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Old 9th September 2007, 01:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Why recommend "upgrading" to IE7 from IE6

Regarding the new site design and IE6 problems. Why did you recommend "upgrading" to IE7? You should recommend a superior quality browser than the non-standard compliant drivel like Internet Explorer. Opera and Firefox come immediately to mind as superiour browsers, if you recommend an upgrade I would chose them since they are an actual upgrade rather than a behind the times browser. I can speak from experience that Opera renders the page perfectly and offers an all around better experience than IE.
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Old 9th September 2007, 01:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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IE7 has tabbed browsing that I can re-arrange in any order I like. When I visit messageboards like EN World I open up multiple browser windows to visit many forums at one time. In previous IE, it can hog up all the spaces on the taskbar. IE7 allows me to have multiple browser windows without hogging the space on the taskbar.

Also, Netscape 8 doesn't allow me to re-arrange the tab any way I like.
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Old 9th September 2007, 02:17 AM   #3 (permalink)
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IE7 has tabbed browsing that I can re-arrange in any order I like.
So does Firefox - maybe give people a list of browsers to choose from rather than just IE? Firefox or IE7.
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Old 9th September 2007, 06:33 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Yep, in Firefox you just drag the titlebar in the tab row to another location...

It sounds more like someone has a preference and doesn't want to deal with anything else. I can understand that attitude; I pretty much refuse to support my family/friends unless they're using non-IE. Well, except my wife. She gets to use IE -- but she chooses not to anyway.

What gets my goat are "blind" recommendations: those that are made without any significant experience with the alternatives, so they aren't really authoritative but they sound like they are.

Oh well. Such is life.
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IE7 has tabbed browsing that I can re-arrange in any order I like.
IE is about the last browser on earth to have this feature...

Opera has it since several years already, and Firefox since the 1st version.

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So does Firefox - maybe give people a list of browsers to choose from rather than just IE? Firefox or IE7.
It should really read "Upgrade to anything else made in the last 3 years."
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Old 9th September 2007, 05:58 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Although I suggest Firefox for browsing, if you HAD to upgrade from IE6 to IE7, it might be because IE6 (... and IE7) sometimes doesn't spit out proper formatting for page layouts, PNG images (with greater ranges of image transparency) aren't fully supported, and it's just old and worn out. I'm sure it's missing something along the lines of newer web technologies that ENWorld may want to use, like ASP.NET 2.0 or something (don't know, haven't tried any pages on older machines and software).

Edit: Just took a look at the ENWorld logo (which appears to be a transparent png) and there's a pretty good chance that it won't show up right on IE6.
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I would actualy recommend Opera. Firefox has the whole FOSS thing behind it, which is a definite plus, but I've tried the current versions of Opera, Firefox and IE and Opera just wins. Its faster, smaller, more standards compliant, and more feature rich (disregarding third-party components for FF, but even then there's a sizeable 3rd party Opera community and most of the popular FF components like AdBlock are just standard features in Opera).

Yes, I do work in software for a living but I am not associated with any of the discussed browser producers in any shape or form.

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IE is about the last browser on earth to have this feature...
Nope, Netscape 8 will be the last browser to have the feature to re-arrange (or move) browsing tabs.
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Nescape 8 isn't even a browser...

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Nescape 8 isn't even a browser...
I still use it (and IE) to surf the 'net.

Bummed that both don't have newsreader upgrade (still using OE 6).
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IE is about the last browser on earth to have this feature...
Irrelivant. All that matters is that it has it now. Or would it be fair to compare IE6 with Opera 1?

I absolutely agree that MS has been behind the times with browser development and it frustrates me, as a web developer who actually likes to use CSS. There are just enough reason to pick on IE (or any other platform/tool) without dredging up old stuff.

IMO, IE7 is competitive with FireFox or Opera. There are still some areas where it could be more standards compliant. On the other hand, it has fewer problems with certain content types (IME, Flash and Quicktime are occasionally problematic in Firefox, YMMV).

I'm forced to used IE6 at work, for the next six or so months, because of legacy 3rd party issues. I keep Firefox installed to check CSS and other standards. I see little to no difference between Firefox at work and IE7 at home, other than IE7 being more reliable with media -- though I've heard Firefox fans having the opposite experience. I've never used Opera, so have no opinion.

Honestly, I don't think the aveage user will notice much difference between IE7 and Firefox. Mostly, it's just another software jyhad for us geeks to bang our chest about. Java vs .NET. Mac vs Windows. Etc.
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I still use it (and IE) to surf the 'net.

Bummed that both don't have newsreader upgrade (still using OE 6).
You know about SeaMonkey, right? It's what used to be the Mozilla Suite (and that's what they ruined to make Netscape). It has a newsreader and many other things...

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/
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He recommened IE7 for users of IE6 because its in the same software line.

Not because he personally thinks its absolutly better.

But because in the scheme of things if they are using IE6, getting them to move to IE7 is both easier and more likely to happen.
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