D&D 5E Xanathar's Elven Accuracy

Zmajdusa · Nov 17, 2017

Says end of current turn in Xanathar's Guide

mellored · Nov 17, 2017

You forgot true strike.

Also shield master.

EvanNave55 said:
Actually the samurai ability is bonus action activation lasts until the end of your *next* turn. So bonus action at beginning of turn, attack, next turn attack, then it ends. The ability can give you two turns of advantage.

"End of your current turn."

For the math...

60% base
84% with advantage
93.6% with elven accuracy.

So a circumstantial +1.92

Or with sharpshooter and archery style. (can't dex attack with GWM).
45% base.
69.75% advantage
83.3625% with elven accuracy

Or +2.7225.

With a crit rate of...

5% base
9.75% advantage
14.2625% eleven accuracy.

With a d8 die, that's only +0.2 damage. (+0.452 total).
With a 10d6 rogue, crits are +1.6 damage (+5.44 total).

Horwath · Nov 17, 2017

Coroc said:
This is an example of powergaming I like. Samurai were often excellent archers, but these days everyone thinks samurai = katana

katana was the last weapon a samurai would grab on a battlefield.

Bows, then polearm(naginata, nodachi), then if nothing else...a katana.

They were sidearms. Excelent for walks around town/village and splitting an unarmored peasant in two.

Mephista · Nov 17, 2017

If you want to start getting technical and "historically correct" about samurai, samurai was a social class, not a warrior profession. It wasn't until entirely later that the word became synonymous with the bushi. But that way lies insanity. The samurai subclass doesn't reflect being part of nobility or the military - those are backgrounds, respectively, as well as a function of the amount of gold you spend on lifestyle. As it is, samurai subclass is just a style of fighting and a bit of socializing. Nothing more.

For the people saying that the OP's suggested "builds" shouldn't be allowed... I don't get the argument here. The OP basically described two classes working as intended, then adding a racial feat; its not like elven monks or warlocks are exactly rare or unheard of either. Just the opposite, in fact. What's controversial about an elf monk? Or an elven warlock? Heck, darkness and devil's sight is insanely thematic for a drow. Want to say no to the crazy multiclassed crit-fisher, sure. But what about just an open hand monk working as intended? I don't get it.

Cap'n Kobold · Nov 17, 2017

Coroc said:
To understand where I come from is to understand that if someone plays a pally at my table, I expect him to act it out. And no holy knight of lawful goodness would see any point in taking up the job of a guy who steals from other people. Nor would he take up the life of a common soldier, whoring, drinking and gambling to spend their war loot.

Those are really narrow and restrictive ideas of the Paladin, Rogue and Fighter classes you appear to be using.

From what you said, it sort of looks like you require all Paladins to be LG holy knights, all Rogues have to steal from people, and all Fighters to be common, drunken thugs.
What do you tell a player who has a character idea for one of those classes that is outside those?

Coroc · Nov 20, 2017

[MENTION=6802951]Cap'n Kobold[/MENTION] I prefer all PC Pala being of the classic LG type, normally, and i do restrict classes and races and Equipment and such, but the Players know upfront. If one of my Players would ask me for some other class i would ask to give a backstory to why it went that way and how it fits into the campaign. Normally i do not like multiclass, and i do see no reason why dwarfs should be wizards. Drow are Mobs.

My Players have got their own preferences, within their Group they normally agree on no more than 50% of the group not human.
I would not mind more than that but depending on the campaign Setting : for Planescape definitely yes , for Ravenloft definitely no.

In my current greyhawk campaign i do only allow human, halfelf, Gnome, halforc, tiefling (devilbased), and it works out for them.
Pary is human swashbuckler (SCAG), halfvelven fighter, human Paladin and Gnome Illusionist.

mikal768 · Nov 20, 2017

Coroc said:
Of those builds I only would allow 1. at my table eventually 2. cannot analyse at the moment, the third is for my personal taste an absolute munchkin build.

If a pala at my table decides to take rogue as a second class he is in for a check whether he has fallen and lost all his pally powers. Same goes to change to a fighter fighter.

A pally strives to be pure and devoted, it is imho pure minmax powergaming to multiclass a paladin for any other than highly plot/rp justified reasons.

Well then I guess it's a good thing most people don't play at your table then...

One combo I think deserves special mention- The Hexblade Bladelock heavy weapon fighter. You talked about weapon attacks with Warlocks in the darkness, but this should be treated separately I think since it allows the use of heavy weapons and thus GWM with Cha, and thus enables Elven Accuracy, otherwise you are stuck using Dex weapons.

1) Able to use heavy weapons with Hex Warrior as Cha based, thus opening up Elven Accuracy for GWM, Polearm Master attacks, and Sentinel attacks plus increased threat range, or just GWM for Greatsword/Maul attacks.

2) Able to get consistent Advantage thanks to Darkness, Shadow of Moil, and the Specter minion.

Cap'n Kobold · Nov 20, 2017

Coroc said:
[MENTION=6802951]Cap'n Kobold[/MENTION] I prefer all PC Pala being of the classic LG type, normally, and i do restrict classes and races and Equipment and such, but the Players know upfront. If one of my Players would ask me for some other class i would ask to give a backstory to why it went that way and how it fits into the campaign. Normally i do not like multiclass, and i do see no reason why dwarfs should be wizards. Drow are Mobs.

My Players have got their own preferences, within their Group they normally agree on no more than 50% of the group not human.
I would not mind more than that but depending on the campaign Setting : for Planescape definitely yes , for Ravenloft definitely no.

In my current greyhawk campaign i do only allow human, halfelf, Gnome, halforc, tiefling (devilbased), and it works out for them.
Pary is human swashbuckler (SCAG), halfvelven fighter, human Paladin and Gnome Illusionist.

. . . But would you have allowed the swashbuckler if they didn't steal from people? And would you have allowed the half-elf to play a fighter if their concept was a noble knight rather than a common soldier, looting, brawling and suchlike?

Harrumphreys · Nov 20, 2017

mikal768 said:
One combo I think deserves special mention- The Hexblade Bladelock heavy weapon fighter. You talked about weapon attacks with Warlocks in the darkness, but this should be treated separately I think since it allows the use of heavy weapons and thus GWM with Cha, and thus enables Elven Accuracy, otherwise you are stuck using Dex weapons.

1) Able to use heavy weapons with Hex Warrior as Cha based, thus opening up Elven Accuracy for GWM, Polearm Master attacks, and Sentinel attacks plus increased threat range, or just GWM for Greatsword/Maul attacks.

2) Able to get consistent Advantage thanks to Darkness, Shadow of Moil, and the Specter minion.

Don't forget the expanded CRIT range with Hexblade's Curse, allowing for potential Bonus Action attacks with your Greataxe.