<< PLANESCAPE >> How do you defeat the Lady of Pain?

Calico_Jack73 · Feb 12, 2004

This isn't really related to this discussion but I need to ask. I've never really gotten into Planescape but the idea of a Planar Armageddon has really captured my imagination and I'd like to run with it. It seems like the majority of people here love the Planescape setting. Why? What about it do you like so much?

EricNoah · Feb 12, 2004

Kestrel said:
By beating the DM into submission?

Ugh, typical metagamer!

Li Shenron · Feb 12, 2004

Calico_Jack73 said:
Actually I like the idea of an Armageddon in the Planes and would like to run it. I just want a "By the Book" answer so that my Rules Lawyers will be satisfied if I spring it on them (don't laugh... every group has at least one or two).

In this case, it's not a problem for you, it's the rules lawyers' problem

No Rules Lawyer can pretend the DM to put aside his own setting choices. If they pretend that the books are over you even in campaign/story issues, tell them from the start that you are playing a Planescape++ campaign instead.

Ottergame · Feb 12, 2004

EricNoah said:
In a world where "rule of three" reigns supreme, the Lady's rule is even higher: the "rule of zero." Whatever she wants, she gets. Period!

The Lady of Pain is like a spoiled brat DM, she'll Rule 0 everything to get her way.

Calico_Jack73 · Feb 12, 2004

Li Shenron said:
In this case, it's not a problem for you, it's the rules lawyers' problem.

I know. Even if I tell them that it is my game it won't make them enjoy the game any more if they are all ate up that I've deviated from the published setting. In the end gaming should be enjoyable and nobody should go home upset. I run the game to entertain my players.

SamuraiY · Feb 12, 2004

Zappo said:
No overgod in Planescape (despite what certain factions claim).

Oh. Well I guess that you're screwed then. Or whoever you where going to have kill her is.

Zappo · Feb 12, 2004

Calico_Jack73 said:
This isn't really related to this discussion but I need to ask. I've never really gotten into Planescape but the idea of a Planar Armageddon has really captured my imagination and I'd like to run with it. It seems like the majority of people here love the Planescape setting. Why? What about it do you like so much?

The fact that it's not about who beats whom.

JoeGKushner · Feb 12, 2004

Piratecat said:
You can't, unless the DM suddenly decides that you can. She's a plot device.

And this is the end all of the conversation. Unlike how WoTC statted out gods for various editions, they wisely never did that for the Lady. She is a Plot Device with no built in defeat unless the GM of that campaign reveals one.

simmo · Feb 12, 2004

If you REALLY want to get rid of The Lady, then have the PCs discover that "she" is in fact three ratatosks sitting on each other shoulders inside a dress. One has a mask of flaying, the other a ring of flying & invisibility and the third has a wand of mazing

Once news gets out the deities, fiends etc will all rush into the Cage and you can go through the Planar Armageddon plot line. However, what is the life-expectancy of PCs in such a multiverse?