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Old 4th May 2009, 02:04 AM   #221 (permalink)
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A bit belated, but Sabastian's overhauled sheet has been posted in the Gallery. There's a large chunk of background missing for you two to do with as you see fit, Sal and Rathan. Otherwise, I think I'm done and just awaiting final approval from you, Jamal
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Old 4th May 2009, 04:12 AM   #222 (permalink)
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Not exactly sure how you want to do background actually.. I added Sal's character into the end of my background.. I guess you two could go into more detail about our adventuring group... Arineil was mostly along for the proverbial ride mostly as she's very stand offish mostly due to her higher calling.....
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Looks like you've been voted as the finalizer then, Sal
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Old 4th May 2009, 04:30 AM   #224 (permalink)
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well as he was the one that 'got the party together' it would be fitting he give it the most detail' really heh.....
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Old 4th May 2009, 04:32 AM   #225 (permalink)
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OK, time to go over characters finally!!

Roronoa -
Your Jump check should have a +20 speed bonus, not 16, thus it should be +87. otherwise Looks GTG.

Rathan -
Your speed is a bit high. Remember that wearing medium armour reduces your base speed to 20, which would then be increased by your barbarian and boot bonuses.

I see your bow listed as +2 comp. Longbow +7, I assume from the pricing that this is +2 magic, +7 str bonus from composite, correct?

By my count you should only have 137 gp remaining.

Onlythestrong -
I'd like to have your actual character in the rogues gallery rather than a link to another site. I understand you won't be able to post it looking like the classic 'character sheet', but a quick glance at other people's sheets will give you a good basic outline you could use to transcribe it.
As far as the actual stats go:
First, you should have 20,000 GP remaining by my count.
Don't forget that your shirt of strength and ring of nat armour/protection actually cost less due to having to be crafted. (Who's crafting them btw?)
Your AC has a few issues:
13 armour bonus listed, but I only see bracers +8. Where's the other 5 coming from?
Also, you have +10 misc.. +9 wisdom/+1 insight?
Where are you adding the monk lvl bonus? Is that why your armour says +13?

I see you have boots of striding and springing, but unfortunately they do not stack with the monk's speed bonus. Both are enhancement bonuses, thus you use whichever is greater, they don't add together (Like named bonuses never stack unless they are dodge bonuses or specifically say that they DO stack)

You forgot to add the speed bonus to your jump check (With a speed of 90', Tagret should have a +24 misc modifier to his jump checks)

You don't have languages known listed, and you need to point out when you actually write out the sheet how each of your stats got to what it was (Base, enhancement, lvl, inherent, racial, etc).

Ethandrew -
Your Cold Iron Bastard sword should cost 35 gp more (You forgot to double the base cost for it being cold iron), and your bow should cost 1000 more (the base MW Composite(+6) Long bow will cost 1,000 by itself, +2000 for magic.)
You should have 57,295 gp remaining
Your HP should be 243
Your Initiative is listed as +11, but I only see 10 dex.

I do have one mechanical suggestion: Find a way to get yourself at least 5 ranks in tumble. It's always a useful skill to have (Especially for a finesseful fighter), AND it gives you a good option in fighting defensively (Which is made even better by your Two-weapon defense feats). With 5 ranks in tumble, you could fight defensively to take a -4 atk penalty for a +6 ac bonus: Better than expertise.

Voidrazor -
As I asked OnlytheStrong, I'd prefer a sheet actually in the rogues gallery over an external link.

Now, to the meat: First, I don't recall allowing Lion Totem Barbarian - I usually say no to this b/c I dislike pounce, if you could point out where I said OK, then you can keep it. Otherwise, no pouncing.

By my counting you should have 91,855 gp remaining.

Is the 'Efficient quiver' Just a renamed quiver of ehlonna?
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Why do you have Skillful on your weapon? Your BAB is allready better than what it gives you. Also I'm not sure why you made your weapons sizing, as they'd be rather difficult to wield while you're a bear, and I don't see any other way of changing your size.

Why do you have a +7 misc mod to saves? If that's your paladin charisma bonus it should be +9 for your 28 Charisma.
Also, you should have a +4 initiative, not +3 (It's a Dex check and your ioun stone adds +1 to ability checks)

Also, you need to point out when you actually write out the sheet how each of your stats got to what it was (Base, enhancement, lvl, inherent, racial, etc). I notice you're including the warshaper bonus to str/con in your listed stats. This is innapropriate, as you only gain the warshaper abilities WHEN you're shifted into another form, they are not permanent.

Shayuri -
You forgot to craft your Vest of Resistance, you have it listed as bought normally, but it's not a core item.

You and your cohort have spent too much money. You've spent 265,740 on your cohort, but a lvl 18 NPC only gets 130,000. I figured the rest of it may have been from you, but a look over your gear shows that you spent 991,090 gp on your own gear, and have listed 9625 left (Should be 8910).

Cohort issues:
Your cohort also has an uncrafted +5 Vest of Resistance
HP Should be 106 (6 first HD, 48 for 12d6, 52 for 18 con)
Ref Save: Should be 22 (Base 8 + 9 Dex + 5 Resistance)

Rpgramen -
It's JEMAL, only 1 A, please. Someone mispells my name every second day, and it makes me kinda twitchy.

I noticed you have several Non-Core Items, but don't have them listed as being crafted. In order to have non-core items, they must be crafted by a PC crafter. I also need to know where they're from and what they do before that's allowed, too.
Infinite Scrollcase (2800gp)
Field Provisions Box (2000gp)
+5 Glamered Mithral Breastplate of Elusion (76,700gp)
Spool of Endless Rope (4500gp)
Heward's Fortifying Bedroll (2000gp)
Armbands of Might (4100gp)

Also, your Vest of Resistance requires crafting as well, for having a different-than-printed slot.

Too many languages, Should get Common +3 (Base 16 Int)
You've spent 11,513gp too much


EVERYBODY:

I noticed this on a lot of sheets so I figured I'd point it out here :
Don't forget that your speed modifies your jump check. -6 for each 10' below 30, +4 for each 10' above 30. This is not counted in the +5 from the boots of striding and springing (The +5 is part of the 'springing')

OH, and BTW, as it IS a high level campaign, and I guarantee it'll come up:
Who can partake in/contribute to aerial combat without aid from another party member, and how?

And Finally, I'd like to start this game pretty soon, So I'd like to have all characters finallized(Stats and background) by next tuesday (the 12th), so I can start the game either that night or the next day (As those're my days off)
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Old 4th May 2009, 04:44 AM   #226 (permalink)
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k, jump skill fixed.
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Old 4th May 2009, 04:46 AM   #227 (permalink)
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I was hoping templates were going to be allowed so I could have some celestial feathered wings.. unfortunately that never happened though as such the best I can do in ariel combat is ranged attacks from the ground via my bow....\


Jemal: yes the bow is a +2 magic bow with +7 composite bns from str to dmg....
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Old 4th May 2009, 05:38 AM   #228 (permalink)
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Btw, Voidrazer probably took the Lion Totem thing because its in complete champion, which is one of the allowed sources. Doesn't stop you from vetoing it, just thought I'd mention why he hasn't asked before.
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Old 4th May 2009, 05:43 AM   #229 (permalink)
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You forgot to craft your Vest of Resistance, you have it listed as bought normally, but it's not a core item.

-- Pesky. It's in Complete Arcane...but fine. I have my cloak slot open, I can take the standard cloak of resistance...

You and your cohort have spent too much money. You've spent 265,740 on your cohort, but a lvl 18 NPC only gets 130,000. I figured the rest of it may have been from you, but a look over your gear shows that you spent 991,090 gp on your own gear, and have listed 9625 left (Should be 8910).

-- Actually, in this very thread, you said he could have 250,000gp. I didn't realize I was over that though. I'll check my math and fix it where needed. I'll correct my gold left as well. That was arithmatical...forgot to add in a few of the cheaper things.

Cohort issues:
Your cohort also has an uncrafted +5 Vest of Resistance
HP Should be 106 (6 first HD, 48 for 12d6, 52 for 18 con)
Ref Save: Should be 22 (Base 8 + 9 Dex + 5 Resistance)


Well, this brings up an issue. Bard needs a Cha booster, but the only core save booster is the same slot. That's the whole reason they made the Vest of resistance in the first place. I don't have enough exp to craft anything more...so what am I supposed to do?

Honestly, the whole hardline "core only" thing can be taken too far. It's just a standard resistance bonus to saves, and it's in Complete Arcane, not some weird, far out splatbook, or the MIC.

*shrug*

Let me know. I'll fix the math stuff up asap.
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Right, Complete champion, forgot about that one, it's not amongst my sources, and I hadn't even thought of it when saying 'complete's..

Shayuri - Ah, so I did say 250, thnx for reminding me.

As far as the 'core only' thing - Exceptions have a tendency to snowball, so I try not to make them for fear of playing favourites or opening the door too wide. I've noticed in most games I GM that it's the equipment PC's have that throws me the most "GRR" moments, and so I'm trying a harder-than-usual approach to it.
How about rod of Splendor for a Cha booster? It's only +4, but it's core and doesn't take up any of your slots, as well as having a couple extras for only 25K.
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Ah. You're right, I did overspend. Mah math skillz! Dey iz week!

Hrm. The armor is actually core. It's a +5 Enhancement with Improved Slick, Improved Shadow, Improved Silent Moves, Glamer, and Mithral, all of which comes from the DMG. It's just too much of a mouthful to say "+5 Glamered Improved Slick Mithral Breastplate of Improved Silent Moves & Improved Shadow. Thus, just shortened to "+5 Mithral Breastplate of Elusion"

As for the amendments to the other items, I dropped the Scrolls of Mass Hold Person x2, and between the crafting cost drops in non-core equipment, it should all pan out now. Corrections follow below:

*Dropped 5 Ranks in Knowledge (History) and put them in Speak Languages, for a total of nine total spoken (Common + 3 INT + 5 Speak Language)

*Cut Non-Core Item Costs in half and factored in XP costs. Also dropped Arcane Scrolls of Mass Hold Person (x2) to push my overexpenditures into equilibrium. The locations of the items in question have also been annotated. With the excess in funds (again, you seriously want to double-check that since my math is horrible), I snagged another Metamagic Rod.

EDIT: Also, in regards to aerial combat Jemal, Sabastian can... sorta. While he lacks a natural ability to fly via items or racial nonsense, he nevertheless can cast Fly and Overland Flight, as well as having a pair of Overland Flight scrolls in his possession.

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Problem there is that a Rod means the bard can't use a bow and arrow, or a two-handed bardic instrument, while wielding it.

Edit

Oh, and both Sigil and Tatter routinely fly. Sigil can fly pretty much at will due to an invocation with a 24 hour duration that can be recast at will. Tatter has a Fly speed. Tatter's faster, but both have Good maneuverability and can hover.

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Problem there is that a Rod means the bard can't use a bow and arrow, or a two-handed bardic instrument, while wielding it.
A Rod of Splendor doesn't have to be held. It just has to be in your possession

"The possessor of this rod gains a +4 enhancement bonus to her Charisma score for as long as she holds or carries the item. Once per day, the rod creates and garbs her in clothing of the finest fabrics, plus adornments of furs and jewels."
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Hmm. I always read that as holding it or carrying it in one's hand. Jemal, could we get a ruling on that?

Also, if it can be done, can a Rod of Splendor be upgraded to +6 Charisma and still be considered core, in the same way that a longsword +1 can be upgraded to a longsword +2 and still be core?

Finally, I double checked Tatter's equipment...and it still seems to come to 250,000. Here's the list:

Equipment: 260gp (coins)
Weapon
Short Sword +5, 50,310
Short Bow +5, 50,330

Subtotal: 100,900

Gear
Masterwork Harp, 100gp
Cloak of Charisma +6, 36,000
Gloves of Dexterity +6, 36,000
Amulet of Health +4, 16,000
Bracers of Armor +4, 16,000
Vest of Resistance +5, 25,000
Ring of Protection +2, 8,000
Goggles of Night, 12,000

Subtotal: 149,100

Total: 250,000
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Shayuri, the DM may have been confused when you mentioned the bracers of armor twice, once in the armor section and once under it. You didn't add the cost twice, but considering the margin of error was 16,000 I think thats what happened. After all, you didn't reprint your swords in the gear section either .
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rpgramen - How much of your XP did you use up for these items? It will affect Chevik since I was utilizing your xp pool for some items.
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Quick question: Are you making a Vest of Resistance (from the MIC), in lieu of the Cloak of Resistance, a specialty item that needs to be created and ergo nonstandard? Or can I purchase that with the same price of the Cloak?
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Cloaks of Resistance are standard. They're in the SRD and everything.

You confuse me, sir.
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rpgramen - How much of your XP did you use up for these items? It will affect Chevik since I was utilizing your xp pool for some items.
Sabastian still has 9432xp unspent (assuming my math is right. You can find that in the RG under his "Crafting Breakdown" tab), so by all means, feel free to take advantage of that
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Cloaks of Resistance are standard. They're in the SRD and everything.

You confuse me, sir.
Maybe I worded it awkwardly.

I would like a Vest of Resistance +5 for 50,000gp. I want to know if that's possible or if I'd need it to be custom made.

The VoR is in the MIC.
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