5E Fivethirtyeight Article About D&D Race and Class Combos - Page 7
  1. #61
    The impact of a mere '+1' or '+2' on Ability scores (associated with Prime scores for Classes) tends to make a big indication of which combo to go with. On that basis, you can see how small changes could balance up some of these things.

    Halflings might be chosen for more Class combos if there was more flexibility on Ability bonuses. You could get this by having a greater variety of sub-Races. If there was a sub-Race of Halfling that gave a +1 bonus on Wisdom scores, you might see more Halfling Druids, for example. Likewise, Gnomes used to be considered excellent choices as Bards in previous editions, but because there is no Charisma bonus in this edition, the combo is sub-optimal and so Gnome Bards are practically extinct.

    As I said above, the reason why Half-Elves are so highly rated (as a 'rare' Race) is because they are overpowered. They take the best bits of the Elf, an Extra +2 on Charisma and have the versatility of Humans with a +1 on any two Ability scores following on. That versatility just about makes them best at every combo - which is a problem, I think.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by jgsugden View Post
    Faulty data - I made dozens of sample characters just to test out the technology. Just because I made a character does not mean I am playing it.

    For those that want to see them in order from most common to least common combination:

    List

    #RaceClass
    4,888HumanFighter
    3,076ElfRanger
    2,744ElfWizard
    2,568HumanWizard
    2,542HumanRogue
    2,339HumanCleric
    2,326HumanPaladin
    2,257ElfRogue
    2,199DwarfCleric
    2,188TieflingWarlock
    2,009DwarfFighter
    1,946HumanMonk
    1,808Half-ElfBard
    1,797HalflingRogue
    1,779ElfDruid
    1,729GoliathBarbarian
    1,715HumanRanger
    1,714HumanWarlock
    1,709Half-OrcBarbarian
    1,688DragonbornPaladin
    1,454HumanBard
    1,435HumanBarbarian
    1,401Half-ElfWarlock
    1,360GnomeWizard
    1,349ElfMonk
    1,335DragonbornFighter
    1,325Half-ElfRogue
    1,324HumanSorcerer
    1,323DwarfBarbarian
    1,258Half-ElfSorcerer
    1,242ElfFighter
    1,062TieflingSorcerer
    1,031DragonbornSorcerer
    996HumanDruid
    976Half-OrcFighter
    971DwarfPaladin
    921ElfCleric
    891Half-ElfRanger
    875DragonbornBarbarian
    865GoliathFighter
    841ElfSorcerer
    835AarakocraMonk
    817Half-ElfPaladin
    806TieflingBard
    801HalflingBard
    798TieflingRogue
    755ElfWarlock
    750GenasiMonk
    651ElfBard
    648GenasiSorcerer
    646Half-ElfFighter
    628Half-ElfCleric
    611Half-ElfWizard
    600GnomeRogue
    584DragonbornWarlock
    584GenasiDruid
    580GenasiFighter
    572AarakocraRanger
    558GenasiWizard
    551HalflingMonk
    516TieflingWizard
    516Half-ElfDruid
    510DragonbornCleric
    495GenasiRogue
    492ElfPaladin
    484DwarfDruid
    473TieflingPaladin
    459GenasiCleric
    457DragonbornMonk
    440HalflingRanger
    429AasimarPaladin
    427Half-OrcPaladin
    420GenasiRanger
    415DwarfRanger
    415GenasiWarlock
    405DwarfMonk
    400GnomeBard
    399Half-ElfMonk
    395DwarfWizard
    394DwarfBard
    389GoliathPaladin
    388GenasiBarbarian
    379TieflingFighter
    371DragonbornBard
    362DwarfRogue
    362AarakocraRogue
    355DragonbornRanger
    353TieflingCleric
    352GenasiBard
    346DragonbornWizard
    339HalflingFighter
    336ElfBarbarian
    332GnomeDruid
    326GoliathMonk
    325DragonbornRogue
    322GenasiPaladin
    313AarakocraBarbarian
    311GnomeWarlock
    310HalflingSorcerer
    309TieflingMonk
    309DragonbornDruid
    308HalflingCleric
    306HalflingBarbarian
    304GnomeCleric
    302HalflingDruid
    296HalflingWarlock
    286DwarfWarlock
    284Half-OrcMonk
    281TieflingDruid
    279AarakocraBard
    275AarakocraDruid
    274AasimarCleric
    273AarakocraFighter
    272Half-OrcCleric
    272TieflingRanger
    264DwarfSorcerer
    257GnomeFighter
    257HalflingWizard
    257GnomeSorcerer
    249AarakocraCleric
    245Half-OrcRanger
    238GnomeRanger
    233Half-OrcRogue
    227GnomeBarbarian
    215Half-OrcDruid
    212Half-OrcWarlock
    210AasimarWarlock
    207HalflingPaladin
    203AarakocraWarlock
    199Half-OrcBard
    198TieflingBarbarian
    196GnomeMonk
    192GoliathCleric
    190GoliathDruid
    187GoliathRanger
    181AarakocraWizard
    177AarakocraSorcerer
    174AasimarSorcerer
    153Half-ElfBarbarian
    151GnomePaladin
    149AarakocraPaladin
    144GoliathBard
    144AasimarBard
    143Half-OrcWizard
    139GoliathRogue
    136GoliathWarlock
    126Half-OrcSorcerer
    116AasimarFighter
    114GoliathSorcerer
    109GoliathWizard
    87AasimarMonk
    71AasimarRogue
    70AasimarBarbarian
    67AasimarWizard
    65AasimarDruid
    60AasimarRanger
    The data set is imperfect...but it matches up with what WotC has been saying for years about the spread of preferences, to a tee.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by TrippyHippy View Post
    Half Elves, as an uncommon race, are so popular is because their design is overpowered
    Maybe, but it could also be that a lot of player's like a to choose a race that is relate-able. Half-Elf has that balance that is just fantasy enough and familiar enough.

    I remember playing one in NWN based on 3E when in every case a Human or Elf would have beet better, but gosh darn it, I liked the idea of making "me with pointy ears". I still do.

    So I play Half-Elf Fighters, Barbarians, and Rangers. The +2 to Charisma just gets wasted every time.
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  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Leatherhead View Post
    Aasimar are the rarest of all characters, even more rare than birdmen. Though it doesn't specify if this is the DMG's or the Volo's Guide's take of the race.
    It's the DMG version, as the chart states it only includes the races that are available for free.

  5. #65
    Also, given that both humans and elves are highly rated, people are picking half-elf as an extension of liking humans and elves. Instead of a race onto itself, we might need to consider it as an extension of human/elf popularity in general. It having good stats might very well be an extension of that.
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  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Parmandur View Post
    The data set is imperfect...but it matches up with what WotC has been saying for years about the spread of preferences, to a tee.
    Are those counts for the number of each row? If so, there's a more interesting story here. Off the cuff, that'll work out to about 45k-50k. From that...

    1. We have to eliminate all of the people who downloaded it, played with it, then forgot about it.
    2. We have to eliminate all but one instance for all people who decided to use it to store a bunch of characters they might one day use.
    3. We have to eliminate all but one instance for each person who uses it to track more than one character.

    That would give us the total subscriber account. Which, being *very* generous and assuming people have an average of two characters, is only 25k-ish. An average of three characters means about 17k users, etc.

    Those numbers are *really* bad IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB1 View Post
    I've listed the results as a percentage of the total below for easy of comparison.

    HUMAN 23.1%
    ELF 15.1%
    HALF-ELF 9.6%
    DWARF 8.7%
    DRAGONBORN 7.5%
    TIEFLING 7.0%
    GENASI 5.5%
    HALFLING 5.4%
    HALF-ORC 4.6%
    GNOME 4.2%
    GOLIATH 4.1%
    AARAKOCRA 3.5%
    AASIMAR 1.6%

    FIGHTER 12.7%
    ROGUE 10.4%
    WIZARD 9.0%
    BARBARIAN 8.3%
    CLERIC 8.3%
    RANGER 8.1%
    PALADIN 8.1%
    WARLOCK 8.0%
    MONK 7.2%
    BARD 7.1%
    SORCERER 6.9%
    DRUID 5.8%
    I haven't any interpretation to put on it, but the selection of race looks much more skewed than the selection of class. For class, the ratio between most and least chosen is only a bit more than 2x. For race, it's already 4x between the top and the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JesterOC View Post
    Human fighters are the go to beginning character. It feels that we are getting more and more new players. That can account for the uneven distribution.
    Most traditional fantasy and mythic heroes tend to be what D&D calls fighters. And human. Plus both are some of the most relateable class and races. I seriously doubt that it's merely just new players gravitating towards them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caliban View Post
    Or, alternatively - Variant Human Fighters get the greatest number of ASI's and Feats.
    Yeah, I pointed at that likely, alternate explanation in the post originally, but it got edited out with the jump to the front page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rygar View Post
    Are those counts for the number of each row? ...

    Those numbers are *really* bad IMO.
    No, they're statisics: characters per 100k characters. There aren't 109k characters in DDB, there could be any number, less than 100k (if it were a lot less the numbers'd start looking weird) or more - could be a lot more, even millions.
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