D&D 5E House rule idea for healing to avoid "whack-a-mole"

Uller

Adventurer
You guys really ought to create a Cleric that never casts more than a single heal in any given combat. It should open your eyes to how 5th edition no longer requires a combat medic.

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I have. The game requires some sort of healing whether it's healing potions, healing spells or healing kits. Otherwise, a PC goes down and he's down for 1d4 hours plus a short rest to use HD. That encourages players to ignore time pressures and go rest every time they get a scratch.

I'm looking for a way to encourage players to spend HD before going for the 3rd level cure wounds spell so that the cleric can cast cool spells like Spirit Guardians instead.

As for "deprogramming"...that's just insulting and presumptive. My longest run PC was a 2e dwarf cleric that cast only buff spells on himself. It was characters like him that made the concentration mechanic necessary... :cool:

I would consider the "Healing Surge" variant in the DMG. The think I don't like about it is that it's one more thing to keep track of (and I definitely don't like the regain half your HD on a short rest). My proposal simply allows them to tap their HD with tools they already have available.
 

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Stalker0

Legend
Well, I was more thinking of how old hands need to be "deprogrammed" from thinking just because a Cleric CAN cast a Healing spell doesn't mean he SHOULD.

Therefore I suggest your Cleric does prepare a Healing spell, only he only uses it when he himself deems it necessary, and that the other players help him keep in mind how a spell that kills enemies is often more effective healing anyway - a dead enemy is an enemy inflicting zero damage, after all! 😐

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It is far easier to change a rule than people's thinking....MUCH easier.
 



CapnZapp

Legend
Maybe it was supposed to be - I don't recall it being trumpeted the way 'fast combat' was - but the 'whack-a-mole' issue seems to come up pretty often.
Not focusing the game on in-combat healing is key to fast combats, I would say.

Every action spent healing prolongs combat instead of shortening it. An artificial example makes this abundantly clear: if each action either results in deducting -10 hp from the combined mass of hit points ivolved in a combat, or adds +10 hp to it; taking a healing action takes you two steps away from combat completion, not just one.

Instead of making a net contribution of -10, you contribute +10. That's a difference of 20, or two steps.

Now, I'm not here to prove combat healing is bad, or anything like it. After all, if it's just one side that ever does it (the player characters) the (very) artifical example above doesn't hold up. Not to mention how it can be very fun and satisfying.

But (very) generally speaking, a game can decide to offer much/cheap/fast healing, or it can decide to not do that. The latter decision will generally result in faster combats.

So the key is to offer combat healing in strict moderation.

Of course, the price that game pays is that it no longer supports the "holy trinity" model of game combat; the tank, the damage dealer, and the healer.

But you could argue that D&D doesn't do that anyway (and that it's attempt at it, 4E, wasn't successful, though possibly because of entirely unrelated factors).

Anyway - I feel 5E has succeeded in finding a "feel-good" spot. If you really want combat healing, you can have it (=Life Clerics, and assorted other specialized builds). Otherwise, the game works fine anyway.

Which brings me back to my original point. To anyone feeling their Clerics are forced into spending too much effort on healing others, before you add house-rules, do try out the healer-less party for an adventure or two. Chances are that once your players are weaned off the healing teat, they will come to the same realization me and others have already realized :)

(Then, when players no longer act with some kind of entitlement to continous combat healing coming their way, you can try out the Cleric class again.

Hopefully this results in you having great fun with Clerics that do a lot of stuff. They do heal - when they find that to be a fun or good use of their resources, but not otherwise :)
 

Tony Vargas

Legend
Not focusing the game on in-combat healing is key to fast combats, I would say.
Nod. There's a difference between focusing on it and allowing it to be effective. Fast combat means there'll be some high-volume damage-trading going on over a fairly small number of rounds, and thus small number of random resolutions, small sample-size = higher variance, so an even slightly unlucky PC could go down early and miss virtually the whole fight, or worse, simply be killed outright (unlikely much above 1st level), or worse, start a party-wide death-spiral for want of that character's contributions in the combat. So for campaigns to consist of 6-8 'fast combats' per day, and a couple days per level and hundreds of round in a campaign, without multiple TPKs being inevitable, those combats have to be tuned to being almost trivially easy and/or the party has to have a 'come back' mechanism.

In 5e, obviously, encounter guidelines do err on the side of being 'too easy,' but in D&D in general, in-combat healing/restoring has been that come-back mechanism. 5e in-combat healing is not quite up to the challenge, so players try to use it most efficiently-which means waiting for an ally to drop, then nudging him back to consciousness as a bonus action to take his turn without sacrificing yours. Which, if you do it more than once, becomes whack-a-mole.

As usual, I'm verbose, but ultimately in agreement: fast combat can't mean focusing on healing. But, it must also mean having fairly potent healing available for 'emergencies.' Fast combat can also mean that combats often feel 'too easy,' so challenging-feeling ones may well call for some big in-combat healing.

But (very) generally speaking, a game can decide to offer much/cheap/fast healing, or it can decide to not do that. The latter decision will generally result in faster combats.
Sufficiently fast healing on one side of the combat would be quite compatible with fast combat, if it lets the healer belt out his usual DPR, and keeps his allies belting out theirs, instead of laying on the ground making death saves. ;) Healing Word doesn't quite pull that off this ed, because it's not strong enough, and leaves the healer only a fairly minor single melee attack or meh cantrip with which to chip away at the opposition.

So the key is to offer combat healing in strict moderation.
Like, IDK, 2 healing words / encounter? ;P

Of course, the price that game pays is that it no longer supports the "holy trinity" model of game combat; the tank, the damage dealer, and the healer.
Fast combat as too high a priority does distort the game towards an all-damage-dealer pathology, sure.

But you could argue that D&D doesn't do that anyway (and that it's attempt at it, 4E, wasn't successful, though possibly because of entirely unrelated factors).
That'd be a tough argument. AFAICT, D&D has not only always done that (had meat-shield, DPR, healer, & magic-slingers integrated into a model of combat), it originated it, and video games, CRPGs, & MMOs merely adopted it. (And, yes, 4e did it in a particularly formal, balanced, and clear way that worked more cleanly than in prior or subsequent eds, but was subjected to edition warring.)

Anyway - I feel 5E has succeeded in finding a "feel-good" spot.
Even though you complain about it being 'too easy?'

If you really want combat healing, you can have it (=Life Clerics, and assorted other specialized builds). Otherwise, the game works fine anyway.
There are /4/ classes with significant in-combat healing-others ability, and a 5th that can have a little, and 6th that can heal itself. So, if you really don't want it, you'd have to toss two classes entirely, and willfully avoid knowing/prepping healing spells with 4 more.

Which brings me back to my original point. To anyone feeling their Clerics are forced into spending too much effort on healing others, before you add house-rules, do try out the healer-less party for an adventure or two. Chances are that once your players are weaned off the healing teat, they will come to the same realization me and others have already realized :)
Handy old-school table-policy for healer-less parties: first one to die rolls a cleric.

;)
 

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