Christian Persecution vs Persecuted Christians
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Sadras
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@goldomark sadly I had a full reply, but it got lost in the submission. I will answer back when I have time available.
But I will address one of your's and @Ryujin's comments:
Very dramatic.
The Muslims of Turkey need to acknowledge the Armenian Persecution and make reparations. The Muslims of Egypt need to acknowledge the injustices against the Copts and make reparations. The Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh need to acknowledge their atrocities against the Hindu and Shieks and make reparations...list goes on, including the 200 or so girls that were kidnapped in Nigeria. At least the memes with the ridiculous Michelle Obama were funny.
This is very much similar to how South Africa acknowledged the atrocities under the Apartheid Regime, established the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and began making reparations, as in post Nazi Germany...etc.
Feel free to keep on enjoying your handful of Imams on radio, youtube and Mosque while the atrocities continue.
I felt inspired again so I answered a few more for you @goldomark
It is documented that not all Jews were Zionist, yet Zionism succeeded and now we have Israel, as of course not all Muslims actively pursue the colonization of Europe where as others wish to establish an Islamic Caliphate.
What is known is that far more Muslims are emigrating to Europe than Europeans leaving for the Middle East.
Okay
European Union Ministers of Justice, Ministers of Interior and Foreign Affairs have approved a creation in Africa and Middle East of special camps for immigrants who inundated Europe. The decision was taken in Luxemburg after the “revolt” of Eastern European countries; Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Latvia declined to comply with imposed by Brussels 66,000 persons´ quotas on immigrants, qualifying them as “illegal”. Prague threatened to start a law suit in the European Court, Hungary on Tuesday closed its border with Serbia and approved a law which punishes illegal border crossing with jail or deportation. Berlin was sharply criticized for its unilateral decision of opening Germany´s borders to immigrants, and Germany´s neighbors: Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, and Slovenia unilaterally closed borders with Germany.
I don't believe I insinuated that.
The details may not yet be made available to the public.
But I will address one of your's and @Ryujin's comments:
Very dramatic.
You know the people who are lumping Muslims together don't listen to NPR
The Muslims of Turkey need to acknowledge the Armenian Persecution and make reparations. The Muslims of Egypt need to acknowledge the injustices against the Copts and make reparations. The Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh need to acknowledge their atrocities against the Hindu and Shieks and make reparations...list goes on, including the 200 or so girls that were kidnapped in Nigeria. At least the memes with the ridiculous Michelle Obama were funny.
This is very much similar to how South Africa acknowledged the atrocities under the Apartheid Regime, established the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and began making reparations, as in post Nazi Germany...etc.
Feel free to keep on enjoying your handful of Imams on radio, youtube and Mosque while the atrocities continue.
I felt inspired again so I answered a few more for you @goldomark
It is documented that not all Jews were Zionist, yet Zionism succeeded and now we have Israel, as of course not all Muslims actively pursue the colonization of Europe where as others wish to establish an Islamic Caliphate.
What is known is that far more Muslims are emigrating to Europe than Europeans leaving for the Middle East.
Okay
European Union Ministers of Justice, Ministers of Interior and Foreign Affairs have approved a creation in Africa and Middle East of special camps for immigrants who inundated Europe. The decision was taken in Luxemburg after the “revolt” of Eastern European countries; Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Latvia declined to comply with imposed by Brussels 66,000 persons´ quotas on immigrants, qualifying them as “illegal”. Prague threatened to start a law suit in the European Court, Hungary on Tuesday closed its border with Serbia and approved a law which punishes illegal border crossing with jail or deportation. Berlin was sharply criticized for its unilateral decision of opening Germany´s borders to immigrants, and Germany´s neighbors: Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, and Slovenia unilaterally closed borders with Germany.
I don't believe I insinuated that.
The details may not yet be made available to the public.
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There is not a nation over 100 years old nor major faith on the face of the earth without blood on their hands, and most don't care to mention them. Apologies have been rare, and reparations rarer still.
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Sadras
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True, but this misconception and line of propaganda that this religion's history is and has always been a religion of peace needs to be corrected. As I said upthread, the religion is 1200-1400 years of age - and we all know about Christianity's history at that age.
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Ryujin
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A ten second search turned this up.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkis...condolences-to-armenians-for-genocide/5379069
Sadras
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I admit this is a major first step for Turkey. Interestingly that article (and it's link) paints Turkey and USA in a much worse light - given Obama/USA's treatment of the entire affair and the Syrian scandal which occurred a month before.
Wiki does mention the below quote re the same Prime Minister
It doesn't appear that Turkey has not yet recognised it as a Genocide. It is like saying Germany killed a few Jews in the war along with some Homosexuals, Christians and Romani and we are sorry but we need to forgive and forget the past and not hold grudges and move forward. That is as per your link "a repackaging" of the events.
That is not an acceptance of a Genocide - that is political pandering to the EU. Turkey is still very much a Genocide Denier (and we all know what the worldview is on Holocaust Deniers) and sadly Turkey has USA's backing.
These links might further help illuminate the matter.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...dismisses-european-armenia-genocide-vote.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...an-genocide-undermines-national-identity.html
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Ryujin
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Well, technically speaking asking the current government of Turkey to apologize for the Armenian Genocide is sort of like asking the former Soviet Union to apologize to families of people executed by the Romanov dynasty. The Sultanate was abolished and replaced by a republic in 1922. Admittedly there is precedent for such and yes, there must at the very least be a full admission of events, but there is a disconnect. In Germany, people elected a government that performed the genocide. The Ottoman Empire was essentially a Caliphate.
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*Sound of omnious organ music in the background*
Who are those Muslims who actively persue the colonization of Europe? Any organization similar to the WZO out there? What is the percentage of refugees and migrants that are there to colonize Europe?
I love this sort of argument. Its a "I don't mean to imply anything, even if I imply something" type of argument.
I'm reminded me of the Yellow Peril fears of the nineteen century.
So, if Eastern European countries have revolted, it isn't the entire European governements, as you said, right? And this doesn't demonstrate that it isn't politicians betting on the islamophobia or plain old xenophobia of some of their voters to score points.
Yup:
You say its "an attempt to preserve their culture and heritage". Seems like you're saying the manipulation of immigration policies is done to scare Europeans so they would approve of protective mesures.
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