Sultans of Smack

Jairami · Feb 15, 2002

If you can make a dragon disciple rival the strength of reapersaurus's avatar of Kord (god of strength), we'd love to see it Fango.

MeanGenes · Feb 23, 2002

The Hit Point Super Soaker.

This isn't so much a smackdown but a min/maxing of HP:

Dwarf with 20 con, start lawful good align, switch to neutral good at 3rd level
Levels (max/avg HP at each level)
Level 1 paladin, feat toughness, 13/13 HP
level 2 Ranger 10/5.5
level 3 cleric, dwarf's toughness +6 HP, 14/10.5
level 4 barbarian 12/6.5
level 5 barbarian 12/6.5
level 6 fighter, dragon's toughness +12 taken twice, 34/29.5
Level 7 fighter, dragon's toughness +12 , 22/17.5
8-19 fighter with dragon's toughness taken every other level as bonus feat
8 10/5.5
9 22/17.5 + 12 dragon toughness feat
10 10/5.5
11 22/17.5
12 10/5.5 + 12 DT
13 22/17.5
14 10/5.5
15 22/17.5 + 12 DT
16 10/5.5
17 22/17.5
18 10/5.5 +12 DT
19 22/17.5
20 sorc 4/2.5 get toad familiar

Maximum HP = 351, avg = 277.5 (let's round up to 278).

Now let's add in con. 20 at first level + 5 stat increases + 5 inherent (tome) + 6 amulet of health + 4 raging + 2 toad = 42 con. A 42 con gives a con bonus of +16. 16 X 20 levels = 320 HP.

Max HP = 671, avg HP = 598.

Now, you can add temporary HP into this like aid spell (1d8), bardic music (2d10), and potion of heroism (2d10). You can also switch out a level of cleric for a level of psychic warrior and pick up the Verve power for 1 temporary HP for 1 minute. If someone wants to go ahead and look up every +temporary HP spell and magic item go ahead and add that onto what I have so far. Does anyone know how to add any more actual HP's though?

Jairami · Feb 24, 2002

Then there's the "Put the Tenser's Transformation in the Spell Storing Ring" addition.

Throw that in there maximized (still technically a 6th level spell) from your 20th level compatriot and add 20d6 temporary hp.

Sollir Furryfoot · Feb 24, 2002

Then theres the broken spell 'Harm' and reduce those HPs to 1d4 technically with a 6th level spell

Jairami · Feb 24, 2002

Now now now, no pitting smack against smack.

This thread is constructive in nature. Just in and odd field.

Darkness · Feb 25, 2002

Why start as paladin and then throw away the paladin abilities later? That is, what hp benefit does this gain you?

orbitalfreak · Feb 25, 2002

I think that the level of paladin is for the bonus to saving throws (especially FORT), to qualify for the advanced Toughness-like feats.

The extra +2 to fort allows the character to meet the pre-req's for these feats earlier.

Of course, I could be wrong.

MeanGenes · Feb 25, 2002

I think that the level of paladin is for the bonus to saving throws (especially FORT), to qualify for the advanced Toughness-like feats.

The extra +2 to fort allows the character to meet the pre-req's for these feats earlier.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Nope, that's right.

In order to get to dragon toughness, you need a Base Fort save of 11. The fastest way to get there is by multiclassing with all the classes which give +2 fort save in their first level. Going pal 1/rang 1/cler 1/barb 2/ftr 1 gives you a fort save of 11 at 6th level and allows you to take all dragon toughness feats afterward as fighter bonus feats and regular feats.