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Old 27th April 2008, 12:08 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I actually see person hunting falling into Kay's role and expertise as a CorSec officer with her Gather Info, and Knowledge of Criminology and Psychology.

Istara has the electronic means of hunting info/people down with her Trace Talent and Skill Focus in Computers, and Kay is the more face to face side of it with her Gather Info.
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Old 27th April 2008, 12:31 AM   #82 (permalink)
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OK, I changed the above post to reflect the new suggestion.

Thanks for your understanding and patience AMG. I know players like me can be annoying. tinkering with the rules is fun and exciting.
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And you got a sandwich out of it too.Nisha said. “Our sandwiches come with attempted assassination plots. New sales gimmick!

"Chuck Norris is the reason Ilmater suffers."
by Simplicity in thread "Humor - Chuck Norris to be in the 4e Core Pantheon"

"English is not nice, comfy, orderly language. As others have noted - in dark alleys, it mugs other languages and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar. Do you think that after committing such molestation that English is going to be particularly prissy about where it sticks which plural?"
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Old 27th April 2008, 12:48 AM   #83 (permalink)
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When buying equipment, do we need to factor in licenses, or just buy at list cost and done?

And I was sooooo close to buying a missile launcher, but I'll leave that for the demo expert. :P
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Old 27th April 2008, 01:02 AM   #84 (permalink)
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While I prefer the two converted weapons that Shalimar posted, I'm willing to work with this one after toning it down a bit. Mainly since it IS priced pretty damn high to account for it being good.

Still, here are my concerns with it at the moment. The damage feels too high. A rifle with serious range like that doing as much damage as a heavy blaster or a heavy repeating blaster just rubs me the wrong way.
FWIW, the generic sniper rifle (which was cut from the core rulebook) did standard blaster rifle damage, had no autofire mode, and was an accurate weapon. I don't remember how much GMSarli priced it out as; probably 1500-2500 credits. Add 2000 credits for an extra damage mod, and you've got the blast you've proposed.
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Old 27th April 2008, 01:07 AM   #85 (permalink)
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Feel free to give suggestion on what my pilot should carry/have........... I haven't gotten to put much time into equipment yet.
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Old 27th April 2008, 01:17 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Feel free to give suggestion on what my pilot should carry/have........... I haven't gotten to put much time into equipment yet.
Depends how you build your pilot; it's probably the one role that every class in the game can do reasonably well.

Non-soldier/jedi pilots are usually pistol fighters out of combat. Soldier pilots will want an armored flight suit; others will want a flight suit. You'll probably want an astromech droid.
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Old 27th April 2008, 02:05 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Character sheet is up...... well a draft of it.


He is not force sensitive, yet. Depending on how the playing goes, he may or may not become force sensitive. I'd like to see how he "feels" first.


Kyne


Race: Human
Class: Scout 4
Age: 21
Height: 1.8m
Weight: 80kg

Str: 10 +0 mod
Dex: 16 +3 mod (15 + 1 level adj)
Con: 10 +0 mod
Int: 14 +2 mod
Wis: 16 +3 mod (15 + 1 level adj)
Cha: 10 +0 mod

Speed: 6
Dmg Threshold: 18

Defense
Fort: 13 (10 + 2 armor + 1 class + 0 con)
Ref: 20 (10 + 5 armor + 2 class + 3 dex)
Will: 17 (10 + 4 level + 0 class + 3 wis)

Base Attack: +3
Blaster Pistol: +6 dmg: 3d6+2 /2d6+2
Blaster Carbine: +6 dmg: 3d8+2 /2d8+2

Talents:
Acute Senses---reroll perception check, must take the reroll
Improved Initiative--- reroll init, must take the reroll

Feats:
Weapon Proficiency (simple, pistols, rifles) **class
Armor Proficiency (light) **bonus
Running Attack **bonus
Vehicular Combat **racial bonus
Improved Damage Threshold **1st level
Skill Focus (pilot) **3rd level

Skill:
Initiative: 10 (2 level + 3 dex + 5 trained)
Knowledge (tactics): 9 (2 level + 2 int + 5 trained)
Knowledge (Galatic Lore) 9 (2 level + 2 int + 5 trained)
Mechanics: 9 (2 level + 2 int + 5 trained)
Perception: 10 (2 level + 3 wis + 5 trained)
Pilot: 15 (2 level + 3 dex + 5 trained + 5 skill focus)
Stealth: 10 (2 level + 3 dex + 5 trained)
Survival: 10 (2 level + 3 dex + 5 trained)



Equipment


Armor Flightsuit
Astromech R2 Droid
Blaster Pistol
Blaster Carbine w/ scope
Knife
Long Range Comlink (encrypted)
Field Kit
Utility Belt
Electrobinoculars
Aquata Breather
5x power packs
Hip Holster
Enhanced Low Light Targeting Scope
Credits Chip: 11,475



Feel free to suggest more equipment The field kit and utility belt hold quite a bit of the things I feel would be needed for a proper pilot.
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Old 27th April 2008, 03:55 AM   #88 (permalink)
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How about a Security Kit (Mechanics) , Electrobinoculars, Sensor Kit, Aquata Breather, All Temperature Cloak, Credit Chip, and Mesh Tape, Targeting Scope, Banolier with Grenades (since I got rid of mine )?
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And you got a sandwich out of it too.Nisha said. “Our sandwiches come with attempted assassination plots. New sales gimmick!

"Chuck Norris is the reason Ilmater suffers."
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"English is not nice, comfy, orderly language. As others have noted - in dark alleys, it mugs other languages and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar. Do you think that after committing such molestation that English is going to be particularly prissy about where it sticks which plural?"
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Old 27th April 2008, 04:12 AM   #89 (permalink)
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Some of that comes with the field kit and utility belt. I'm not sure I could figure out why I had a Security Kit on Kyne, same with grenades. Binocs are a good idea though....
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Old 27th April 2008, 04:16 AM   #90 (permalink)
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OK, I changed the above post to reflect the new suggestion.

Thanks for your understanding and patience AMG. I know players like me can be annoying. tinkering with the rules is fun and exciting.
Its not annoying at all. If anything, it shows that Saga could really use an Arms and Equipment guide soon! One of my favourite books from the Revised stuff. So many fun toys...

But yeah, looking at the stats now I think that, for the price, its good. Considering that its about double the cost of the 'standard' with enough improvements to justify that but still not become the best weapon overall, methinks its in a good spot.

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When buying equipment, do we need to factor in licenses, or just buy at list cost and done?
...I think having a weapon's license is going to be the least of your problems. I mean, really, what are they going to arrest you for? Not having the proper license for your blaster or shooting ten Stormtroopers with it?

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Overall stats look good. Only two things I'd ask of you to put in there along with everything else...the first is if you could indicate where the 4th level stat increases went and the second being putting in that half-character level bonus to damage with the blaster damage.
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Old 27th April 2008, 04:33 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Fixed. Now I need to just fix his bio...
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Old 27th April 2008, 04:55 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Can I at least suggest giving it a major penalty to hit at point blank and short range since it has so many benifits to hit at long range?

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Its not annoying at all. If anything, it shows that Saga could really use an Arms and Equipment guide soon! One of my favourite books from the Revised stuff. So many fun toys...
I don't know, I mean star wars isn't like DnD its not about the goodies. Or at least magic weapons ie Master Craft. Its more about the character capabilities then what they are carrying.

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Can I at least suggest giving it a major penalty to hit at point blank and short range since it has so many benifits to hit at long range?
Ack, yes.

That was something in the first writeup of the rifle that I think fits very well to help balance it out. Would definitely agree it should stay in, considering the scope, range bonus, etc.
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And you got a sandwich out of it too.Nisha said. “Our sandwiches come with attempted assassination plots. New sales gimmick!

"Chuck Norris is the reason Ilmater suffers."
by Simplicity in thread "Humor - Chuck Norris to be in the 4e Core Pantheon"

"English is not nice, comfy, orderly language. As others have noted - in dark alleys, it mugs other languages and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar. Do you think that after committing such molestation that English is going to be particularly prissy about where it sticks which plural?"
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-2 at Point Blank and Short? Alrighty.
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And you got a sandwich out of it too.Nisha said. “Our sandwiches come with attempted assassination plots. New sales gimmick!

"Chuck Norris is the reason Ilmater suffers."
by Simplicity in thread "Humor - Chuck Norris to be in the 4e Core Pantheon"

"English is not nice, comfy, orderly language. As others have noted - in dark alleys, it mugs other languages and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar. Do you think that after committing such molestation that English is going to be particularly prissy about where it sticks which plural?"
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Old 27th April 2008, 05:34 AM   #96 (permalink)
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AMG, is this about right?

Sorosub Nightstalker (Ltd. Sniper Rifle)
Cost: 4000 Damage: 3d8+2 RoF: S
Weight: 4.5kg Type: Energy Availability Military

Range: PB (0): 0-30 Short (-2): 31-60 Med (-5): 61-150 Long (-10): 150-300 Extreme Range (-15): 301-450


Special:
-Extreme Range: that goes from: 301-450 sq at -15 penalty, however the additional range comes at a cost, the rifle gets only 25 shots per power pack, half of what a normal rifle gets
-Low-light Targeting scope: A standard Low-light Targeting scope, . The Scope may be removed to treat the rifle as a standard blaster rifle. Adding/Removing the scope requires 10 minutes and a DC 10 mechanics check
-Balanced for Range: The rifle is specially balanced for long range granting a +1 Bonus to attack at Medium, Long, and Extreme Range. The balancing and targetting scope also Applies a -5 to hit at Point Blank and Short Range

To Breakdown what you get:
1,000 cr (Standard Blaster Rifle)
1,000 cr (Low light Scope)
2,000 cr (+2 Damage customization)
-5 to hit at Point Blank & Short Range/+1 to hit at Medium-Extreme Range
Extreme Range/ 25 Shots per Power Pack

there is a drawback to every benifit that isn't paid for outright meaning its balanced to the standard guns. Its not clearly better or worse than anything else, just different. Carrying a Heavy Blaster pistol as a side-arm even negates the major downside of the weapon.

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-Low-light Targeting scope: A standard Low-light Targeting scope, Applies -5 to hit at Point Blank and Short Range. The Scope may be removed to treat the rifle as a standard blaster rifle. Adding/Removing the scope requires 10 minutes and a DC 10 mechanics check
I understand your desire to ensure it is balanced, but this makes the rifle completely unusable in a normal combat. Normal combats happen at PB to Short ranges. I will be lucky to be able to fire it at medium+ ranges.

With what I have it takes a free action to switch over the scope and then I still suffer a -2 to hit. I have a reduced chance to hit, but a chance still. A -5 is really steep. Perhaps the total penalty for shooting in PB-Short range with the scope on is -5 and with the Scope flipped over (free action) is -2.
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And you got a sandwich out of it too.Nisha said. “Our sandwiches come with attempted assassination plots. New sales gimmick!

"Chuck Norris is the reason Ilmater suffers."
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"English is not nice, comfy, orderly language. As others have noted - in dark alleys, it mugs other languages and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar. Do you think that after committing such molestation that English is going to be particularly prissy about where it sticks which plural?"
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The blaster rifle, according to errata, has Accuracy +1 at short range. I am moving out and extending the bonus to the long ranges which do not get used very often.

A -5 is over kill for the extending of the bonuses to the far ranges. A -2 applied at the most used ranges should be enough.
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And you got a sandwich out of it too.Nisha said. “Our sandwiches come with attempted assassination plots. New sales gimmick!

"Chuck Norris is the reason Ilmater suffers."
by Simplicity in thread "Humor - Chuck Norris to be in the 4e Core Pantheon"

"English is not nice, comfy, orderly language. As others have noted - in dark alleys, it mugs other languages and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar. Do you think that after committing such molestation that English is going to be particularly prissy about where it sticks which plural?"
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How about we extend the short range to include PB, that way the rifle does not have a PB.

This way I suffer the -2 from the rifle and -2 from the extended Short Range? This will put my PB/Short and Medium and Long ranges to exactly the same bonus to hit. Then we do not worry about the scope being on or off at all.

How does that sound?
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And you got a sandwich out of it too.Nisha said. “Our sandwiches come with attempted assassination plots. New sales gimmick!

"Chuck Norris is the reason Ilmater suffers."
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"English is not nice, comfy, orderly language. As others have noted - in dark alleys, it mugs other languages and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar. Do you think that after committing such molestation that English is going to be particularly prissy about where it sticks which plural?"
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Why not just carry a side arm for close range combat? A heavy blaster pistol does the same 3D8 damage. Sniper Rifles aren't designed for close combat, and snipers are always issued side arms for exactly that reason.
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