And your basis for that is? Climbing requires no check either, after all.
D&D 5E Does Rope Trick Heal?
And your basis for that is? Climbing requires no check either, after all.
Blue
Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
And now you aren’t addressing what I am saying
To use your own words, I engaged it, I just didn't engage it in the way you wanted me to. I addressed it explicitly as tangential to the point I was trying to make. I reinforced this by giving a second healing example.
FIRST, I am unsure how you addressed rope trick (bolded above) because I didn't talk about it AT ALL. I talked about Longstrider, Catnap, and Goodberry. I don't think Rope Trick is a healing spell, and haven't argued as such even once in this thread. As a matter of fact, this may be the first comment where I even mentioned Rope Trick.
SECOND, I gave two healing examples, which I present as proof that I was not trying to "trap" you with terminology between longstrider. Once you start assigning things like that to a debate it just shuts down. There is an apples to apples comparison that explicitly can't be a "movement terminology trap" since it's about healing.
So, let's try it just with the healing spells. Here's what I said:
Catnap gives you the ability to spend HD to heal (as well as other things). You have the opportunity to heal, regardless if you take it.
Goodberry creates berries that will each heal one HP (as well as other things). You have the opportunity to heal from the berries, regardless if anyone eats the berries before they expire.
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Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Because like Cure Wounds, which doesn't heal you if you are full on hit points, it directly adds to what its purpose is. If you cast Cure Wounds, you have been directly healed regardless of whether you need it or not. If you have Longstrider cast on you, your movement has been directly increased regardless of whether you move or not. If someone casts Catnap on you, there is no direct healing no matter what. Ever.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
"One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong." Let's see if you can spot it.
1. Longstrider DIRECTLY increases movement speed.
2. Catnap DOES NOT directly heal.
3. Goodberries DIRECTLY heals when eaten.
It has nothing to do with whether or not you take advantage of the movement, hit dice or eating that determines the spell type. It's whether or not the spell directly or indirectly causes the healing or movement increase.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Rationality is my basis. There is no rope climb that is less strenuous than a normal walking pace. Maybe you've never climbed a rope before. I did in school, and it was knotted to make it easy to climb. It was still more difficult even at the bottom when I wasn't tired from trying to climb way up to the gym ceiling, than it was to walk at a normal pace up to that rope. The spell isn't Magic Escalator/Elevator Trick. It's Rope Trick and it requires you to climb the rope to get in.
Oh! Oh! It's this one! You're adding extra points to make to example unfairly biased to your side!
Have you ever walked before? And I don't mean "to the shops" I mean an adventurer's paced hike. Because that's where your argument falls apart. It's not "I walk 5 feet" it's "I set out for the nearby village a couple of miles away."
Blue
Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Umm, yes. Which is a great example of a spell that INDIRECTLY heals. Because when I cast the spell, no one is healed. It's only an indirect action, eating the berries, which can be totally divorced from casting the spell, which heals. Heck, the caster could be dead, and someone who wasn't present at the time of casting gets healed. It's completely indirect.
Thanks again for a great example supporting my point.
As we can see from the Goodberry example, "directly healed from casting the spell" is not a requirement for a healing spell. So "direct" can not be a criteria.
FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
Yes because adding true qualifiers is so unfairly biased...
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Maybe you weren't paying attention, but it's MY definition that's being discussed here. [MENTION=20564]Blue[/MENTION] has been trying to tell me that MY definition applies to Catnap, when it clearly doesn't.
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