Gaming W/Jemal: Legends (3.5e d&D) *Recruitment Closed*

[Voidrazor]

Originally Posted by Shayuri

Hey Void...still interested in background ties?

I think I'm about done with the mechanics...I was thinking it'd be fun to discuss some RP stuff now.

Sure. I was thinking that as kids Sigil might have been the 'wild one' always getting in trouble, possibly due to 'imaginary' friends. If that sounds OK, Kaethrynne would stand in stark contrast to that. As a kid K. would have been obedient and primarily concerned with attracting a husband and starting a family.

In any case, Kaethrynne will be emotionally switched off after returning from the afterlife. She'll be taciturn and dark, but eager to martyr herself to protect others.

Did you have any ideas about social class, or other similar background factors?

[OnlytheStrong]

So, Tagret is done since the new rule came out.... Unless the DM has a suggestion the others haven't thought of lol.

[Rathan]

just a quick question to those who have played more epic games than myself.. which is like 2.. lol...

When one is multi-classed like I am (fighter10/barbarian10) how does advancement go.... do I still gain levels in reg fighter and barbarian levels or do I start advancing as an epic fighter or epic barbarian levels listed and the progressions in the epic level handbook?

can you tell I don't multiclass very often? LOL

[rpgramen]

You gain Class Abilities as normal until your respective class breaches into Epic (ex. Fighter 21), at which point it begins following the Epic guidelines, though even that doesn't change for most classes. The second you hit Level 21, you cease following the standard BAB and Saves nonsense, and use the Epic Guidelines in the Epic Level Handbook from then on for those. That's pretty much it, albeit in a highly simplified form.

d20 Hypertext SRD -- Epic Level Basics

[Salthorae]

Originally Posted by Rathan

just a quick question to those who have played more epic games than myself.. which is like 2.. lol...

When one is multi-classed like I am (fighter10/barbarian10) how does advancement go.... do I still gain levels in reg fighter and barbarian levels or do I start advancing as an epic fighter or epic barbarian levels listed and the progressions in the epic level handbook?

can you tell I don't multiclass very often? LOL

You would either have to keep progressing in regular fighter or barbarian, or you could pick up an epic PrC possibly, depending on how Jemal does that kind of thing.

You can't progress as an "epic" class until your class level in that class = 20. For PrC's you can't progress as "epic" unless 1) the PrC is a 10 level, 2) you ARE 10th level in the class & 3) your total levels = 20

I.e. a Ftr 20, could go epic Fighter 21. You a Ftr 10/Bbn 10 would have to go Ftr 11/Bbn 10 or vice versa or pick up a PrC (either epic or not)

A wizard 10/Loremaster 10 could advance as an "epic" Loremaster to Wiz 10/LM 11, but a Wiz 11/LM 9 would have to go either Wiz 12/LM 9 or Wiz 11/LM 10...

Let me know if this confused you!

[Roronoa]

Salthorae: I've been pondering character ties, both for the crafting of my characters items, and the enrichment of the RP section of this game. I was thinking of a storyline tie in between your character and mine in the form of a large scale battle involving Chevik's church in which Oroz's militia is ordered to assist. The two meet between the fighting, become friends and Chevik volenteers to provide Oroz with replacements for his worn out gear to assist with the fighting. Years later when Oroz is forced to leave the militia, he seeks out Chevik again in order to gain new wonderous items to allow him to complete his quest.

Without any background information on Chevik, this is what I came up with. If you have any insight on this topic, please share it.

[Jemal]

Myth
Feel free and post whatever you've got right now, I'm sure someone will be willing and able to help you out with suggestions/nitpicking.

Rpgramen - I'd still suggest against writing it as 19HD. There are several things that affect/base off HD specifically, such as for example Holy Word (and it's other-aligned counterparts), so your Actual HD does matter.

Rathan
To make it official, though others have allready answered the question well:
Your levels would advance as normal, save that you wouldn't gain the 'normal' base save/Base Attack bonus, instead replacing it with the epic progression used by ALL characters above 20th lvl. (Which is to say +1 saves every odd lvl, +1 atk every even lvl). For example if you chose to lvl up as barbarian, you'd be a 10 fighter/11 barbarian, with all the class abilities of a tenth level fighter and an eleventh level barbarian. Your attack bonus wouldn't increase, but you'd gain +1 to all saves.

Your character looks good except her sword costs 2,000 gp too much.
+7 sword costs 98,000, +2000x3(cold iron increase for three enhancements: +4, Holy, Ghost Touched)=6,000. total =104, you payed 106.

As for Fast Healing, I'd suggest following Shayuri's suggestions - Ring Of Fast Heal(300,000) or take it as an Epic Feat after lvling up. I won't be allowing templates, and even if I were, I find Feral kinda OP for its LA.

Onlythestrong - if you've got feats you can swap, Power Attack and Improved Natural Attack(Unarmed Strike) would be my suggestions for a damage buff to an unarmed fighter.

Salthorae -
Could I get some basic info on the Paragnostic Assembly?

Voidrazor -
I'm gonna say no to persistant scrolls

ALL
Just in case, I wasn't aiming my last comment at anyone in particular, I was just noticing a lot of custom items going around, and I'd kindof been hoping they'd be more unique things rather than just "+ X to Y, blahblah" items. No insult was intended in case anybody took it the wrong way.

I'm going to start up a Rogues Gallery right away, feel free to post your updated characters there, and I'll give them a final look-over.

[Shayuri]

I have a question Jemal.

Would you consider making an exception on the crafted non-core rule for one item? Bearing in mind that the warlock came out in Complete Arcane, so by default no warlock-themed items will ever be core. The Rod of Eldritch Power, in Complete Mage, is a magic rod that can "store" a blast invocation for the warlock's use in it. Each rod has a unique invocation built into it, and while the rod is wielded, the warlock can use that invocation as if it was one selected normally.

I'm looking to buy the Greater Invocation, Vitriolic Blast in one such rod...because that invocation doesn't really fit the 'fey' theme to me, but it would work great as part of a magically empowered device.

However, taking Craft Rod for one item is a pretty stiff price above and beyond the gp value. And since there's no chance that item could have ever possibly have been core, because Warlocks themselves aren't core...I was hoping to get an exception to the rule in that one case.

Pwease? *bat lashes*

[Rathan]

I would still gain epic feats at 21st level and every 3 levels after that I would assume as well as per acquiring epics feats description states yes?

now if that is a yes.... if I continue to gain fighter levels.... and I keep getting extra feats in doing so as per the class.... can I take epic feats with those feats given to me by a non-epic class level such as a fighters bonus feats?

[Rathan]

Jemal... what kinda of things are you looking for when you say 'unique' items?.... like character specific? world specific?... give us some examples to we can work on getting them out there... you never know we might like them as much as you would like seeing them out there

[rpgramen]

Originally Posted by Rathan

I would still gain epic feats at 21st level and every 3 levels after that I would assume as well as per acquiring epics feats description states yes?

now if that is a yes.... if I continue to gain fighter levels.... and I keep getting extra feats in doing so as per the class.... can I take epic feats with those feats given to me by a non-epic class level such as a fighters bonus feats?

You mean can you take Epic Fighter Bonus Feats in addition to the other Epic Feats you get every three levels? Presuming you keep leveling Fighter, then yes.

[Rathan]

kinda... what I meant was.... lets say for example I get to 22nd level 10barbarian/12fighter and 12th level fighter I get a bonus feat as per the class... can I take an epic feat for that fighter class feat?... or does it have to be a non-epic feat?

[rpgramen]

Originally Posted by Rathan

kinda... what I meant was.... lets say for example I get to 22nd level 10barbarian/12fighter and 12th level fighter I get a bonus feat as per the class... can I take an epic feat for that fighter class feat?... or does it have to be a non-epic feat?

Yes, it can be an Epic Fighter Bonus Feat, as per the list I just linked you to. You're Epic, and assuming you qualify in all other respects, you have the right to take said feat.

[Rathan]

Any class features that increase or accumulate as part of a repeated pattern also continues to increase or accumulate after 20th level at the same rate. An exception to this rule is any bonus feat granted as a class feature. If a character gets bonus feats as part of a class feature, these do not increase with epic levels. Instead, these classes get bonus feats at a different rate (described in each epic class description).

Actually from what this says.... if I gather it in my mind correctly I would cease to gain regular fighter feats and start gaining them from the epic fighter progression chart (which happen to be the same damned thing so there you go LOL).... seems like a simple thing to me... maybe this epic stuff would make more sense if I READ things more carefully LOL

[Voidrazor]

Originally Posted by Shayuri

Would you consider making an exception on the crafted non-core rule for one item? Bearing in mind that the warlock came out in Complete Arcane, so by default no warlock-themed items will ever be core. The Rod of Eldritch Power, in Complete Mage, is a magic rod that can "store" a blast invocation for the warlock's use in it. Each rod has a unique invocation built into it, and while the rod is wielded, the warlock can use that invocation as if it was one selected normally.

I may be interpreting this incorrectly, but I think Jemal just said nothing could be crafted using the chart. That would still leave items in the Complete books as craftable.

[Salthorae]

Here is some info for you Jemal:

Paragnostic Assembly Info

PARAGNOSTIC ASSEMBLY:

The Paragnostic Assembly is sometimes described as a group of religious fanatics with a scholarly bent, and sometimes as an association of knowledge-seekers with faint religious overtones, depending on who you ask. In truth, this organization's members are scholars, as faithful as they are educated and as knowledgeable as they are zealous. They whole-heartedly believe that knowledge is the ultimate prize and the ultimate power—beyond riches, beyond magic, beyond the gods themselves.

JOINING THE PARAGNOSTIC ASSEMBLY
Those who are already devoted to knowledge or to understanding
the multiverse most commonly petition for entrance to the Paragnostic Assembly. Such classes include clerics, wizards, archivists™, and the more studious bards and psions. However, members of many other classes, including sorcerers, rogues, and warlocks, make up a significant minority. Even druids, monks, and the occasional canny fighter can be found in the organization's ranks.

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS
Skills: Any two Knowledge skills, 3 ranks each.
Special: Intelligence 13 or Wisdom 13.

PLAYING A PARAGNOSTIC ASSEMBLY MEMBER
You are a devoted student—indeed, a worshiper of knowledge. No pursuit is more important than learning new information, clarifying little-understood topics, or rediscovering old secrets. You appreciate the power that knowledge brings, but the search is its own reward. You might use your learning to help others, or you might hoard lore, using it only to empower yourself and your comrades. You never miss an opportunity to display your erudition, which makes you seem arrogant or condescending to others, but you're simply taking advantage of what you know.

[OnlytheStrong]

Would Tagret's natural attacks would go from 2d10 to _______? I also switched out Ki Blast for Leap Attack

[rpgramen]

You mean would your Monk's Unarmed Attack Damage increase at Epic Levels? I'm afraid not. There are, however, alternitives to that (which I think I posted elsewhere) such as Snap Kick and Rapid Blitz from Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords. You'd need to get an approval for that, mind you, but Snap Kick would grant you an additional attack per round at the expense of -2 to all your other attacks that round, and Rapid Blitz gives you an extra +1d6 Damage per attack in the First Round of Combat.

[Shayuri]

I think he meant what would Improved Natural Attack increase his monk unarmed damage to...

The damage tables don't include 2d10.

Going by average results, I'd say probably 4d6.

2d10 averages to 11. 4d6 averages to 14. It seems about the right amount of "kickup" for the feat.

[Jemal]

RE: Fighter feats - The bonuses from lvl 12-20 are bonus nonepic feats. Once you hit 22 in Fighter Class levels, it starts granting bonus epic feats. You would still get the normal epic feat at Character level 21, 24, etc.

Onlythestrong - Shayuri's got it: 4d6, then 6d6,8d6,12d6 if you took it that far.

Shayuri - OY, you hit me in my weak spot, That's a complaint I always have about Warlock too, but I don't want to start making exceptions...
How about this, I'll allow you to make it with the wondrous item feat at X1.5 cost. It'll still function the same (Needs to be held in one hand), but will count as a wondrous item.

Rathan - By Unique I mean something that isn't just taken off a chart to give a buff@will or straight bonus to skill/stat/etc. Ring of the Ram, bag of holding, Intelligent Items, most of the gear in non-core sources are examples of 'unique' items, I suppose. Or something you want to make up that you think would be interesting.
I much prefer items crafted for flavour/coolness/etc than those crafted to buff.