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These are series of polls regarding the creation of a new PbP ENWorld Living World, using the new 4th Edition rules. HERE IS A SHORT INTRODUCTION TO 4TH EDITION ENWORLD.
If you want to get involved and put your stamp on the world early visiting the discussion thread and putting in your two cents would be an easy way to do that - you do not need to read the whole thread. Just skim the INTRODUCTION and come to the last page of the discussion thread.
This is the third nomination thread/poll where we will nominate members to be facilitators (see below) and decide on the number of facilitators.
Voting on facilitators will begin in two weeks. (Roughly Monday August 11th)
A L4W Facilitator will be a pointman person on the creation of the L4W setting. They will strive to help drive forward the communities effort to create an inclusive, vibrant setting.
Please be sure to review Desirable characteristics of Judges (as they are largely the same as they would be for facilitators) before nominating someone.
Responsibilities
trying to be neutral and serve the common will of the community (and/or help forge a common consensus)
writing and interpreting the polls that will be used to create L4W in an unbiased and inclusive manner
Be attentive to the needs of the entire community, including trying to figure out ways to make minorities on certain issues (available character creation options, etc) happy and exited about playing in L4W.
Writing and maintaining the Wikis that define the setting.
L4W facilitators will act as "judges" when necessary during the initial period however they will not necessarily be judges when the campaign gets started.
pushing forward the roadmap, encouraging people to add additional material to the setting, proactively (AND POLITELY) communicating with the moderators on behalf of the community, etc.
ALSO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN L4W PLEASE CONSIDER JOINING THE GROUP; IT IS AN EASY WAY TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR INTEREST AND WILL BE HELPFUL IN ALLOWING THE ENWORLD MODERATORS TO DECIDE WHETHER TO CREATE A LEW SUB-FORM OR NOT
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Interested in playing 4th edition online? The Living 4th EnWorld Campaign is open! [character creationwikiforum]
I am in an interesting period of my life; I will post in games that I run three times a week (M,W,F); and try to maintain obligations in existing games.
...disquieting...
There was no end to his patience and endurance. He played day and night, his obsession was somewhat disquieting. It was less as if he were playing to dispel gloom or beguile tedium than as if he were giving himself up to the fangs of gaming devils."
Kawabata Yasunari - The Master of Go
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Interested in playing 4th edition online? The Living 4th EnWorld Campaign is open! [character creationwikiforum]
I am in an interesting period of my life; I will post in games that I run three times a week (M,W,F); and try to maintain obligations in existing games.
...disquieting...
There was no end to his patience and endurance. He played day and night, his obsession was somewhat disquieting. It was less as if he were playing to dispel gloom or beguile tedium than as if he were giving himself up to the fangs of gaming devils."
Kawabata Yasunari - The Master of Go
He has been an active poster in the Discussion Threads addressing both crunch and fluff and demonstrating a strong background in mythology (hey a bit of learning never hurt anyone).
He's produced the only setting element so far that has met with a universally* positive response (the proposed pantheon). While he's primarily a player (including in my game where he's been a proactive and helpful participant in world building) he's also running an active 4th edition game (ICOOC).
*=I haven't seen any objections anyway. And a bunch of people like it.
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Interested in playing 4th edition online? The Living 4th EnWorld Campaign is open! [character creationwikiforum]
I am in an interesting period of my life; I will post in games that I run three times a week (M,W,F); and try to maintain obligations in existing games.
...disquieting...
There was no end to his patience and endurance. He played day and night, his obsession was somewhat disquieting. It was less as if he were playing to dispel gloom or beguile tedium than as if he were giving himself up to the fangs of gaming devils."
Kawabata Yasunari - The Master of Go
Hey graf, thanks! Actually I'd like to nominate you
I don't think there's need to post links as anyone interested in the project sees that Graf has been the most active poster in the discussion. Also, he has posted a GREAT concept for a setting (IMPERIUM) and is in general a very creative setting-writer as I can testify being a player in one of his games.
You are a Shield. A Wall, a Fort. You are chained in your role. You must not stray.
Arden d'Miral in Charwoman Gene's "Retaking of forgehold" Illian Soulstorm in Jemal's "Past Tense" Titan in Drothgery's "Keep on the Shadowfell" Lukas in SarahRequiem's "8 years ago, the world ended..."
One rogue...
to flank them all.
One rogue to find them.
One rogue to blind them all and in darkness... STAB them.
Hey graf, thanks! Actually I'd like to nominate you
I don't think there's need to post links as anyone interested in the project sees that Graf has been the most active poster in the discussion. Also, he has posted a GREAT concept for a setting (IMPERIUM) and is in general a very creative setting-writer as I can testify being a player in one of his games.
I must second the vote for Graf! From what I've seen a dedicated individual with a strong desire for this L4W to work!
No nominations here (I certainly agree with those so far, though), but I'll explain why I voted for 5 facilitators. It's enough for them to have a good discussion on anything that comes up, but also an odd number so as to avoid ties on any necessary voting.
__________________ Gary Hoggatt - www.garyh.net "Such heroic nonsense..."
You are a Shield. A Wall, a Fort. You are chained in your role. You must not stray.
Arden d'Miral in Charwoman Gene's "Retaking of forgehold" Illian Soulstorm in Jemal's "Past Tense" Titan in Drothgery's "Keep on the Shadowfell" Lukas in SarahRequiem's "8 years ago, the world ended..."
One rogue...
to flank them all.
One rogue to find them.
One rogue to blind them all and in darkness... STAB them.
I haven't voted yet on the number of facilitators needed. While I'm flattered to be nominated, and I certainly intend to do what I can to help facilitate L4W, I'm not sure I understand how it would help to hold the title of "facilitator". Reading the list of things that a facilitator does, those are all -- or almost all -- things that I'm trying to help do now as much as I'm able, and I don't really see myself stopping if someone (who?) were to decide (how? when?) that I wasn't suitable as a "facilitator".
The only thing I can see on that list that would perhaps be better handled by a single person or small group of people than by the community as a whole is the process of communicating with the mods to get the forum made in the first place. Once it's made, we -- that is, anyone who wants -- can post there and we can work it all out ourselves.
So, Graf, while I applaud your enthusiasm and initiative to get L4W going, I think maybe you'd better put me down as a vote for 0 facilitators. Or an infinite number. Or perhaps one, but that person's only responsibility would be posting in the Meta forum asking for a new sub-forum, once we get some kind of consensus on what to call it.
I hope that made some kind of sense. I'm not trying to throw cold water on anyone, really, I just want this process to be as quick and uncomplicated as we can make it, and the facilitators idea seems like an unnecessary layer of indirection to me.
I voted 5 as well, but having read more carefully I am with Covaithe, I don't quite understand the point of facilitators being nominated. I'd thought it was similar to a judge in other Living worlds. With it being someone who participates in the prep work to get L4W going, I don't think it needs nomination. Those with voices will speak up and offer their opinions.
Ditto, though either way I went with Garyh's outstanding insight into the realm of mathematics incase something does indeed have to go to a more tight knit vote.
Ditto, though either way I went with Garyh's outstanding insight into the realm of mathematics incase something does indeed have to go to a more tight knit vote.
Graf... can you change my vote (I'm an idiot) and voted for 4.... I realize now that 5 is the correct # to have, to resolve a tie, as the other posters have pointed out.
Graf... can you change my vote (I'm an idiot) and voted for 4.... I realize now that 5 is the correct # to have, to resolve a tie, as the other posters have pointed out.
You are a Shield. A Wall, a Fort. You are chained in your role. You must not stray.
Arden d'Miral in Charwoman Gene's "Retaking of forgehold" Illian Soulstorm in Jemal's "Past Tense" Titan in Drothgery's "Keep on the Shadowfell" Lukas in SarahRequiem's "8 years ago, the world ended..."
One rogue...
to flank them all.
One rogue to find them.
One rogue to blind them all and in darkness... STAB them.
Ditto, though either way I went with Garyh's outstanding insight into the realm of mathematics incase something does indeed have to go to a more tight knit vote.
I took a year each of calculus, statistics, and econometrics in college! I'm glad it's been useful for something.
__________________ Gary Hoggatt - www.garyh.net "Such heroic nonsense..."
For a 4th edition Living World. I would say at least 4, so I vote for 5 to make sure there would be enough. Also, it allow to not have ties when it come to votes.
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Looks like there's a pretty strong consensus for the number five, which, while I'm still not sure that facilitators are needed, will help when we start to talk about judges. Which I think will be pretty soon.
I'm not sure I understand how it would help to hold the title of "facilitator".
I hope that made some kind of sense. I'm not trying to throw cold water on anyone, really, I just want this process to be as quick and uncomplicated as we can make it, and the facilitators idea seems like an unnecessary layer of indirection to me.
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Originally Posted by Erekose13
I don't quite understand the point of facilitators being nominated. I'd thought it was similar to a judge in other Living worlds.
The "facilitator" role is/was my counter argument to your judge suggestion.
I'm not a tremendous fan of giving people positions of authority in a creative process. But it seemed popular to "elect some judges now" so I went ahead and tried to post a role that seemed to more closely match what we're doing.
1. I personally agree that we should continue to have it be a community effort; that's why I was in favor of a smaller number of people (less echo chamber).
2. People (or at least Ata) have expressed a skepticism, which I share, of being elected a judge of an undefined setting with an undefined mission/role (I've written some stuff of course). As I mentioned elsewhere... what are you going to judge...? What if the setting turns out radically different from a setting I think would be fun...? etc etc.
So I tried to define the role in a way that myself (and presumably Ata, etc) would like to actually do.
3. judging an existing setting is radically different than trying to build a new one. I think giving people "authority" with no guidelines could be messy.
If everything go smoohtly? Facilitator probably = judge.
One or two people who wind up doing a lot of content creation will probably "step down" and become "normal DMs".
We can argue about what the title should means, but you, I think, suggested that we should "elect judges" and I think that while it's fine to pick a few people and designate them "decision makers" I feel ought to just embrace the fact that there's nothing to judge yet and whoever we elect is going to be a facilitator.
But if they have to be called judges to make it work? I can easily edit the page. I would love to see some more nominations.
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Interested in playing 4th edition online? The Living 4th EnWorld Campaign is open! [character creationwikiforum]
I am in an interesting period of my life; I will post in games that I run three times a week (M,W,F); and try to maintain obligations in existing games.
...disquieting...
There was no end to his patience and endurance. He played day and night, his obsession was somewhat disquieting. It was less as if he were playing to dispel gloom or beguile tedium than as if he were giving himself up to the fangs of gaming devils."
Kawabata Yasunari - The Master of Go
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