<< PLANESCAPE >> How do you defeat the Lady of Pain?

Calico_Jack73 · Feb 12, 2004

eris404 said:
How 'bout this: she is a myth, was always a myth and doesn't really exist.

Hmmmm... maybe a sword like in the Sword of Shanarra that shows truth. She doesn't exist but thinks she does and so when hit with the sword is shown to herself that she doesn't exist, realises it, and then ceases to be.

jester47 · Feb 12, 2004

The way I see it from wha has been written about her is that The Lady of Pain is a version of the Unstoppable Force. Planescape is about ideas having power and the Lady of Pain is the idea of the unstoppable.

I think that the only thing that could be able to hold her at bay is the Immovable Object. The problem being getting that to where she is...

Canonwise you can get her kicked out of the city, but you won't be able to destroy her. And you can bet that when she gets kicked out, she is going to go after every fool worshiping her (cause thats the only way out) until she is back in the city. And who says that the portals will work when she is not there? Unless the fiends have some override magic, then they might get trapped in Sigil.

Who knows.

Aaron.

jester47 · Feb 12, 2004

Also, while it is not Canon, I would check out "Die, Vecna, Die!" for some ideas. Vecna pulls a pretty good stunt, and manifests as a god in Sigil. This causes problems for the Lady of Pain.

Check it out...

Aaron.

dagger · Feb 12, 2004

Ninja's ...lol

You folks crack me up...lol

Altamont Ravenard · Feb 12, 2004

dagger said:
Ninja's ...lol

You folks crack me up...lol

What if the Lady of Pain WAS a Ninja?

On a totally unrelated note, I saw a girl this autumn with a Lady of Pain tatoo on her back. Most incredible.

AR

Zappo · Feb 12, 2004

You could bring the Far Plane into the equation. It wasn't in the 2E material at all, so the interactions between the Far Plane and the Planescape material is undefined. You could say that the Lady is an Unknowable Lovecraftian Power From The Far Plane With Power Beyone Understanding, and that there are even greater beings where she came from. She lacks tentacles, but she isn't short in power or unknowableness.

Maybe the entire toroidal city of Sigil is a portal to the Far Plane, and the constant tearing down and rebuilding that the dabus do is nothing more than the key needed to open it. When the Streets are Right, Ultimate Horror shall be Released upon the Multiverse. Or something.

realmprotector · Feb 12, 2004

You could always open a portal to the Star Wars universe and bring in the Emperor Palpatine a little force lightning ought to shake her up...Then again he'll probably just get flayed...

LGodamus · Feb 12, 2004

Ferret said:
Lets look at with with logic:

-You cannot kill her in a fight
-She has control over sigil
-She is not a diety
-She can kill anyone in sigil

We want here to die. Fool her into think she (or part of here) is someone else. She kills it she dies.

If that doesn't work Ao vs Lady of pain?

BY planescape, overpowers such as AO only have much power in there own pantheon or sphere of influence..so in short Ao= the loser in this fight

LGodamus · Feb 12, 2004

BlackMoria said:
It may be impossible to destroy Sigil if the Lady and Sigil are a two faces of the same coin.

That said, it may be possible to isolate Sigil by severing all planar connections in and out of the city at their outside Sigil origins, and then use a siege or some powerful magics to physically separate the city from its environment.

Perhaps 'shift' Sigil to the Far Realm by some method.

Then let the party begin....

the problem with this one is...how do you shift sigil ...since its at the top of the spire where all magic and supernatural abilities including that of the mightiest gods are null ?

Calico_Jack73 · Feb 12, 2004

Zappo said:
You could bring the Far Plane into the equation. It wasn't in the 2E material at all, so the interactions between the Far Plane and the Planescape material is undefined. You could say that the Lady is an Unknowable Lovecraftian Power From The Far Plane With Power Beyone Understanding, and that there are even greater beings where she came from. She lacks tentacles, but she isn't short in power or unknowableness.

Maybe the entire toroidal city of Sigil is a portal to the Far Plane, and the constant tearing down and rebuilding that the dabus do is nothing more than the key needed to open it. When the Streets are Right, Ultimate Horror shall be Released upon the Multiverse. Or something.

Maybe the Fiends found the resting place of Cthulhu and woke him up? He'd be a match for her, no?