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Old 26th June 2009, 10:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Saves For Multiclassing

I came up with a fix for Saves and Multiclassing. It's based on the regular system for determining saves (specifically the bad save), but doesnt allow the exploit of the level 1 +2 bump.

Regular System:
1/3*level = Bad Saves
1/2*level+2 = Good Saves
5/12*level+1 = Medium Saves
I made medium saves as directly halfway between the two, for use in the regular system.
this gives totals of 6.67, 9.33, and 12.00 at level 20.

My New System - based on the old bad-save total:
1/3*level = Bad Saves
2/3*level = Good Saves
1/2*level = Medium Saves
Again, medium is directly between the two.
this gives totals of 6.67, 10, and 13.33 at level 20.

I also have 2 other tweaks in case someone doesnt like the increase from 12.00 to 13.33 for good saves.

Based on the old good-save total:
3/10*level = Bad Saves
6/10*level = Good Saves
9/20*level = Medium Saves
this gives totals of 6.00, 9.00, and 12.00 at 20

and finally

Based on the old good AND bad save totals:
1/3*level = Bad Saves
6/10*level = Good Saves
7/15*level = Medium Saves
this gives totals of 6.67, 9.33, and 12.00 at 20.
As you can see, this gives the most similar results you'll get to the original system, though I prefer the cleaner fractions of 1/3, 1/2, and 2/3.

Feel free to comment or use any of these three alternate systems.
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Old 1st July 2009, 10:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think your third set was how one of the Star Wars rules did it; either D20 or Sage, can't remember right now. But they had Poor, Good and an Average save that was somewhere in-between.

For my systems, I do this:
Good saves = +0.5 per level.
Poor saves = +0.4 per level.

Round down to whole number. At 1st (character) level, the character gets a one-time +2 bonus to his Good saves. Good saves do not get this bump when they multi-class or go into a prestige class.

This also mitigates one of the weaknesses of multiclassing in that you still get something added to your saves instead of that disappointing +0.

I have a similar formula for BAB as well.
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