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Tuesday, 14th October, 2003, 01:28 AM #1
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
Are your players into your campaign?
Do your players take notes? Do they remember campaign events that happened two, six, twelve months ago? Do they remember NPCs relevant to their backgrounds? Do they have backgrounds, or do they just throw a bunch of stats together and slap a name on it? Do they remember the name of the NPC they're working for? Do they remember why they are on a particular adventure, or why it's a bad idea to throw your weight around with the soldiers of the local lord? Do they establish binding ties with NPCs? Do they run with your adventure hooks, or do you have to beat your players over the head with them? Do they pick up on clues you drop regarding campaign events, or do you sigh in disappointment when your players overlook the clues?
If your answer to any of the above is negative, your players might not be as into your campaign as you'd like them to be. I have run into frustration over the past year with players who just seem to be floating along, unengaged with the story and looking for the next fight/magic item/phat loot. It's a subtle thing too: they roleplay their characters well and have fun, but have no sense of continuity or desire to integrate into the campaign setting, preferring to remain aloof outsiders with no loyalties and all options open. They don't take sides in adventure unless forced to by circumstance or enticed by reward. They monitor their character wealth closely and let me know when they are under wealth for their level according to the DMG.
In short, they are playing the game but not experiencing the campaign. For me this is frustrating, but I grin and bear it. They are, after all, having fun. It would be more fun for me if the players got into the setting more, though. If they pieced together Event A with Event B to realize that, with a little creativity, they can set up Event C how they wish, especially if they get the support of various helpful NPCs.
Are you, as a DM, frustrated by your players' detachment from the setting and story you are trying to put forth?
Tuesday, 14th October, 2003, 01:43 AM #2
Lama (Lvl 13)
As a player some of these things frustrate me. I take notes and I get into the campaign. Some of the other players don't get into it as much as I do. Which is okay because to each their own.
What is frustrating me the most is one of my DMs who encourages journals by giving out XP but does not read them. A lot of work and things go into this and even with the XP reward I have stopped writing them because I feel why bother.
I have a lot of envy when I hear about groups who write journals and really get into their characters. I would love to have a website for the game where we could take care of some non combat issues but I am lucky if we can get the other guys to answer their e-mail about availability.
Tuesday, 14th October, 2003, 02:13 AM #3
Gallant (Lvl 3)
My players were losing interest in my campaign slightly, so I told them to go to hell...
literally. Dante's Inferno makes a great adventure.Be bloody, bold, and resolute! Laugh to scorn The pow'r of man, for none of woman born Shall harm Macbeth
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Tuesday, 14th October, 2003, 03:34 AM #4
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
Originally Posted by Macbeth
I moved to Meridian, Idaho, which is 10 miles away from Boise city limits. There are NO gaming stores anywhere around here, and nobody sells D&D books as far as I can tell. Not even Barnes & Noble or anything. And I don't have any idea how I can find other players here...
Oh, well. That's why I got into online gaming. My current PBEM game has four PCs who have known each other since childhood. They spent at least a month and a half working on their characters before they started. I think from now on I'm going to insist all my players are as into the campaign as those four wonderful players.
I'm too lazy, so will someone please direct me to where on this website I can find out how to use vB code? I want to include above game's story hour link in my signature.'Genshou is the ruler of Genshouland and the creator of one thousand and one house rules; some of them good, some of them mediocre. Genshou likes cheese and root beer (but never together). Genshou is a young man who is always ridiculously cheerful. He has been described as a madman, a potato, and "cuddly".'
Tuesday, 14th October, 2003, 03:40 AM #5
Gallant (Lvl 3)
Actually, my PCs enjoyed it, and at least one called it the best adventure of this campaign so far. I may actually write up this adventure and post it: its just that good (at least according to my players).Be bloody, bold, and resolute! Laugh to scorn The pow'r of man, for none of woman born Shall harm Macbeth
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Tuesday, 14th October, 2003, 03:56 AM #6
This happens in our group all the time.
Actually, It's the reason I will soon be drawing our campaign to a close, and returning to a role as a player.
I may as well have just run them through some dungeon module, and I would have been able to keep all my spare time for myself, instead of creating such a complicated world and campaign.
I know they do appreciate the effort, but really, I think the crux of the issue is they don't put in the effort during a session that I do in order to meet me halfway.
you have my sympathies, hopefully someone has some good advice
BTW, go update your story hour. I was really enjoying it."Put the bits in a bag, and go find the Priest."
Tuesday, 14th October, 2003, 04:00 AM #7
Defender (Lvl 8)
My group is very much like yours. I started a story hour to help players recall what is going on - and we play weekly! Oh well, sounds like you're having fun overall and so are we, but I definitely know what you are talking about.
Tuesday, 14th October, 2003, 09:53 AM #8
Cutpurse (Lvl 5)
Originally Posted by genshou
I grew up in Nampa, about 10 minutes in the other direction. Have you tried Dark Horse Comics? I hope it's still around. It was a really good game store. It's in Boise, but it isn't very far. And if I remember right, they moved closer to the Meridian side. (It used to by within walking distance of the capitol building.) The owner was a great guy and the staff was always helpful. I hope it's still around. I liked that place.
Keep looking. I know there are places that sell DnD books. Of course, I moved away six years ago. But my brother is still there. He plays DnD, and I know he gets his books local.
Wednesday, 15th October, 2003, 07:41 PM #9
Novice (Lvl 1)
Originally Posted by genshou
Hello Genshou. I also live in the area. The Treasure Valley area has a fair amount of gamers, but for some reason they do not interact much. It's more like they are a multitude of isolated groups. I have always had a difficult time finding new groups to be a part of. Fortunately, persistence has paid off for me more often than not. After all this time, though, I have yet to find a consistent method to find other playing groups.
As for stores with RPG products, the selection is narrower than it used to be, mainly for economic reasons, AFAICT. There is a bookstore in downtown Boise called Book & Games (located at 9th & Main) that I recently discovered. I hope it is able to be successful, because it is even open on Sundays, which is unsusual for small downtown businesses. It has a section on RPG products, similar to Dark Horse Games, which is still around (at 23rd & Main). Hobbytown USA in Boise at Cole & Ustick is also available, but they have less of an emphasis on RPG products. Hastings at Cole & Fairview in Boise is something to look at as well, if there is the desire to. All are hit or miss, because product stocking is less than it was in the past (special orders are more common these days). Incidentally, Meridian has a small comics shop which I visit infrequently. Weird but true.
End Momentary "Hijack"
As for the main point of this thread, I have found that this has been basically true for all the years that I have been gaming. People have different expectations and playing styles, and most game so as a form of enjoyable escapism. Part of this includes not having to put too much effort into personal gaming. I can understand and accept this, because we are talking about a social/leisure activity made by chioce. Note that this belief is based on my personal gaming experiences and interacting with others, and not that this is indded true for nearly everyone. I happen to think it's the most popular truism, so to speak, but I could be wrong.
The following is a comment directed at no one in particular, and is based on my own experiences again. I would be very careful at trying to have players act in certain ways about specific things that matter to you as a gm. This is mainly because not every player fits one mold, which, IMO, is a good thing. If one is interested in having players share the same, or nearly so, interest in what you favor, then an effort needs to made to find the players, not alter or change the current ones for one's purpose alone. I know the gm typically puts in a good deal of time and effort into a campaign, but it is easy to lose perspective on these sorts of things because of that.
I learned the above through experience as a player and a gm, which was both good and bad. What I have learned is that either one accepts what the playing group is like, or one discusses it with them to find out what can be done about any such issues, if possible. A key here is discussing it without it becoming a personal and/or scorecard conversation. If the issue is important enough, perhaps a change of some type is a possibility to explore. If not, it's one of those things that simply are always there.
Wednesday, 15th October, 2003, 07:57 PM #10
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
for the last 24 years i have kept a journal for all of my PCs. i still do. it is the only way for me to remember what happened when/ with whom/ etc...
i like revisiting old NPCs.
but i do get frustrated with fellow players who can't remember what the heck they are carrying 2 sessions. even if i know.Story Hour
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