New SCAG Info: Someone Got The Book

Prism · Oct 24, 2015

pukunui said:
[MENTION=9501]Prism[/MENTION]: Is there a timeline (or Roll of Years) of any kind in the book?

You get a reasonable amount of detail about the various ages such as The Crown Wars and Netheril. It then breaks down the period of the Sundering from 1482 (Murder in Balders Gate) through to 1489 when the Gods withdraw the power from most of their Chosen. This is the last date seemingly written in the past tense so it kind of suggests 1490+ as a place to start.

The source in this section relates to the Sundering novels and the playtest era adventures. No mention of any of the story lines since the 5e release, which brings us no closer to when these events supposedly happened.

Irennan · Oct 24, 2015

Prism said:
You get a reasonable amount of detail about the various ages such as The Crown Wars and Netheril. It then breaks down the period of the Sundering from 1482 (Murder in Balders Gate) through to 1489 when the Gods withdraw the power from most of their Chosen. This is the last date seemingly written in the past tense so it kind of suggests 1490+ as a place to start.

So all the various chosen have drastically been reduced in number. Does it give examples of any chosen who kept their power? Does it specifically talk about which gods are back, or is it a ''all the gods in the lists are back''?

Prism · Oct 24, 2015

TheThirdFlash said:
Someone described it as being like rage. Can someone that has the book elaborate on the mechanic? Does it specify that you must be in light armor? I'm curious about multiclassing options.

I suppose its a bit like rage - maybe a stance would be a better word (although it doesn't call it that)

You can wear light armour but don't have to. No shields or using a weapon in two hands. The tradition does give you proficiency in light armour. It has limited uses per rest and basically improves your AC, speed, acrobatics and concentration rolls. Later on you can use your spell slots to absorb damage and you do more damage with your own weapon attacks.

It might multiclass quite well with eldritch knight - not sure yet - but you would lose a lot of nice high level spells

Irennan · Oct 24, 2015

Someone posted the Bladesinger on reddit http://imgur.com/4RGKhUM

Morrus · Oct 24, 2015

Irennan said:
Someone posted the Bladesinger on reddit http://imgur.com/4RGKhUM

gyor · Oct 24, 2015

MonsterEnvy said:
Get rid of your review. You have not looked at the book. Also seriously one minor god was not mentioned, why is that a deal breaker?

Do you think at this point that after all the spoilers and even pics from the reddit and forums that I have no idea of what's in it? There is no shocking revelation in the book that will radically change the things I don't like about it.

But I'm not unreasonable, I'll withdrew it, but when I see it and if I still don't like it, its going back up with greater details.

Unless it miracliously rewrites itself and grows hundreds of pages, I remain doubtful of that.

And Sharess has always been my favourite FR deity, I love her back story which is complex and rich, I love her fun, yet compassionate philosphy, I love cats they so cute and cuddly, even then they ambush your ankles in the middle of the night, I love all her aspects Sharess, Zandilar, Bast, Felidae, and her titles like Succubus of sensation, I love how she explored the dark side of herself and came back from that. I love that she had all these adventures in various forms over millenia.

So yes, that alone is worth the lost of a single star, maybe two.

Prism · Oct 24, 2015

Irennan said:
So all the various chosen have drastically been reduced in number. Does it give examples of any chosen who kept their power? Does it specifically talk about which gods are back, or is it a ''all the gods in the lists are back''?

In the timeline section it just says the Gods stop interfering through their chosen. Its referring to the chosen that appeared during the Sundering. So far I haven't seen any mention of the original type of chosen such as Elminster is. There is a small section explaining that some gods withdraw, other die and others go dormant. Mortals don't know anything except their prayers go unanswered (and therefore I doubt we will find out). The individual god descriptions have no mention of coming back. For example if you read the section on Mystra you would not know she had been gone for nearly 100 years.

Its probably better that way as it reads much better for people new to the realms or those that don't care so much about the storylines. They want to know what does it mean for their character now, not what's been happening with their god recently

Irennan · Oct 24, 2015

Prism said:
In the timeline section it just says the Gods stop interfering through their chosen. Its referring to the chosen that appeared during the Sundering. So far I haven't seen any mention of the original type of chosen such as Elminster is. There is a small section explaining that some gods withdraw, other die and others go dormant. Mortals don't know anything except their prayers go unanswered (and therefore I doubt we will find out). The individual god descriptions have no mention of coming back. For example if you read the section on Mystra you would not know she had been gone for nearly 100 years.

Its probably better that way as it reads much better for people new to the realms or those that don't care so much about the storylines. They want to know what does it mean for their character now, not what's been happening with their god recently

So, it says that all the listed gods are currently active/alive and that's it, I guess?

The Myopic Sniper · Oct 24, 2015

fba827 said:
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm actually GLAD they don't have a new subclass for each class. It potentially shows that wotc isn't looking to force an idea for the sake of symmetry but rather stuck with what was flavorful and inspired for the concept of the book.

In my opinion , designing subclasses purely for the purpose of 'filling out symmetry of all classes getting included" is just begging for half assed things that aren't really inspired by concept but are shoe horned in. I mean one doesn't mean th other will happen but it's definitely knocking on the door in that direction if it did.

I get that... in theory. This early in the edition though there are still a lot of concepts within the base classes that don't have full support. Obviously, you don't want to release anything "half assed," but I think partisans of the classes that are overlooked on each go around will feel that what they do get "three new musical instruments for your bard!" will feel that the space devoted to that is "half assed" because they don't have a crunchy subclass to go along with it.

As I said in the deleted thread, Bards in particular are hard to design for with only three subclass levels. And the Rangers may have not gotten anything because the class is being eyed for a redesign. I think that is all the better reason to throw more options out there as long as it doesn't result in power creep.

If a Ranger lover skips your book because you devote 3/4s of a page to "how to play this class" material and flavor options when the space could have been used for a simple but flavorful subclass, I think they probably should opt for a subclass that incorporates some of that flavor. If the game had 50 classes in the core, yeah, designing options for all of them wouldn't really be desirable, but 12 is a small enough number that I don't think that you are going to hit a lot of subclasses that are just subclasses for subclass sake, at least at this point.

I did sigh a bit of relief to discover that the Purple Dragon Warrior (or whatever awkwardly Phallic name that they used) was a subclass and not a prestige class. That way lies madness.

Prism · Oct 24, 2015

Irennan said:
So, it says that all the listed gods are currently active/alive and that's it, I guess?

Sort of - it just says these are the gods. No mention of if they have ever been dead or not active. Several entries do mention the gods origin if important, so Cyric is listed as once being mortal.

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