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    Who would have thought that Halflings were so unpopular? People like them for Rogues but little else. The reason why is unclear, but maybe people just don't like playing small guys as the Gnome is also quite low down.

    Half Elves, as an uncommon race, are so popular is because their design is overpowered (+2 Cha, +1 to two other Abilities, extra skill, language, elf-ey abilities, etc). Personally, I prefer players not to choose Half Elves unless they have a very good back-story - otherwise I think they are powergaming. They obviously seem an iconic fit for Bards, but when people are preferring their use for Paladins, Warlocks, Sorcerers, etc, I think they could have pruned out some of the inherit bonuses all Half Elves get and toned it down some.

    The Race/Class combo I would highlight as underpowered is the Dragonborn Sorcerer - which seems to have initially been built up as an iconic combination (in the art, and the Dragon-blooded archetype) but just doesn't mesh that well as a combo.

    I can understand the appeal of Humans, but most people I know prefer the Human Variant option which counts out the '+1 on all Abilitiies' argument. I think that Humans are just the easiest to relate to for most players, with the various other races often ending up as stereotypes in play.

    Fighters are also the most basic class, if people choose Champions especially, so again this may be the appeal. Honestly though, my experience has more and more players opting for more exotic choices - Paladins rather than Fighters, etc. However, the broad picture may be different.

    I note that Dwarf Clerics are now more popular than Dwarf Fighters. This reflects that the combo is that potent, and will probably become even more so with the Forge Clerics about to emerge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iserith View Post
    You can add me to the camp that likes simple fighters. I always play Champions and turn my nose up at those other subclasses. Having said that, warlord was my favorite class in D&D 4e. So something is clearly wrong with me.
    The good news is that it's not just because you like warlords. Ummm ... wait ... that didn't come out right.

    But I agree on the simple fighter bit. It was one of my biggest gripes about 4E - that until 4.5 there was no "simple" fighter. Sometimes I just want to sit, roll some dice and make fun of enjoy the company of my friends.
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    ^ - Also a fan of the Fighter (though my preference is Battle Master).
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    It will be interesting to see what the numbers are six months or a year from now. I know when I first created a character I started with something simple just to get the hang of the interface and to see what the character sheet looked like. While my next character may be a champion fighter (or a gnomish dual-rapier wielding paladin Sir Stabs-a-Lot), they were also the first one I built because I had fewer choices as I leveled them up to 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oofta View Post
    The good news is that it's not just because you like warlords. Ummm ... wait ... that didn't come out right.

    But I agree on the simple fighter bit. It was one of my biggest gripes about 4E - that until 4.5 there was no "simple" fighter. Sometimes I just want to sit, roll some dice and make fun of enjoy the company of my friends.
    I think it's back to expectations. I wanted and expected my D&D 4e to be complex. I want and expect my D&D 5e to be simpler. I can play either depending on my mood. I don't need them to mix to be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenmarable View Post
    Not sure if someone else mentioned this, but at a rough estimate (if my off the top of my head math is right), there is about a 9% increase in the numbers due to multiclassing. There's about 109,000 per 100,000 characters. So at least 81% of characters are not multiclass.
    That would be 91%, not 81%. Otherwise your math is correct.
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    Human fighters are the go to beginning character. It feels that we are getting more and more new players. That can account for the uneven distribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoSix View Post
    I imagine it's more implementation, at least for 5e.
    I always got the impression that the Druid was very unpopular in 1e - it was one of the last classes I tried out, myself, and the only thing in the PH I never played at all was the Monk - and the implementation is back closer to the 1e version than ever. Lovely for me, maybe not so much for everyone else.

    There's certainly room for more Circles, though.

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    Who would have thought that Halflings were so unpopular? People like them for Rogues but little else. The reason why is unclear, but maybe people just don't like playing small guys as the Gnome is also quite low down.
    Again, seems to be perenial dislike. The Gnome was the least popular race for a long time - why it was initially dropped from 4e.

    The Race/Class combo I would highlight as underpowered is the Dragonborn Sorcerer - which seems to have initially been built up as an iconic combination
    The Sorcerer in 4e had a 'Dragon Sorcerer' build that was very effective with the Dragonborn race (intuitive, too, I suppose). The 4e Dragonborn was also all over the Paladin class both in stat synergy and flavor text, the race being all honorable and worshipping Bahamut, strongly associeated with pallies in that ed.

    I can understand the appeal of Humans, ...I think that Humans are just the easiest to relate to for most players, with the various other races often ending up as stereotypes in play.
    I agree that's key, yes...

    Fighters are also the most basic class, if people choose Champions especially, so again this may be the appeal.
    They're also the most relatable class, just as human is the most relatable race.
    But, yes, sub-class data would be interesting to see. If it's more about simplicity, the Champion will trounce the BM & EK who will be about equal. If it's more about relatability, the Champion should still come out well ahead, but the BM should trounce the EK.

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    Faulty data - I made dozens of sample characters just to test out the technology. Just because I made a character does not mean I am playing it.

    For those that want to see them in order from most common to least common combination:

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    # Race Class
    4,888 Human Fighter
    3,076 Elf Ranger
    2,744 Elf Wizard
    2,568 Human Wizard
    2,542 Human Rogue
    2,339 Human Cleric
    2,326 Human Paladin
    2,257 Elf Rogue
    2,199 Dwarf Cleric
    2,188 Tiefling Warlock
    2,009 Dwarf Fighter
    1,946 Human Monk
    1,808 Half-Elf Bard
    1,797 Halfling Rogue
    1,779 Elf Druid
    1,729 Goliath Barbarian
    1,715 Human Ranger
    1,714 Human Warlock
    1,709 Half-Orc Barbarian
    1,688 Dragonborn Paladin
    1,454 Human Bard
    1,435 Human Barbarian
    1,401 Half-Elf Warlock
    1,360 Gnome Wizard
    1,349 Elf Monk
    1,335 Dragonborn Fighter
    1,325 Half-Elf Rogue
    1,324 Human Sorcerer
    1,323 Dwarf Barbarian
    1,258 Half-Elf Sorcerer
    1,242 Elf Fighter
    1,062 Tiefling Sorcerer
    1,031 Dragonborn Sorcerer
    996 Human Druid
    976 Half-Orc Fighter
    971 Dwarf Paladin
    921 Elf Cleric
    891 Half-Elf Ranger
    875 Dragonborn Barbarian
    865 Goliath Fighter
    841 Elf Sorcerer
    835 Aarakocra Monk
    817 Half-Elf Paladin
    806 Tiefling Bard
    801 Halfling Bard
    798 Tiefling Rogue
    755 Elf Warlock
    750 Genasi Monk
    651 Elf Bard
    648 Genasi Sorcerer
    646 Half-Elf Fighter
    628 Half-Elf Cleric
    611 Half-Elf Wizard
    600 Gnome Rogue
    584 Dragonborn Warlock
    584 Genasi Druid
    580 Genasi Fighter
    572 Aarakocra Ranger
    558 Genasi Wizard
    551 Halfling Monk
    516 Tiefling Wizard
    516 Half-Elf Druid
    510 Dragonborn Cleric
    495 Genasi Rogue
    492 Elf Paladin
    484 Dwarf Druid
    473 Tiefling Paladin
    459 Genasi Cleric
    457 Dragonborn Monk
    440 Halfling Ranger
    429 Aasimar Paladin
    427 Half-Orc Paladin
    420 Genasi Ranger
    415 Dwarf Ranger
    415 Genasi Warlock
    405 Dwarf Monk
    400 Gnome Bard
    399 Half-Elf Monk
    395 Dwarf Wizard
    394 Dwarf Bard
    389 Goliath Paladin
    388 Genasi Barbarian
    379 Tiefling Fighter
    371 Dragonborn Bard
    362 Dwarf Rogue
    362 Aarakocra Rogue
    355 Dragonborn Ranger
    353 Tiefling Cleric
    352 Genasi Bard
    346 Dragonborn Wizard
    339 Halfling Fighter
    336 Elf Barbarian
    332 Gnome Druid
    326 Goliath Monk
    325 Dragonborn Rogue
    322 Genasi Paladin
    313 Aarakocra Barbarian
    311 Gnome Warlock
    310 Halfling Sorcerer
    309 Tiefling Monk
    309 Dragonborn Druid
    308 Halfling Cleric
    306 Halfling Barbarian
    304 Gnome Cleric
    302 Halfling Druid
    296 Halfling Warlock
    286 Dwarf Warlock
    284 Half-Orc Monk
    281 Tiefling Druid
    279 Aarakocra Bard
    275 Aarakocra Druid
    274 Aasimar Cleric
    273 Aarakocra Fighter
    272 Half-Orc Cleric
    272 Tiefling Ranger
    264 Dwarf Sorcerer
    257 Gnome Fighter
    257 Halfling Wizard
    257 Gnome Sorcerer
    249 Aarakocra Cleric
    245 Half-Orc Ranger
    238 Gnome Ranger
    233 Half-Orc Rogue
    227 Gnome Barbarian
    215 Half-Orc Druid
    212 Half-Orc Warlock
    210 Aasimar Warlock
    207 Halfling Paladin
    203 Aarakocra Warlock
    199 Half-Orc Bard
    198 Tiefling Barbarian
    196 Gnome Monk
    192 Goliath Cleric
    190 Goliath Druid
    187 Goliath Ranger
    181 Aarakocra Wizard
    177 Aarakocra Sorcerer
    174 Aasimar Sorcerer
    153 Half-Elf Barbarian
    151 Gnome Paladin
    149 Aarakocra Paladin
    144 Goliath Bard
    144 Aasimar Bard
    143 Half-Orc Wizard
    139 Goliath Rogue
    136 Goliath Warlock
    126 Half-Orc Sorcerer
    116 Aasimar Fighter
    114 Goliath Sorcerer
    109 Goliath Wizard
    87 Aasimar Monk
    71 Aasimar Rogue
    70 Aasimar Barbarian
    67 Aasimar Wizard
    65 Aasimar Druid
    60 Aasimar Ranger
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    The unpopularity of the sorcerer is surprising to me, but the druid, bard, and monk have long been the most niche classes, with their appeal only for players who have a fairly specific character concept in mind.

    Overall, I'm doubtful that any of these results is a strong indicator about a race or class' mechanical implementation. Echoing what @lowkey13 said early on in the thread, in my experience the majority of players care far less about those kinds of details than we obsessives here at EN World do. The only question is how many of that majority of players are likely to use D&D Beyond.
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