Extra-Dimensional Spaces, NonDimensional Spaces, Pocket Dimensional Space... Yeah.

Bloodsparrow · Oct 26, 2003

Bag of Holding
Hayward's Handy Heaver Sack
Portable Hole
Rope Trick

Okay, here goes...

Two questions...

1. What is the difference between and Extra-Dimensional space (Bag of Holding), and a NonDimensional space? In the DMG the Heaver Sack is described as both a NonDimensional and an Extra-Dimensional space... So... It's just two ways of saying the same thing?

2. The 3.5 DMG, clearly states what happens when you combine the Bag of Holding and the Portable Hole, but that's it... So what happens with other combinations of "Extra/Non-Dimensional space items and spells?

Now I seem to remember, back in my old 2e days... That it was bad to combine any of these things... I also seem to recall that the results were described to me involving the words "creeping doom"... But I could just be confusing that with something else... We used to drink a lot of coffee back then...

FrankTrollman · Oct 26, 2003

Now adays, the only bad thing is those described in the items themselves.

That means if you put a portable hole in a bag of holding - bad. If you put a bag of holding into a portable hole - bad.

But you can but a bag of holding into another bag of holding and the worst that will happen is that you can't find your toothbrush.

-Frank

MacMathan · Oct 26, 2003

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Bloodsparrow · Oct 26, 2003

Okay then, I'll rephrase. (Sorry about that.)

As both Frank and I have already stated, it doesn't say anything other then the case of a Portable Hole and a Bag of Holding...

Was is always like that? And should it be?

FrankTrollman · Oct 26, 2003

Was is always like that? And should it be?

No. There used to be some tables about what happened when you put two extradimensional things into one another. It usually exploded things. This was bad, because what was and was not an extradimensional space was not defined.

-Frank

Thanee · Oct 26, 2003

Bloodsparrow said:
And should it be?

It should be (and is AFAIK) exactly like Frank said. If it were any different, bags of holding wouldn't even exist anymore... because noone in his right mind would be so stupid to carry one one of those timebombs.

"You go through the portal and... *poof* the world around you collapses... New characters again, gentlemen!"

Bye
Thanee

Ricochet · Oct 26, 2003

Another explosive situation might arise when taking a Bag of Holding into a Rope Trick or similar spell-locale.

It says:

"It is hazardous to create an extradimensional space withon an existing extradimensional space or to take an extradimensional space into an existing one."

What this means, it doesn't say, but according to this the general rule is that bad things happen.

frankthedm · Oct 26, 2003

Thanee said:
It should be (and is AFAIK) exactly like Frank said. If it were any different, bags of holding wouldn't even exist anymore... because noone in his right mind would be so stupid to carry one one of those timebombs.

"You go through the portal and... *poof* the world around you collapses... New characters again, gentlemen!"

Bye
Thanee

Those are the breaks, bad thing happen sometimes. No PC has a rightto carry one without danger.

Rope Trick
Transmutation
Level: Sor/Wiz 2
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: One touched piece of rope from 5 ft. to 30 ft. long
Duration: 1 hour/level (D)
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
When this spell is cast upon a piece of rope from 5 to 30 feet long, one end of the rope rises into the air until the whole rope hangs perpendicular to the ground, as if affixed at the upper end. The upper end is, in fact, fastened to an extradimensional space that is outside the multiverse of extradimensional spaces (“planes”). Creatures in the extradimensional space are hidden, beyond the reach of spells (including divinations), unless those spells work across planes. The space holds as many as eight creatures (of any size). Creatures in the space can pull the rope up into the space, making the rope “disappear.” In that case, the rope counts as one of the eight creatures that can fit in the space. The rope can support up to 16,000 pounds. A weight greater than that can pull the rope free.
Spells cannot be cast across the extradimensional interface, nor can area effects cross it. Those in the extradimensional space can see out of it as if a 3-foot-by- 5-foot window were centered on the rope. The window is present on the Material Plane, but it’s invisible, and even creatures that can see the window can’t see through it. Anything inside the extradimensional space drops out when the spell ends. The rope can be climbed by only one person at a time. The rope trick spell enables climbers to reach a normal place if they do not climb all the way to the extradimensional space.
Note: It is hazardous to create an extradimensional space within an existing extradimensional space or to take an extradimensional space into an existing one.
Material Component: Powdered corn extract and a twisted loop of parchment.

Ferret · Oct 26, 2003

It sounds like extra-dimensional spaces have more space inside then they should. Objects in Non-dimensional spaces have no dimensions. This means if one goes in another they work against each other and explode/implode. IMHO.

the Jester · Oct 26, 2003

This is an ambiguous area that the MotP should have addressed.

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