Let's fix Armor of Speed without turning it into Boots of Speed...

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Anubis

First Post

• Apr 2, 2002

• #1

Okay, that's the challenge. How do we fic the Armor of Speed without turning it into Boots of Speed? Ideas?

Here are a couple of my thoughts:

1) Get rid of it altogether, it's too broken to fix.

2) Make it +5.

 

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maddman75

First Post

• Apr 2, 2002

• #2

I fixed it by option #1

 

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Caliban

Rules Monkey

• Apr 2, 2002

• #3

Option #1.

 

CRGreathouse

Community Supporter

• Apr 2, 2002

• #4

I've allowed it as a +7 equivilent. This stops players from taking heavy (or medium) fortification, which is a high enough price already (I think).

 

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hong

WotC's bitch

• Apr 2, 2002

• #5

How does simply granting an extra attack per round (like a weapon of speed, or bracers of blinding strike from MoF) strike people? That should probably still be at least a +5 or +6 enchantment. Actually, a fixed cost (since the benefit is independent of the armour's protection) might be more appropriate -- say, 50,000 gp?

 

Artoomis

First Post

• Apr 2, 2002

• #6

This conversation has certainly happened before.

If I remember right, my opinion was that a +7 bonus for cost was about right - I recall some good analysis for that, but I don't remember what it was.

 

CRGreathouse

Community Supporter

• Apr 2, 2002

• #7

Artoomis said:

If I remember right, my opinion was that a +7 bonus for cost was about right

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I know it was suggested by one or two of the designers, but I can't remember which one(s). (Sound familiar? I should write this stuff down.)

 

Artoomis

First Post

• Apr 3, 2002

• #8

I found the old discussion:

http://www.enworld.org/messageboards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7471

A far as it being +7, that's because:

+5 for AC bonus (it must be at least the value of the AC boost)
+1 more because it's not an armor bonus (a haste bonus), so it is stackable with bracers, etc.
+1 more for the extra partial action.

So, at least +7.

 

CRGreathouse

Community Supporter

• Apr 3, 2002

• #9

Artoomis said:

A far as it being +7, that's because:

+5 for AC bonus (it must be at least the value of the AC boost)
+1 more because it's not an armor bonus (a haste bonus), so it is stackable with bracers, etc.
+1 more for the extra partial action.

So, at least +7.

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This is a bad breakdown.

+4 covers the AC bonus - sure it stacks with armor, but what are you going to do about that? Wear +1 padded armor of speed and +8 bracers of armor for a total 128,155 gp? An 82,100 gp +4 mithral shirt of speed would serve you better, and is more flexible (AC can increase further).

The +5 for AC bonus and +1 for stackable should be condensed into a +4, leaving +3 for a single partial action (you don't need to cast haste) and the other benefits (jumping, etc.).

 

Artoomis

First Post

• Apr 3, 2002

• #10

Re-reading it, I see the AC bonus is +4. So that's the starting point.

I'd then add +1 for being a none-enhancement bonus that's extremely stackable (I still think that's valid)

Then another +1 or +2 for the extra partial action each round.

So if it's a +7 bonus, you START at +8 (it's got to be +1 to start with), leaving only a +2 bonus left to work with.

Seems reasonable.