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    Quote Originally Posted by jaelis View Post
    It doesn't say "after you finish a long rest." It says (per your quote) "Whenever you finish a long rest..." Whenever you read something like that, it means "at the time that you finish a long rest." On account of that's what whenever means
    To argue a point, what you just said is a very brief window... only a fraction of a second. Considering that it takes a person a few seconds just to roll out of bed, would you have missed the opportunity to pick your spells in that time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by posineg View Post
    To argue a point, what you just said is a very brief window... only a fraction of a second. Considering that it takes a person a few seconds just to roll out of bed, would you have missed the opportunity to pick your spells in that time?
    This really depends on how you run rests. I see the 8 hours long and 1 hour short as the minimums (ignoring elves). In my game, a rest ends when the party engages in activity that is not associated with the given rest. Features that refresh during a specific rest are such that they require an unspecified amount of that time that is greater than a single action. Additionally, since there is not a designated Action for choosing your weapon, there is no context for doing this in combat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by posineg View Post
    To argue a point, what you just said is a very brief window... only a fraction of a second. Considering that it takes a person a few seconds just to roll out of bed, would you have missed the opportunity to pick your spells in that time?
    That's being a bit silly, people use the "whenever" construction all the time without a restriction to an instant.

    "Whenever our team scores, you can sing the touchdown song." That doesn't mean you are supposed to sing for just an instant while the score is made. Neither does it mean that you should sing the song four hours later when you're at home. It means start singing soon after they score, before anything else happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by posineg View Post
    To argue a point, what you just said is a very brief window... only a fraction of a second. Considering that it takes a person a few seconds just to roll out of bed, would you have missed the opportunity to pick your spells in that time?
    Now youre just being intentionally obtuse.

    The language surrounding when spell preparation happens is entirely in out of character terms. Finishing a Long Rest, as your question illustrates, isnt something characters actually do, its a game mechanical term. Characters spend 8 hours sleeping and performing light activity. The book intentionally does not dictate what your character does during those 8 hours, so that you are free to determine for yourself what your characters spell preparation looks like. Does your wizard actually read through his spell book before bed and meditate on the spells he wants to cast the next day while he sleeps? Does your cleric pray to Pelor at sunrise as part of her morning routine? Does your druid let the magic flow freely and take the shape that it wishes, the actual choice of spells being entirely out-of-character? The game doesnt decide those things for you. It just tells at what point you, the player, are allowed to decide which spells your character will have available that day. And that point is, when you complete a Long Rest.
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    Exactly my point!

    If you cannot except that "Whenever you finish a long rest..." is not a fraction of a second, how can you then define the timeframe that it has to be.

    Many DM's will play this as any time after the long rest that works for the group. To define that it has to be the first thing or never is just a load.

    What happens when you have two conditions requiring you to do X "Whenever you finish a long rest..." say multi-class, do you mis out on one of the classes spells training?

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    Quote Originally Posted by posineg View Post
    Exactly my point!

    If you cannot except that "Whenever you finish a long rest..." is not a fraction of a second, how can you then define the timeframe that it has to be.

    Many DM's will play this as any time after the long rest that works for the group. To define that it has to be the first thing or never is just a load.

    What happens when you have two conditions requiring you to do X "Whenever you finish a long rest..." say multi-class, do you mis out on one of the classes spells training?
    What are you going on about?

    "Whenever you finish a long rest" means your character was doing it during the long rest. You (as a player) just don't have to decide what was being prepared/regained/whatever until the long rest is finished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by posineg View Post
    Exactly my point!

    If you cannot except that "Whenever you finish a long rest..." is not a fraction of a second, how can you then define the timeframe that it has to be.
    Using the ordinary rules of English? Come up with a real example of using "whenever..." the way you suggest.

    What happens when you have two conditions requiring you to do X "Whenever you finish a long rest..." say multi-class, do you mis out on one of the classes spells training?
    No. Ordinary English is neither a programming language nor a free-for-all. There are many places in the rules that are ambiguous because of that. But this is not one of them.
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    For Example:

    Cleric:
    You can change your list of prepared spells when you
    finish a long rest. Preparing a new list o f cleric spells
    requires time spent in prayer and meditation: at least 1
    minute per spell level for each spell on your list.

    Druid:
    You can also change your list o f prepared spells when
    you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list o f druid
    spells requires time spent in prayer and meditation: at
    least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.

    I multi-class both classes and I want to change a few spells in each list. Is this possible? When does the "Whenever you finish a long rest..." event happen?

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    @dropbear8mybaby: Here's your answer:

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    You do realise that you're quoting my answer to me, right? In what world is it that necessary to pre-empt me other than to gloat? Or do you think somehow that the dropbear8mybaby in that quote isn't my twitter account?

    Fairly petty if you ask me.

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