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5 out of 5 rating for Starfinder Core Rulebook
Ring Side Report- RPG Review of Starfinder
Originally posted at www.throatpunchgames.com, a new idea everyday!
Product- Starfinder Core Rulebook
System-Starfinder
Producer-Paizo
Price- $60.00 here http://paizo.com/store/starfinder
TL; DR-DND 3.5 IN SPACE! 94%
Basics-SPACE WIZARDS! Starfinder joins the Pathfinder universe in the future after a massive, mysterious catastrophe. Mankind’s homeworld has disappeared, and other races have joined us as we explore the cosmos looking for new peoples, places and our lost world. Let’s break this down.
Base System- This honestly is Pathfinder 1.5. It’s a little bit DnD 5e, a little bit DnD 3.5, and oddly enough DnD 4! The basics don’t change. Everything is roll a d20, add your ability modifier, then add your ranks in a skill or base attack bonus. If you want to hop into a Starfinder game but don’t have any experience, you can easily get into this game with about three minutes of reading the rules.
Combat- If you know Pathfinder combat, you know Starfinder combat. Characters still roll initiative to find who goes first, then when they attack they still have a base attack bonus and add damage based on stats like before. But there are two major differences, and those deal with hit points and armor. For hit points, a character now has three pools to draw from: hit points, stamina points, and resolve points. Hit points are the same pool of life we all know and love. They are healed by magic and time. Stamina points are new, and they represent you getting banged up but not broken. When you rest, you can spend a resolve points to completely heal up your stamina points. Resolve points are also spent when a character is knocked out and they want to wake up or stabilize. However, you can’t regain stamina points through the standard mystic cure (the not cure wounds or cure minor wounds of this edition). Armor class is also slightly modified. Now you have two armor classes: elemental armor class (eac) and kinetic armor class (kac). If the damage has slashing, piercing, or bludgeoning damage types, alongside anything else, the attack goes against kac, otherwise it's against eac. Done! It’s just that simple. This also causes a reduction in rules, as now all combat maneuvers go against kac instead of having to figure out combat maneuver defence, and honestly, it’s a good trade off!
Technology-This is hands down my favorite part of what changed between Pathfinder and Starfinder-ITEMS HAVE LEVELS! This doesn’t seem like a big deal, but now technology and magic can compete on an equal footing. In most magic heavy games as soon as the wizard learns fireball, any alchemical/technological items are instantly useless. Technology in those games seems like a crutch to get to level five and FIREBALL! Here, you have your fireball, but I have my level 7 grenade. Its damage values increase and so does the DC to dodge the attack. Instead of having to guess about what the DC of an item identify check would be, now you can just do extremely simple math on an item's level and have a DC in seconds. Everything has a level which corresponds to a price, which corresponds to DC and a whole host of other things that make the system work. Outstanding.
Magic-And here is the low point of the system. Magic now caps out at level 6. The save against magic is spell level + ability modifier + 10, so it maxes out at 16+ ability. The save against character powers is half character level + ability modifier + 10, so it maxes out at 20+ ability. I’m going to be honest and say this feels wrong somehow. The system works, but it's different in a way that you might not like on first trying it, akin to a fine wine. It’s good, but might not necessarily be the tasty thing you hoped for on the first pass.
Spaceship and Vehicle Combat-This is the new, big thing of this system as running around in a vehicle is essential to Sci-fi. Vehicle combat isn’t hard, but it mostly works by using zones where characters move between using their speed values. Overall, its an easy system to use. Spaceships are much more involved, but no less easy to use. BUT, THIS ASPECT OF THE GAME ADDS FACING TO AN RPG! That is a sentence the fills me with dread as now I have to spend HOURS fighting over how defenses work on different sides. However, this system fixes most of that and simplifies it well. Ships do have facing arcs for weapons and for shields, but it's pretty simple. Combat rounds are broken down into three steps: engineering (science scans/moves shields, engineering fixes stuff/supercharges stations), helm (pilots make checks and loser goes first), gunnery (ships shoot at one another). Honestly, it’s pretty easy to do, and since there are lots of different things to do, EVERYBODY gets to roll dice during a turn from the captain who can yell or ask nicely for another crewmember to do better/get a bonus to gunners lighting up the other ship.
Review Time!
Mechanics or Crunch-Starfinder is a damn good system, but it’s going to suffer a bit because it gets compared to Pathfinder. If Starfinder came first, then it would not be an issue. There are things here like the magic DC compared to item and class DCs that are just a half bubble off. It works, but it's not as clean as Pathfinder. Magic seems much less powerful as well. That might be a style choice, but it's a style I don’t enjoy as much right now. Maybe after playing this game much more, I’ll see the light, but now, I’m having fun but also confused on some choices. Also, this book needs a solid chapter describing the differences between Pathfinder and Starfinder to get experienced players up and running in minutes. Small things like shooting into melee doesn't have penalties, but attack of opportunity to shooting in melee still occur are important and need to be explicitly told to the players. Overall, this is a solid RPG and system, but I want just a bit more in their already massive tome. 4.25/5
Theme or Fluff-PATHFINDER IN SPACE,.... but it’s not! It would be really easy for this book to phone in dwarves on a mountain planet schtick and call it a day, but this one has races where your puberty now encompases choosing to grow up super smart or super strong, insects who are addicted to individuality as a community, and even a fleet of undead that are disavowed from the other undead because they are too evil. The book does have your old races, but they take a back seat to new ones who now are exploring the galaxy alongside mankind. It’s got a mix of old magic from Pathfinder, the technology feel of Star Trek, and its own universe to draw you in. 5/5
Execution-Look, this book was put out by Paizo. You can say that some of their books might not have been the best, but it's hard to argue that they don’t put out a quality constructed book. Lots of awesome art, diagrams to walk you through, nice text spacing so I don’t hate it when I read it. My only problem is I’d like a bit more in the index, but those are only minor concerns on an otherwise great book. 4.9/5
Summary-Starfinder is an awesome book that has a few minor problems. In terms of execution, it's top notch and a phenomenal resource for how to make other books. The book tells an amazing story that will draw you into the world and give you ideas on what stories to tell and what characters to put in it. My one place where I am slightly put off is the mechanics. This isn’t to say the mechanics are wrong, but they don’t feel completely right. That’s a minor difference, but it's an important one. I will happily sit down and play a Starfinder game, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the next major source book they announce is something called Ancient Magic that brings back the nine levels of magic from Pathfinder. That said, this book is an amazing addition to the Paizo family of products and one I’m glad to get at GenCon. I can’t wait to have more adventures across the galaxy, stomping space goblin ships and battling reptile wizard people on the moon! 94%
Ring Side Report- RPG Review of Starfinder
Originally posted at www.throatpunchgames.com, a new idea everyday!
Product- Starfinder Core Rulebook
System-Starfinder
Producer-Paizo
Price- $60.00 here http://paizo.com/store/starfinder
TL; DR-DND 3.5 IN SPACE! 94%
Basics-SPACE WIZARDS! Starfinder joins the Pathfinder universe in the future after a massive, mysterious catastrophe. Mankind’s homeworld has disappeared, and other races have joined us as we explore the cosmos looking for new peoples, places and our lost world. Let’s break this down.
Base System- This honestly is Pathfinder 1.5. It’s a little bit DnD 5e, a little bit DnD 3.5, and oddly enough DnD 4! The basics don’t change. Everything is roll a d20, add your ability modifier, then add your ranks in a skill or base attack bonus. If you want to hop into a Starfinder game but don’t have any experience, you can easily get into this game with about three minutes of reading the rules.
Combat- If you know Pathfinder combat, you know Starfinder combat. Characters still roll initiative to find who goes first, then when they attack they still have a base attack bonus and add damage based on stats like before. But there are two major differences, and those deal with hit points and armor. For hit points, a character now has three pools to draw from: hit points, stamina points, and resolve points. Hit points are the same pool of life we all know and love. They are healed by magic and time. Stamina points are new, and they represent you getting banged up but not broken. When you rest, you can spend a resolve points to completely heal up your stamina points. Resolve points are also spent when a character is knocked out and they want to wake up or stabilize. However, you can’t regain stamina points through the standard mystic cure (the not cure wounds or cure minor wounds of this edition). Armor class is also slightly modified. Now you have two armor classes: elemental armor class (eac) and kinetic armor class (kac). If the damage has slashing, piercing, or bludgeoning damage types, alongside anything else, the attack goes against kac, otherwise it's against eac. Done! It’s just that simple. This also causes a reduction in rules, as now all combat maneuvers go against kac instead of having to figure out combat maneuver defence, and honestly, it’s a good trade off!
Technology-This is hands down my favorite part of what changed between Pathfinder and Starfinder-ITEMS HAVE LEVELS! This doesn’t seem like a big deal, but now technology and magic can compete on an equal footing. In most magic heavy games as soon as the wizard learns fireball, any alchemical/technological items are instantly useless. Technology in those games seems like a crutch to get to level five and FIREBALL! Here, you have your fireball, but I have my level 7 grenade. Its damage values increase and so does the DC to dodge the attack. Instead of having to guess about what the DC of an item identify check would be, now you can just do extremely simple math on an item's level and have a DC in seconds. Everything has a level which corresponds to a price, which corresponds to DC and a whole host of other things that make the system work. Outstanding.
Magic-And here is the low point of the system. Magic now caps out at level 6. The save against magic is spell level + ability modifier + 10, so it maxes out at 16+ ability. The save against character powers is half character level + ability modifier + 10, so it maxes out at 20+ ability. I’m going to be honest and say this feels wrong somehow. The system works, but it's different in a way that you might not like on first trying it, akin to a fine wine. It’s good, but might not necessarily be the tasty thing you hoped for on the first pass.
Spaceship and Vehicle Combat-This is the new, big thing of this system as running around in a vehicle is essential to Sci-fi. Vehicle combat isn’t hard, but it mostly works by using zones where characters move between using their speed values. Overall, its an easy system to use. Spaceships are much more involved, but no less easy to use. BUT, THIS ASPECT OF THE GAME ADDS FACING TO AN RPG! That is a sentence the fills me with dread as now I have to spend HOURS fighting over how defenses work on different sides. However, this system fixes most of that and simplifies it well. Ships do have facing arcs for weapons and for shields, but it's pretty simple. Combat rounds are broken down into three steps: engineering (science scans/moves shields, engineering fixes stuff/supercharges stations), helm (pilots make checks and loser goes first), gunnery (ships shoot at one another). Honestly, it’s pretty easy to do, and since there are lots of different things to do, EVERYBODY gets to roll dice during a turn from the captain who can yell or ask nicely for another crewmember to do better/get a bonus to gunners lighting up the other ship.
Review Time!
Mechanics or Crunch-Starfinder is a damn good system, but it’s going to suffer a bit because it gets compared to Pathfinder. If Starfinder came first, then it would not be an issue. There are things here like the magic DC compared to item and class DCs that are just a half bubble off. It works, but it's not as clean as Pathfinder. Magic seems much less powerful as well. That might be a style choice, but it's a style I don’t enjoy as much right now. Maybe after playing this game much more, I’ll see the light, but now, I’m having fun but also confused on some choices. Also, this book needs a solid chapter describing the differences between Pathfinder and Starfinder to get experienced players up and running in minutes. Small things like shooting into melee doesn't have penalties, but attack of opportunity to shooting in melee still occur are important and need to be explicitly told to the players. Overall, this is a solid RPG and system, but I want just a bit more in their already massive tome. 4.25/5
Theme or Fluff-PATHFINDER IN SPACE,.... but it’s not! It would be really easy for this book to phone in dwarves on a mountain planet schtick and call it a day, but this one has races where your puberty now encompases choosing to grow up super smart or super strong, insects who are addicted to individuality as a community, and even a fleet of undead that are disavowed from the other undead because they are too evil. The book does have your old races, but they take a back seat to new ones who now are exploring the galaxy alongside mankind. It’s got a mix of old magic from Pathfinder, the technology feel of Star Trek, and its own universe to draw you in. 5/5
Execution-Look, this book was put out by Paizo. You can say that some of their books might not have been the best, but it's hard to argue that they don’t put out a quality constructed book. Lots of awesome art, diagrams to walk you through, nice text spacing so I don’t hate it when I read it. My only problem is I’d like a bit more in the index, but those are only minor concerns on an otherwise great book. 4.9/5
Summary-Starfinder is an awesome book that has a few minor problems. In terms of execution, it's top notch and a phenomenal resource for how to make other books. The book tells an amazing story that will draw you into the world and give you ideas on what stories to tell and what characters to put in it. My one place where I am slightly put off is the mechanics. This isn’t to say the mechanics are wrong, but they don’t feel completely right. That’s a minor difference, but it's an important one. I will happily sit down and play a Starfinder game, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the next major source book they announce is something called Ancient Magic that brings back the nine levels of magic from Pathfinder. That said, this book is an amazing addition to the Paizo family of products and one I’m glad to get at GenCon. I can’t wait to have more adventures across the galaxy, stomping space goblin ships and battling reptile wizard people on the moon! 94%
Jester David
Hero
3 out of 5 rating for Starfinder Core Rulebook
In some hypothetical reality in the multiverse there is a world where Hasbro decided to just end D&D after 3rd Edition. In this world, Paizo – now having a monopoly on the RPG market – decides to release Starfinder right after Pathfinder, in early 2010. That reality’s Starfinder, would look very similar to our reality’s Starfinder. It’s a game right out of the early 2000s, and taking very little inspiration from the veritable renaissance of new RPGs produced in last ten years. If there was a term like “OSR” or “retroclone” applying to 3.X styles games rather than 1e, that term would apply firmly to Starfinder.
I wouldn’t say that Starfinder is a step backwards. But I don’t think it’s really a step forwards in gaming either. The system is playing this safe, retaining the monster math and keeping the relentless gear treadmill. The one innovation in the game system is Resolve, which ties limited use character abilities to the death mechanic in a way I don’t particularly like. And more often than not, the game defaults to complexity.
I recall a Paizo staff member (I believe it was Jason Bulmahn) discussing the design of Pathfinder with the Know Direction podcast. He mentions how there were a lot of things they could have changed in the rules, and possibly should have changed, but chose not to because when they were launching the product being backwards compatible with 3.5e D&D was a huge selling feature. Similarly, I look at Starfinder and wonder what else they could have changed, had they decided not to make the monster math functionally equivalent to the monster numbers generated waaay back in 2000 for the 3.0 Monster Manual. A middle ground between Pathfinder and 5e…
But snide crabbiness aside, how is Starfinder? I think the complex classes will appeal to fans of character building and optimization, and the crunchy ruleset will continue to entertain fans of that style of roleplaying game. For fans of Pathfinder who need a break from fantasy but not the rules, this is a fun alternative. And for fans of science fantasy or science fiction who can’t handle technobabble of questions about time dilation or foreign diseases, this is a way to have a little space opera without the physics. And the setting itself is fun. And there’s just something unique and different about fighting goblin space raiders in an asteroid belt.
And for fans of Pathfinder who just feel overwhelmed by the options, Starfinder is also a way to get back to a less heavy version of the rules, without having to ban content or place limits on books.
Read my full review here.
In some hypothetical reality in the multiverse there is a world where Hasbro decided to just end D&D after 3rd Edition. In this world, Paizo – now having a monopoly on the RPG market – decides to release Starfinder right after Pathfinder, in early 2010. That reality’s Starfinder, would look very similar to our reality’s Starfinder. It’s a game right out of the early 2000s, and taking very little inspiration from the veritable renaissance of new RPGs produced in last ten years. If there was a term like “OSR” or “retroclone” applying to 3.X styles games rather than 1e, that term would apply firmly to Starfinder.
I wouldn’t say that Starfinder is a step backwards. But I don’t think it’s really a step forwards in gaming either. The system is playing this safe, retaining the monster math and keeping the relentless gear treadmill. The one innovation in the game system is Resolve, which ties limited use character abilities to the death mechanic in a way I don’t particularly like. And more often than not, the game defaults to complexity.
I recall a Paizo staff member (I believe it was Jason Bulmahn) discussing the design of Pathfinder with the Know Direction podcast. He mentions how there were a lot of things they could have changed in the rules, and possibly should have changed, but chose not to because when they were launching the product being backwards compatible with 3.5e D&D was a huge selling feature. Similarly, I look at Starfinder and wonder what else they could have changed, had they decided not to make the monster math functionally equivalent to the monster numbers generated waaay back in 2000 for the 3.0 Monster Manual. A middle ground between Pathfinder and 5e…
But snide crabbiness aside, how is Starfinder? I think the complex classes will appeal to fans of character building and optimization, and the crunchy ruleset will continue to entertain fans of that style of roleplaying game. For fans of Pathfinder who need a break from fantasy but not the rules, this is a fun alternative. And for fans of science fantasy or science fiction who can’t handle technobabble of questions about time dilation or foreign diseases, this is a way to have a little space opera without the physics. And the setting itself is fun. And there’s just something unique and different about fighting goblin space raiders in an asteroid belt.
And for fans of Pathfinder who just feel overwhelmed by the options, Starfinder is also a way to get back to a less heavy version of the rules, without having to ban content or place limits on books.
Read my full review here.
jimtillman
Explorer
5 out of 5 rating for Starfinder Core Rulebook
after reading, playing and running starfinder I can personally say that I love it.
it features more condensed slightly simplified rules that are more elegant in general then pathfinder.
it offers a great selection of classes and races and is a very lovely book with fantastic art.
the new format and design choices make for an easier to read and reference game book as well.
it is worth the full price and the 10>00 pdf is an amazing value if you prefer digital books.,
after reading, playing and running starfinder I can personally say that I love it.
it features more condensed slightly simplified rules that are more elegant in general then pathfinder.
it offers a great selection of classes and races and is a very lovely book with fantastic art.
the new format and design choices make for an easier to read and reference game book as well.
it is worth the full price and the 10>00 pdf is an amazing value if you prefer digital books.,
Lwaxy
Cute but dangerous
4 out of 5 rating for Starfinder Core Rulebook
I'm really going to use this more for other magic-less settings than the now golarion-less PF-universe, so the fact that magics caps out at lvl 6 is largely irrelevant, but when I use it for he intended setting, I will put magic back on track with the rest of the PF-verse. Same with the sudden "only 2 magic items" rule, because somehow the magical fields (no matter what type they are) suddenly interfere with each other. They didn't for ages, so they shouldn't now. Really, for me there aren't many things worse than messing up the inner workings of a world. If you take SF as a standalone totally independent from its PF background, then this of course won't matter.
I love the themes. Themes are core aspects to your PC's background and will give little boosts, much like traits do in PF. There are unfortunately no traits in SF, which you can easily add back in if you feel like it of course. I dislike the "every 5 levels increase 4 ability scores. It is done to balance the PCs out more, as you need to assign them to different abilities, and unless you have 16 or less you can only add one point each. But 4 is just too much in my opinion.But time will tell. There are stamina and resolve points now, and now HP loss officially represents wounds, what many groups do anyway, so this makes me happy. As damage is soaked up by stamina points first, this doesn't mean your PC will keel over from wounds too soon. When your HPs are gone, resolve points come into play. Instead of going into negative HP, you subtract the resolve but you may also spend resolve to regain consciousness.
Equipment has levels. This I can't get my head around yet. This is adding to the WPL issues every game eventually has, but I'll see how it turns out before I form an opinion.
Elimination of the 5ft step and other changes in the action economy also have me unconvinced. I won't get the 5ft step out of my players and myself anyway. All in all,battles have become rather boring, I can't even describe it, you'd need to try for yourself.
It will take major house ruling to make it fully compatible with PF. But even if you don't need compatibility, you will need, at least for now, d20 future books to supplement the lacking vehicles, equipment and starships for now, and substitute the starship rules with something which will actually work. From what we tried out, in higher levels it's all screwed up. Paizo is already working on this I heard, but as of now I wouldn't use it.
Still 4 stars for the artwork, the original content and a little for the promise of more to come.
I'm really going to use this more for other magic-less settings than the now golarion-less PF-universe, so the fact that magics caps out at lvl 6 is largely irrelevant, but when I use it for he intended setting, I will put magic back on track with the rest of the PF-verse. Same with the sudden "only 2 magic items" rule, because somehow the magical fields (no matter what type they are) suddenly interfere with each other. They didn't for ages, so they shouldn't now. Really, for me there aren't many things worse than messing up the inner workings of a world. If you take SF as a standalone totally independent from its PF background, then this of course won't matter.
I love the themes. Themes are core aspects to your PC's background and will give little boosts, much like traits do in PF. There are unfortunately no traits in SF, which you can easily add back in if you feel like it of course. I dislike the "every 5 levels increase 4 ability scores. It is done to balance the PCs out more, as you need to assign them to different abilities, and unless you have 16 or less you can only add one point each. But 4 is just too much in my opinion.But time will tell. There are stamina and resolve points now, and now HP loss officially represents wounds, what many groups do anyway, so this makes me happy. As damage is soaked up by stamina points first, this doesn't mean your PC will keel over from wounds too soon. When your HPs are gone, resolve points come into play. Instead of going into negative HP, you subtract the resolve but you may also spend resolve to regain consciousness.
Equipment has levels. This I can't get my head around yet. This is adding to the WPL issues every game eventually has, but I'll see how it turns out before I form an opinion.
Elimination of the 5ft step and other changes in the action economy also have me unconvinced. I won't get the 5ft step out of my players and myself anyway. All in all,battles have become rather boring, I can't even describe it, you'd need to try for yourself.
It will take major house ruling to make it fully compatible with PF. But even if you don't need compatibility, you will need, at least for now, d20 future books to supplement the lacking vehicles, equipment and starships for now, and substitute the starship rules with something which will actually work. From what we tried out, in higher levels it's all screwed up. Paizo is already working on this I heard, but as of now I wouldn't use it.
Still 4 stars for the artwork, the original content and a little for the promise of more to come.
le grand fromage
Explorer
5 out of 5 rating for Starfinder Core Rulebook
More Saga or Star Wars than Traveller or even Star Trek but infinite in scope and full of potential. Wont set the world alight with innovating rules concept but then easier to pick up for that...
More Saga or Star Wars than Traveller or even Star Trek but infinite in scope and full of potential. Wont set the world alight with innovating rules concept but then easier to pick up for that...
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