D&D 5E Ok I have to ask..... what's with the Paladin hate on here?

Saelorn said:

As some people have identified, there are two distinct issues here:

1) Some people dislike the baggage associated with the class, because they know people who have played a paladin poorly in the past.

2) Some people dislike the specific mechanics in 5E, because they don't work well with the rest of the system. Smiting twice per round wrecks pacing (both of that one fight, and of the entire day), and +5 to all saves for the entire party wrecks bounded accuracy.

And though it hasn't been repeated much in this thread, I think some people have another problem:

3) With all of the lore-related changes in 5E, it doesn't really feel like a paladin anymore. If you're chaotic neutral, or championing the causes of nature, then that's just completely the wrong mental image from a knight in shining armor which has always been the core class identity.

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lowkey13 said:

You must always be on the lookout for those who advocate for the Paladin. The Paladin is the d4 of classes; sure, it might be a part of the history of the game, but have you ever wanted to roll a d4? Does it even roll? Or is it something you tolerate because, "It's always been that way," knowing that it's the one die that doesn't roll, shouldn't be in the game, and will repeatedly hurt your tender feet as you step on them like ersatz legos. The Paladin is the d4- useless, and occasionally painful.

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Normally, the Paladin lovers skulk in the shadows, properly embarrassed of their unfortunate predilection. But this thread has brought them to the light, often with pictorial evidence. And when the revolution comes, they, and their smites, and their Holy Avengers, will be the first against the wall.

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