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It's funny to hear you say that..I've got both a 360 and a PS3, and I've found the 360 easier to set up as a media server, and it actually works. I've got a library of music I like to play on my home theatre, and with the 360 I can play them. The PS3 can't even *find* them....I think it finds about 3% of the songs, even when pointed at the directory that they're sitting in. I've given up on trying, as I've spent enough time trying to get it to work.
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I found that I had to tell the PS3 to "show all" or something similiar and then I could see the songs in an apparantly empty folder.
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totally worth it, especially for 299. I paid 449 for mine in 07 and im happy with it. The upcoming exclusives (God Of War 3, Uncharted 2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, DC Universe Online) just sweeten the pot.
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I found that I had to tell the PS3 to "show all" or something similiar and then I could see the songs in an apparantly empty folder.
Where did you go to do that? Is that in the settings menu? I'm having a miserable time trying to get my PS3 to stream anything. I can find maybe 6 songs, and I keep getting these DSLM (I think that's the acronym) errors that result in things taking forever.
I've tried Windows Media Player, PS3 Media Player, and Tversity, and have the same problems with all of them. It's aggravating. And Sony's tech support has been utterly useless. They can't tell their....uh...butts from their elbows. They just point out forum posts about optimizing my wireless network....but the network is fine.....all my other devices work fine...the PS3 is the one that has issues.
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This would be a no-brainer purchase for me if I hadn't recently sprung for a HTiB with a Blue-ray player, but alas I did and now I'm wondering what the PS3 has to offer me. There's only a couple of standout PS3 games that spring to my mind (Little Big Planet and MGS4). Does the Sony offer any other features that hedge out the Xbox?
I may be late to this party, but I feel compelled to comment anyway.So far as standout games go in addition to the two you mentioned I'd add:
inFamous
Uncharted 1&2
Heavenly Sword (so long as you get it for cheap, it's really good, but also incredibly short)
God of War 3 (not out yet, but I doubt i what be good)
Pixeljunk Eden (a PSN game)
Those are the exclusives I have (GoW3 being the exception, since it's not out yet).
I went with the PS3 over the 360 because of MGS4 and GoW3 and the lack of any 360 exclusives I cared about that weren't or wouldn't end up on the PC. Uncharted and Heavenly Word were nice bonuses, LittleBigPlanet alone, however, justified my purchase of a PS3. I absolutely love the game and anyone who owns a PS3 needs to give it a try and since there is now a demo out there's no reason not to.
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But yeah, the 360 certainly has the better variety and exclusives right now.
I have a 2 Xbox 360's, a PS3 and a Wii on the console side of our gaming setup.
If you did not already have a Blu-Ray player, I think the PS3 is in the running and maybe surging to the top. But as you do already have a Blu-Ray player, the clear choice is the 360. The 360 has a far larger library of games, far better DLC, better multiplayer live service (note: but it costs $$) and with Natal coming, a long 2-3 year upgrade path where the 360 will continue to be THE major game console that plays all the new Triple A games.
FWIW, the 360 in the living room easily sees the most use in our home. The PS3 is principally used as media server/Blu-Ray player and DVD player. I have about 20 games for the PS3, but three times that number for the 360. (very large library of used games is a big selling point for the 360, imo). The Wii is essentially ignored, even by my four year old. We have a dozen games for it, but we might as well not have any. It's used sporadically maybe once every six months? Something like that. The Wii was a waste of money in my house.
In general, the PS3 is used for games in my home too, but not as much as the 360. Because the DLC and online play is far more robust on the 360 than on the PS3, it is rare that I will ever pick up a game for the PS3 that is also available for the 360. Usually, the PS3 version of a game gets less of the developer's attention - and so it is the inferior product. That's a software issue, not a hardware issue. On the hardware side, the PS3 is a more capable platform. But that advantage is rarely seen in practice. In practice, it's just the opposite by the time a game is released.
I like having both major adult aimed consoles (and the Wii is certainly not aimed at adult gamers) and I would urge anyone to get both a 360 and a PS3 if they can. But If you can afford only one, the Blu-Ray is a big selling point for the PS3. Once that issue is off the table - the advantage to the 360 as a better overall gaming machine with a larger library of games is pretty clear, imo.
Which does not mean that PS3 is not the more capable machine, hardware wise. It is, in fact, a better and more capable platform. But in the real world, the major games are made for both consoles and so any advantages that might go to the PS3's technical edge are rarely, in practice, seen in any game except for exclusive PS3 titles (MGS4 is the best example, LBP and Valkyria Chronicles are other good examples).
Meanwhile, amongst games that are produced for both consoles, (and that is far and away most games in the marketplace), the 360 has a larger market share with more robust DLC, so more of the developer's time and money is spent on the 360 version. The 360 is simply where the most money is to developers. (Note: Notwithstanding this sweeping generalization, Dragon Age appears to play more smoothly and looks better on the PS3 than it does on the 360.)
By the way, my money is on Natal. I think Natal is going to be such a hit for the 360, that the 360 is going to totally capture all momentum in the marketplace from the Wii in the later half of 2010 and all of 2011.
Final result, the 360 is a better overall game console than the PS3 where the rubber meets the road in terms of how it is actually used, even though the PS3 is a more capable machine in terms of hardware potential right now. But with Natal coming in 2010, the choice is clear and the 360 is the winner.
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By the way, my money is on Natal. I think Natal is going to be such a hit for the 360, that the 360 is going to totally capture all momentum in the marketplace from the Wii in the later half of 2010 and all of 2011.
If the potential momentum hasn't been killed by the nasty Red Ring of Death problem. That's one thing that's making me wary about the 360, even though it seems like it has the best overall library, I'm leery about the hardware failure rates. I can't afford to support both of the high-end consoles, and having a 360 that's likely to fail is not a good thing.
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Because the DLC and online play is far more robust on the 360 than on the PS3, it is rare that I will ever pick up a game for the PS3 that is also available for the 360. Usually, the PS3 version of a game gets less of the developer's attention - and so it is the inferior product. That's a software issue, not a hardware issue. On the hardware side, the PS3 is a more capable platform. But that advantage is rarely seen in practice. In practice, it's just the opposite by the time a game is released.
The DLC situation seems to largely be down to MS backing huge trucks of money up to the developers doorsteps. They've been paying for that exclusivity (for a time).
From all the reviews and comparisons I've seen the 360 version does tend to have a slight edge, but it's just a slight edge. Though there is the odd game (F.E.A.R. IIRC) where the PS3 version just sucked compared. I think that was mostly an artifact of when both systems were new. I don't recall that being the case for any of the recent games.
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By the way, my money is on Natal. I think Natal is going to be such a hit for the 360, that the 360 is going to totally capture all momentum in the marketplace from the Wii in the later half of 2010 and all of 2011.
Final result, the 360 is a better overall game console than the PS3 where the rubber meets the road in terms of how it is actually used, even though the PS3 is a more capable machine in terms of hardware potential right now. But with Natal coming in 2010, the choice is clear and the 360 is the winner.
Natal or any of the "motion capture" stuff is pointless without compelling games. Tech like that on it's own, is nothing more than an interesting oddity and I'm not convinced that being able to wave your arms in the air is necessarily better or even more desirable than using a controller for a lot of the things they were showing in the demo video. I certainly don't want to have to be waving my arms in the air for hours while playing GT5/Forza/Tekken/GTA or what ever.
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Natal or any of the "motion capture" stuff is pointless without compelling games. Tech like that on it's own, is nothing more than an interesting oddity and I'm not convinced that being able to wave your arms in the air is necessarily better or even more desirable than using a controller for a lot of the things they were showing in the demo video. I certainly don't want to have to be waving my arms in the air for an hour while playing GT5/Forza/Tekken/GTA or what ever.
Agreed. Unless Natal is one of those things that turns out to be something that I never knew I was missing until I had it in my gaming life I'm not going to care or want to even bother with it.
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Agreed. Unless FATAL is one of those things that turns out to be something that I never knew I was missing until I had it in my gaming life I'm not going to care or want to even bother with it.
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Agreed. Unless FATAL is one of those things that turns out to be something that I never knew I was missing until I had it in my gaming life I'm not going to care or want to even bother with it.
If F.A.T.A.L. (just google it. I'm at work and can't post links to it) is something that you never knew what you were missing until you had it in your life. I'm quite certain I hope to never meet you IRL.
Perhaps you meant "Natal"?
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If F.A.T.A.L. (just google it. I'm at work and can't post links to it) is something that you never knew what you were missing until you had it in your life. I'm quite certain I hope to never meet you IRL.
Perhaps you meant "Natal"?
Hah! I had a feeling that I posted that wrong.
Confirmed.
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Agreed. Unless Natal is one of those things that turns out to be something that I never knew I was missing until I had it in my gaming life I'm not going to care or want to even bother with it.
Sure, it's about the games. Microsoft is saying that Natal will launch a year from now with 14 titles that support it.
How good will that support be? Well that's another question entirely.
But look - we all wanted that light sabre to play a Force Unleashed or KotOR style game on the Wii. The desire for the game was so high, housings for Wii controllers were made and released - and there is still no damn game to actually use them with. Instead, we got the forgettable Red Steel, which only showed that the rest of the Wii hardware simply isn't up to the task.
If we get a Natal capable Fable 3 which allows for sword play and genuinely cool spell casting via gestures? I don't think spellcasting is going to be a hard sell around these parts.
As for Natal nods to Star Wars...how cool would something like SW Battlegrounds be with gesture controls for Darkside electrical attacks? I'm guessing, very - provided it actually works!
For the most part, I agree that we will see Natal used initially to capture more casual gamers in the same manner that the Wii used its controllers (and price) to do so. The difference is, the 360 has an installed hardcore gamer base with HD capability to provide a ready made audience of millions. Price for Natal appears to be aimed in the $50 to $79.99 range. Less than a DJ hero controller.
Or as part of a system price which will be less than $299?
Sure, it's about the games. Microsoft is saying that Natal will launch a year from now with 14 titles that support it.
How good will that support be? Well that's another question entirely.
But look - we all wanted that light sabre to play a Force Unleashed or KotOR style game on the Wii. The desire for the game was so high, housings for Wii controllers were made and released - and there is still no damn game to actually use them with. Instead, we got the forgettable Red Steel, which only showed that the rest of the Wii hardware simply isn't up to the task.
If we get a Natal capable Fable 3 which allows for sword play and genuinely cool spell casting via gestures? I don't think spellcasting is going to be a hard sell around these parts.
As for Natal nods to Star Wars...how cool would something like SW Battlegrounds be with gesture controls for Darkside electrical attacks? I'm guessing, very - provided it actually works!
That's the rub. I'm smellin' allota if comin' off Natal.
But seriously, unless it works pretty much like the interface in Minority Report it's not going to do what we all really want it to do. I'm not seeing any real precise movements in any of the videos and I'm in no way convinced it could accurately give us a proper lightsaber duel or be precise enough for targeting smaller objects with spells/guns and the like. And then there's the whole walking around thing.
If it does, great! I gotta see it to believe it.
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For the most part, I agree that we will see Natal used initially to capture more casual gamers in the same manner that the Wii used its controllers (and price) to do so. The difference is, the 360 has an installed hardcore gamer base with HD capability to provide a ready made audience of millions. Price for Natal appears to be aimed in the $50 to $79.99 range. Less than a DJ hero controller.
Or as part of a system price which will be less than $299?
I call that a big win.
The Wii was really fun for the first few days. Natal takes away the controller and adds voice to it which could open up some really cool games. As you said, that will tap MS into the same crowd that flocked to the Wii. The casual gamer market has proven to be too large for another company to not take a bite out of so it was just a matter of time. I guess we'll see how much of that market comes to the Xbox once Nintendo makes a price drop to combat Natal. At that point it will all come down to who has the better game offerings.
Either way, that isn't taking customers away from Sony assuming they are buying the system for more "serious" gaming or for the Blu-ray capabilities.
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I think fighting games (be it with lightsabers or with bare hands) should be a lot of fun even for a "serious" gamer. Other games are probably more for the "casual" player and for party games. Which is still pretty cool.
I am not sure I can see myself playing a Command & Conquer IV, Never Winter Nights 3, Need for Speed or X-Wing vs Tie Fighter II with it, and that would be the kind of games I personally would prefer.
The real challenge with new types of controls is to make new types of games that benefit from it, i think.
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The fact of the matter Nintendo for the most part actually made using the Wii motion controls interesting to people. They took a gimmicky idea and made it work with the software they put out. I have zero faith in Microsoft actually producing any quality content for Natal. Innovative technology is great, but if you never do anything with it then there is no point.
As to the subject of the thread, I'd for sure call the PS3 a good buy. The library of games is really good and as others have said it works well as a media server.
Plus I've had zero problems with my PS3 while I'm on my fourth 360 in two years, so I may be just a bit biased on that end.
Nintendo developments for the Wii are all supposed to be pretty solid; they developed the system in the first place, and they know what they're doing with it. Third-parties are more hit and miss. A lot of them have churned out shovelware crap that apes Wii Sports and Wii Play, yet those two titles seem to be indended by Nintendo as more of a demo of the system's capabilities (and in the case of Wii Play, also a sort of tutorial on the Wiimote). Some third-parties have tried making some real use out of the Wiimote but the results have been mixed with some good games and some mediocre.
The same thing could happen with Natal. The developers may not step up to the plate and deliver games that are worth it. Microsoft also has the disadvantage of being more reliant on third-parties than Nintendo, so more bad third party games using Natal support will probably hurt them more.
On the upside, Microsoft looks like they're being far more serious about competing with Nintendo's Wii controls and putting more thought into it than Sony did with their Sixaxis controller.
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I got the PS3 and Wii. The PS3 serves mostly as a blu-ray player. Valkyria Chronicles, Uncharted and Assassin's Creed are all good games. The Wii is the crowd pleaser during parties. Never had a X-box so I can't comment on that, still have a PS2 in the other room! But I have no complaints about the PS3, really solid, nice controller design, worthwhile purchase!
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