point - there is no reason for a TPK if the PCs lose. It should be the ship is disabled. You should always have a back up plan. Star Wars is pulp, and it is a pulp tradition that the PCs will get capture and make an escape. Sometimes in Pulp you plan the capture, but its even better if it happens naturally.

Anyway, enough of my rambling. I hope you have a blast with the game!
 
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Scrivener of Doom

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I really want to give you a billion XP for that post, [MENTION=26651]amerigoV[/MENTION]. That's simply brilliant. I am tempted to go back to the first post and simply replace it with your post as a quote as a perfect example of how to use SW to run SW. (Even the acronyms match!)
 

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