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Old 2nd August 2009, 10:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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"Upgrading" soon, advice needed

I apologize in advance for the length of this post.

Sometime soon, I'm going to have to "upgrade" some of my current electronics, like my 7 year old Macs.

However, what I need help with is this: I own a Palm Tungsten E2- a PDA about the size of a human hand- that has a thumbprint-sized dead spot on its screen. Its not completely inactive, it just will not accept data accurately- try to draw a straight line in it, and it gives you zig-zags and spiderwebs.

This also makes it impossible to recalibrate the touchscreen. One of the calibration dots is in the zone. Ditto some of the letters in the on-screen keyboard.

I'd like to get a new one if I could...

...but as it turns out, technology has progressed since I purchased my E2 back in 2005! (GASP!)

Today, PDAs are seemingly extinct- they're as rare as pregnant pandas. They've been supplanted by smartphones.

This is all well and good, but smartphones don't meet my needs:

1) They're expensive. A contract for a smartphone costs as much annually as my one-time purchase of a PDA, in addition to the underlying phone contract. This is largely to support things I don't need- portable & remote access of email and the internet, GPS, and so forth.

2) They don't do what I need them to the way I need them to. My E2 is primarily used 3 ways:

a) I have a nearly complete backup to my phone's contact list...and its got more datafields to boot, like birthdays, anniversaries, etc;

b) its notepad is full of text files containing PCs, campaign ideas, shopping lists for groceries, instruments, CDs and the like, short-story ideas, and an illustrated list of chords I've developed for Robert Fripp's New Standard Tuning- something I could turn into a book.

c) an electronic sketchpad. I design jewelry, and I'd hoped to use my E2 to replace my pencil & paper for those designs. I could just sketch something out- the resolution and control is sufficient to the task- and I could use its memory card or Bluetooth it to my main jeweler's electronics. But with that "Dead Zone," I can't do that any more.

The smartphones, in contrast, have tiny screens- my E2's screen is bigger than many of the phones themselves. And most no longer use a stylus- essential for the pinpoint control for a decent sketch.

Laptops and notebook computers, OTOH, while capable of doing all of the above, will not fit in a pocket.

So...what is out there? Is there anything out there?
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Old 3rd August 2009, 09:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm reasonably sure, Palm (among others) still produces PDAs.

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Old 3rd August 2009, 10:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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So far, nearly all of the ones I've found are technically considered smartphones- the iPhones, Blackberrys and so forth- which means the $30/month dataplans, smaller screens, and don't use a stylus anymore (which I need for fine control).

The Palm E2 I own was discontinued in 05- though I can find refurbished ones- and the Z22 (which I've seen reviewed as late as 08) isn't even seen on Palm's site. The only thing I can see that might be a true, pure PDA are Centros...which could fit on the screen of my E2. Great for portability, but if its capable of supporting a stylus for sketching, that's a bit small. The higher end Treo suffers similarly.

The HPs I've seen don't seem to use a stylus either.
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Old 3rd August 2009, 11:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Maybe the Asus MyPal line fits what you are looking for?

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Old 3rd August 2009, 11:18 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Those may indeed work! Thanks!

Now to find one to get a closer look...I just did some quick research and found them to be "Not in stock."
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Amazon.com: asus mypal

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Actually, I meant a physical store...when your needs are as particular as mine, a test-drive is probably a good idea.

Still, it looks like a potential winner...so thanks again.
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Old 4th August 2009, 05:52 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Palm is gasping for breathe. The Pre is its last best ditch for survival. However, its dedicated pdas are gone. They don't make them anymore as of May.

However, dedicated PDA aren't dead, you just have to branch out to Windows Mobile.

The HP IPAQ is still available:

HP® Official Store — Buy an HP iPAQ 111 Classic Handheld (FA979AA#ABA) from HP

I just confirmed this device is available at your office superstore and one the last electronic retailers around (Best Buy).
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I thought about those HP's- they're all over the internet retailers- but couldn't find them at my (closest) Best Buy.

Do you know if their touch screens also accept stylus input (like the Asus claims to be able to do)?
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At least you can get replacement stylus packs for them, it seems (just google for "hp ipaq 111 stylus"), so it seems likely.

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My work purchased a Palm T|X for me a few years ago. I never could get the graphiti 2 to work right. At my best I was *much* slower than ordinary handwriting.

I love tech, but if I write slower than handwriting, I should just use a pad and pen.

I have thought about a smart phone, but meh.

Almost all meetings I have my laptop for notes anyway. Sometimes it gets inconvenient when I have to charge it all the time, etc.
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Yeah, Graphiti 2 is slower, but it does have the advantage of your being able to broadcast your note to someone with a Bluetooth device if you want to share it.
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I'll admit I'm an odd species of geek.

I have little desire to learn how to beam bluetooth information from handheld to handheld or learn how to pair a bluetooth headset to a cellphone.

Give me a server and a copy of Linux I'm happy-as-a-clam.
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I'm not a big fan of Bluetooth either. I don't own a headset for my phone, and the only car I've set up for hands-free is my Mom's...and that's only for her phone.

But for this particular purpose- essentially e-mailing a design without paying for a ISP contract, looking for a WiFi network, or simply using a drive or direct connection of some kind- its quite effective.

And since I use my PDA as a backup contacts database, using Bluetooth to reload a phone or similar device is pretty fast.
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So did you try out any of the Windows Mobile Classic devices?
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I'm still trying to find them in stores!

Office Max stopped selling them in May. Staples still has signs up for them, but there aren't any in store.

IOW, my search continues.

If I can't find a new one to try out, I may just try to track down a refurbished Palm E2 (the model I currently own)...or 2.
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...or 2.
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Another option, depending on your exact needs, is a iPod Touch. It's just like the iPhone without the phone.

According to Mac Rumors buyer's guide there should be a new ipod Touch model out soon. So wait, if you can.
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I'm a Mac dude, and as a result I so want to use an iPhone or iTouch, but unless I miss my guess, they're really not for use with a stylus for sketching, etc.

I've heard rumors that there may be a Mac "pad computer" (or whatever they call those things) coming out soon, which, while bigger than I really want, might be my best option overall.

Sometimes, it sucks to have tech needs & preferences that are at odds with the march of technology companies' product lines.
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the iPhone and iPod Touch stylus is your finger. Then you never lose it....

Or something like that.

The Mactablet is a pretty strong rumor online, priced around $700; about the price of an average laptop.

Whether or not it will come to life, we'll see.

Here is the Onion's (humorous) take on something similar:

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide..._revolutionary
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