Death of the dragons (OOC)

[Theroc]

Well, my concern is whether or not it'd be... legal for me to access those materials without first paying for them. I'm not saying I think you did anything illegal, it's just me being paranoid.

I had been considering Paladin/Cleric but after seeing the alignments of those in the Rogue Gallery, I'm leaning away from that a bit. So, I'm not sure what exactly would be good for me to play. Was thinking Warlock/Scout, but as the 'striker' role is well accounted for...

Maybe some form of frontline fighter? A meat shield, if you will.

[hellrazor111]

I allow variants to the paladin, including a lawful neutral, 'Paladin of Order', whos abilities work similar to a neutral cleric. Dislikes the chaotic alignments but cant work with chaotic evil. One of our inactive character was playing one.

[hellrazor111]

Oh and another consideration is our only arcane blaster is an 8 year old.

[Neurotic]

And as for legality, it depends on the country you're living in, but in general the ones guilty of crime are those that posted those PDFs. You are using publicly available material ... which may or may not be intelectual property (and you may not know it even if it is)

We could use little bit more healing power, arcane power and utility caster(s) in that order...

[Voidrazor]

Vosa Vosa, you should certainly play what you want to play. But Mage Armor, not to mention Greater Mage Armor is comparable to any other non-metallic armor that is affordable at this level.

Theroc, you could always take fighting classes on one side and something like Warlock on the other. The Hideous Blow invocation would be pretty awesome in such a build. For any sort of frontliner I suggest a dip into Crusader or Warblade from Tome of Battle. ToB is a good investment if you have moral reservations about accessing it for free. Otherwise you can take a look without using filesharing here. A Cleric/Paladin could also work. Crystal Keep has Paladin variants for all alignments.

[Theroc]

Originally Posted by Voidrazor

Theroc, you could always take fighting classes on one side and something like Warlock on the other. The Hideous Blow invocation would be pretty awesome in such a build. For any sort of frontliner I suggest a dip into Crusader or Warblade from Tome of Battle. ToB is a good investment if you have moral reservations about accessing it for free. Otherwise you can take a look without using filesharing here. A Cleric/Paladin could also work. Crystal Keep has Paladin variants for all alignments.

Yeah, I was trying to see what the group actually needed and work what I wanted to do into it. Gestalt makes that a bit more possible, I imagine. As for the Tome of Battle; It's on my wishlist... which is 200 some dollars long. And, unfortunately money is tight for me atm. I've actually put World of Warcraft on hold so I can put the money towards slowly accumulating that book among others.

Hideous Blow's usefulness depends entirely on whether Hellrazor rules that it provokes an AoO upon it's use. Otherwise it's not particularly useful, as if they are in close for it to be used, if I took a fighting class, I'd likely be better off full attacking.

My main issue once I decide on a class is coming up with one I can play who could be mixed in with a group consisting of evil characters. Which somewhat confused me, as aren't we protecting something?

[Vertexx69]

The way I'm seeing it is that we are just eventually investigating what happened to the dragons in the big picture (overall story arc), but right now we are just trying to open up the road. We haven't even started any kind of main story arc yet. And the great thing about playing evil in 3.5 is that its just the other end of a very grey scale. We don't have to hide that we are greedy and self serving like the goody goodies with the shiney armor and moral self righteousness. Grabhar isn't a mustache twirling villain because he has an evil alignment, he's just selfish, merciless and has no compassion for the starving masses. Hes charming and fun and wild, which many people really like.

What we need is very simple; healing, buffing, range, arcane blaster. A few lvls of bard with a badge of courage, the song of the heart feat and the the inspirational boost spell can give +4 to hit/dmg for everyone, a sorcerer with bands of bloodrage and an empowering spellshard can punch out 30dmg magic missles several times a day. theres lots of options I just learned all about the wonders of the artificer class!

[hellrazor111]

My allowance of evil is that it creates several courses of action for you to take at points in the game. Just no Chaotic Evil. Which is why i have a neutral paladin, it can work with both good and evil.

I rule that Hideous Blow does not provoke an AoO.

[hellrazor111]

Originally Posted by Vertexx69

The way I'm seeing it is that we are just eventually investigating what happened to the dragons in the big picture (overall story arc), but right now we are just trying to open up the road. We haven't even started any kind of main story arc yet. And the great thing about playing evil in 3.5 is that its just the other end of a very grey scale. We don't have to hide that we are greedy and self serving like the goody goodies with the shiney armor and moral self righteousness. Grabhar isn't a mustache twirling villain because he has an evil alignment, he's just selfish, merciless and has no compassion for the starving masses. Hes charming and fun and wild, which many people really like.

What we need is very simple; healing, buffing, range, arcane blaster. A few lvls of bard with a badge of courage, the song of the heart feat and the the inspirational boost spell can give +4 to hit/dmg for everyone, a sorcerer with bands of bloodrage and an empowering spellshard can punch out 30dmg magic missles several times a day. theres lots of options I just learned all about the wonders of the artificer class!

LoL, and kind of why I want to keep War as an NPC until my friend gets back.

[Neurotic]

Except Grabhar just killed two defensless weretigers and earned ire of (i think only) LG char in the party...

Evil may want to dominate the world, but most evil NEEDS IT TO EXIST in order to rule it Therefore they help out...

War can make his shop in the village as it's protector and blacksmith and we'll drop on him occasionaly. Since the is bound to be some problems around he can even level along so that we come to fresh artificer reserve

[Vertexx69]

were you unclear on the mission here? We were sent out to eliminate the weretiger threat, and were offered a possible bonus for each pelt we brought back...thats their skin of you didn't know. They tend to struggle if you try to skin em while their still kickin or if you let them shift back to human form the skin is useless.

[Theroc]

Well, for ranged/Arcane blaster, a Warlock/Scout would fit well. Move 10 feet, use an Eldritch blast which is boosted by the Skirmish mechanic. With Eldritch Spear that means I can hit from 200 feet away at increased damage so long as I move 10 feet each round.

For Buffing/Blaster, Warlock/Sorcerer(Kinda obvious results.)

Or if a healer was needed Warlock/Cleric(but I think Voda was going to go the heal-y route.)

[Neurotic]

Don't were creatiures return to normal form if slain. And 'eliminate were threat' can be done by returning those afflicted to be cured (or tried and killed), which is what Marius suggested several times. That is also mission accomplished.

[Voda Vosa]

Sorry guys, RL is turning to problematic for me to start a new game. I think it was worth trying, but I don't want to leave yet another character on the road and another game master in needs of NPCing!
Sorry again, good gaming to you all!

[renau1g]

You recruiting hellrazor? If so, who's active?

[hellrazor111]

Originally Posted by renau1g

You recruiting hellrazor? If so, who's active?

Ya I'm recruiting and with Voda Vosa dropping out, I'm still looking for 1-2 more.
Right now we have:
Vertexx
Neurotic
Voidrazor
and possibly Theroc

Originally Posted by Neurotic

Except Grabhar just killed two defensless weretigers and earned ire of (i think only) LG char in the party...

War can make his shop in the village as it's protector and blacksmith and we'll drop on him occasionaly. Since the is bound to be some problems around he can even level along so that we come to fresh artificer reserve .

Don't were creatiures return to normal form if slain. And 'eliminate were threat' can be done by returning those afflicted to be cured (or tried and killed), which is what Marius suggested several times. That is also mission accomplished.

War isn't good, he LN and is indifferent to killing CE creatures.

I like that, he can help the town Smithy, and I can foresee other uses for him.

No one around has the required level to cure the afflicted, but yes the afflicted were creatures return to normal when killed, though if executed(ie. beheaded) the body would change but the head would remain hybrid.

[Neurotic]

I didn't reffer to War. Marius is LG.

[Theroc]

Yeah, just got ahold of a bunch of sources, so I'm running amuck in the 'candy store'.

Thinking maybe a Drow Warlock/Cleric moving into Eldritch Disciple or something similar. How's that sound?

Hellrazor, will you allow the 'Drow of the Underdark' supplement?

[hellrazor111]

Originally Posted by Neurotic

I didn't reffer to War. Marius is LG.

So was I you said: (i think only) LG char in the party... merely stating that u are the only LG character b/c War is Neutral

[Theroc]

I edited in a question into my previous post, Hellrazor, just making sure you saw it.

Imma add another question while I'm at it, do you have access to the Tome of Magic supplement?