I'm still bloody eager to try my melee Warlock build in Leif's game... granted it relies on the DM ruling Hideous Blow doesn't provoke AoO's... because I can't afford to get smacked around everytime I attack.
A fun build to be sure, but not truly optimized, even with the favorable ruling on Hideous Blow.
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Originally Posted by Theroc
Mind, I've very little D&D experience myself, and as Rhun can attest, I have a tendency to agonize over numbercrunching and optimizing out of a paranoid fear of being unable to pull my weight.
He speaks the truth. It is agonizingly painful to watch Theroc over-analyze EVERY detail of his character. LOL
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Originally Posted by Theroc
(while I know at least ONE person off Enworld who actually wildly enjoys playing a character who routinely gets his arse handed to him during encounters[His character manages to live, but not win]) That would frustrate me.
I had a player for a while who played a rogue and would continuously pick fights with the largest, strongest tanks he could find. He'd always get his ass handed to him, and he had a great time playing the PC. And his antics were fun for everyone else at the table. So, each to their own, I guess.
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Originally Posted by renau1g
I'm not saying a PC shouldn't be able to pull his own weight, but just should play the PC they want. I really, really don't think there are any PC classes out there that suck so hard they shouldn't be played. Now that being said certain classes are much better as a 5th PC when the four main roles are covered (Tank, SKill, Arcane, Divine), read Bard, Dragon Shaman, Marshal, Duskblade, etc... as they aren't strong enough in a certain facet to truly cover it off as well as the specialist.
Again, all dependent on the build and the level of the party. I have found that (at least at lower levels), a duskblade is every bit as good in combat as a fighter. Perhaps even better in some circumstances. I haven't tried playing one at higher levels yet.
__________________ -Rhun
"I believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge - myth is more potent than history - dreams are more powerful than facts - hope always triumphs over experience - laughter is the cure for grief - love is stronger than death." -Robert Fulghum
I'm not saying a PC shouldn't be able to pull his own weight, but just should play the PC they want. I really, really don't think there are any PC classes out there that suck so hard they shouldn't be played. Now that being said certain classes are much better as a 5th PC when the four main roles are covered (Tank, SKill, Arcane, Divine), read Bard, Dragon Shaman, Marshal, Duskblade, etc... as they aren't strong enough in a certain facet to truly cover it off as well as the specialist.
Actually that dip into a fighterish class for heavy armour and martial weapons allows Dragon Shamans to tank just fine. And without slowing down their support role.
__________________ -Andor
"Congratulations. You just invented 'negligent regicide.'" - Schlock Mercenary
Strange i always though epic level bards with +one bajilliion to Bluff and Diplomacy could do some pretty broken things..
I can't say I've ever played an epic bard.
__________________ -Rhun
"I believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge - myth is more potent than history - dreams are more powerful than facts - hope always triumphs over experience - laughter is the cure for grief - love is stronger than death." -Robert Fulghum
Strange i always though epic level bards with +one bajilliion to Bluff and Diplomacy could do some pretty broken things..
Shake, shiver, shiver, shake, shake, flesh floats down in to the floor it's not thier bluff or diplomacy, it's their perfom check, the one that causes an army to sit the slag down. stay away from epic bards in the hands of one who knows them.
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Shake, shiver, shiver, shake, shake, flesh floats down in to the floor it's not thier bluff or diplomacy, it's their perfom check, the one that causes an army to sit the slag down. stay away from epic bards in the hands of one who knows them.
He speaks from experience, and I second the motion.
People say 'anything's good if optimized right', and that's true - but very little beats an optimized bard who can tell the epic big bad vampiric demon prince and his entire balor army to "SIT THE *BLEEP* DOWN!".
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A fun build to be sure, but not truly optimized, even with the favorable ruling on Hideous Blow.
It's the same concept as a greatsword rogue (such as Ishalleatyourflesh's character in my epic game). "I'm a greatsword fighter who gives up an insignificant portion of my attack bonus to add significant damage potential as well as numerous neat little tricks.
People say 'anything's good if optimized right', and that's true - but very little beats an optimized bard who can tell the epic big bad vampiric demon prince and his entire balor army to "SIT THE *BLEEP* DOWN!".
Hmmm...why does the song "Devil went down to Georgia" suddenly just come to mind. Was Johnny an Epic bard?
__________________ -Rhun
"I believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge - myth is more potent than history - dreams are more powerful than facts - hope always triumphs over experience - laughter is the cure for grief - love is stronger than death." -Robert Fulghum
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These I can access rarely:
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A few assorted Monstrous Manuals... I can't recall which ones.
I MAY be able to access the Forgotten Realms and Eberron Campaign settings.
I'm back. Sorry for the delays...been a long week.
__________________ -Rhun
"I believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge - myth is more potent than history - dreams are more powerful than facts - hope always triumphs over experience - laughter is the cure for grief - love is stronger than death." -Robert Fulghum
Accessible at almost any time: http://www.d20srd.org/index.htm
Complete Arcane
Complete Scoundrel
Complete Mage
Complete Divine
Libre Mortis
Heroes of Horror
Drow of the Underdark
Monster Manual 3.5E
Monster Manual 2
DMG/PHB
Psionics Handbook
Expanded Psionics Handbook
Spell Compendium
Tome of Magic
These I can access rarely:
Complete Adventurer
Complete Warrior
Complete Psionic
Races of Stone
Draconomicon
Complete Champion
A few assorted Monstrous Manuals... I can't recall which ones.
I MAY be able to access the Forgotten Realms and Eberron Campaign settings.
I'm going away for a few weeks. I expect I will have irregular internet access, so in the event that the game continues I will try to keep up but may take a day or 2. ^^;
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"Congratulations. You just invented 'negligent regicide.'" - Schlock Mercenary
And without slowing down their support role.
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