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12-12-05, 10:18 AM

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D20Dazza - Let's see some characters rolling out there.

Yeah, Yeah

I'm waiting to get my copy of the 2nd Ed book, first ed just doesn't seem to be doing it for me

12-13-05, 04:32 PM	#202
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	For those of you who are approved, please show up in the Read Lounge, as that's where you wait for missions, as well as get to know your fellow heroes. We should have an adventure coming fairly soon, but there are only 4 people in the lounge, and it's possable at least one of them may not be elidgable for the adventure. __________________ Check out Enworld's Living Supers campaign Check out my Sale and Trade thread Bront's Creations Collection thread PbP Games Living PbPs Vanitri Duskrider in IA: A Teacher for Laynie Cade Jenner in Immortality Awakens. Juliana Hayes inTournament of Flowers Gun Monkey in the HQ: "Ready" Lounge Psyren is doing PR for the Resolutes Other PbP Johan d'Deneith in Who wants to be a Wayfinder? Kirkesh in Shards of Memory (OOC) Kitrina ir'Danyl in Mightier than the Sword (OOC) Vasha Springborne in Diplomatic Immunity (OOC) Whinoah in Viridian Plague (OOC) Brother Ray in Elysium Squad (OOC) Val, AKA Valerie Learass in Kiss of Darkness (OOC) Mel in The Secret Scion (OOC) Kolbyr Fjorin in The Hunt for Cantus (OOC) Priya Daoine in Destiny's Tears (OOC)

12-13-05, 05:35 PM	#203
Knight Otu LEW Judge and PbP Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Last Seen: Yesterday (11:36 PM) Posts: 8,822 My Bookshelf My Wishlist	Good to hear that a mission's coming up. I was close to suggesting that one of those already in the HQ should give up the chance to be in the first mission to start that one, to get things going. __________________ Omygod, they killed Polly! LEW Judge;When e-mailing me about LEW, make sure to include a LEW tag in the subject line Semabin ai Harudan, currently involved in the quest of the Ransom for Retirement. Ashnar, currently in the Assassin's Knot.

12-14-05, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Knight Otu

Good to hear that a mission's coming up. I was close to suggesting that one of those already in the HQ should give up the chance to be in the first mission to start that one, to get things going.

Well, at the moment, there's only 4 of a potential 6 people in HQ, so that leaves an adventure for 3. I'm hoping we'll get all the approved people in soon.

12-14-05, 07:57 AM	#205
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Ok, we have an approved adventure, but we need more people in the ready room folks

12-17-05, 03:21 AM	#206
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Just a request, please make sure that you send your character submissions from a valid e-mail address that you can respond from. If I can't reply to you, then it's hard to tell you privately what you may need to change. Also, please include in your background a little bit about discovering your powers and joining the task force. If you want to expound on that later, that's fine, but since there are a few limiting factors in backgrounds, such as time and origin, it's nice to know ahead of time if you have a problem, rather than have you RP it in a mission, only to find out it wasn't possable lated. Thanks again, looking forward to more submissions

12-21-05, 10:31 AM	#207
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	BTW, I may have overlooked this, but all the characters have a Comlink for equipment free to start. If you don't have one on your sheet, add it please.

01-02-06, 04:41 PM	#208
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Ok, the character thread should be in the process of being cleaned up of any posts that are not character posts, or at least have some character work in them at the moment. Any questions, coments, or requests about characters beyond the actual sheet should be made in the general discussion thread. My mission should be starting shortly (waiting for the last stragler in the ready room to come into the briefing room to make it 6). I'm hoping to hear about a few more missions, as we have more characters trickling in as well.

01-02-06, 04:55 PM	#209
Keia I aim to misbehave Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On the raggedy edge Last Seen: Today (05:05 AM) Posts: 8,529	Thread is cleaned up. I left the character hold spots still there (basically because mine is still there). Should get to it this week. Let me know if there is anything else you need. Keia

01-03-06, 08:27 AM

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My mission should be starting shortly (waiting for the last stragler in the ready room to come into the briefing room to make it 6). I'm hoping to hear about a few more missions, as we have more characters trickling in as well.

I assume I was the straggler.

Highbrow is set to go. Hopefully I made an...impression

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01-03-06, 06:24 PM	#211
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	As long as it's not an impression against the wall

01-05-06, 04:33 AM	#212
Keia I aim to misbehave Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On the raggedy edge Last Seen: Today (05:05 AM) Posts: 8,529	Bront, I added that I was judging the Shake your booty thread. Let me know via either PM or e-mail if you have any questions or issues. Take care everyone and have fun, Keia

01-05-06, 04:53 AM	#213
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Will do. Hope to see another adventure out there soon

01-06-06, 07:22 AM	#214
Erekose13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Last Seen: Today (04:58 AM) Posts: 4,098 My Bookshelf My Wishlist	Just got MM2 yesterday and thinking of joining. I havent tried anything in the system yet, but it looks like fun. I was working on a character last night and wondered if I could get some help developing him and making sure I'm on track with the rules. Body and Spirit Prelim version: Spoiler: Spirit: insubstantial, innate(4) 21pp invisibility(1) 4pp immunity:mental effects(10) 10pp communication(1) 1pp possession (4) 16pp flight, innate (1) 3pp abilities: str - dex 10 con 10 int 14 4pp wis 14 4pp cha 10 tough 0 fort 0 refl 0 will 0 +2 defence bonus 0 attack bonus 0 skills:7pp = 35sp knowledge - behavioral science 6, philosophy 1 notice 10 sense motive 8 intimidate 10 feats: 5pp Fearsome Presence 5 Abilities 8 + Skills 7 (35sp) + Feats 5 + Powers 55 + Combat 0 + Saves 0 = 75pp Body: Life Control(8) 32pp (+5AP) Boost any one (8), range (perception) 32 Drain any one (8), range (perception) 32 Fatigue (10), reversable, sedation 32 Healing(8) resurrection, progression(6), regrowth, persistent 32 Stun (10), reversible, sedation 32 abilities: str 12 2pp dex 10 con 16 6pp int 14 4pp wis 14 4pp cha 10 tough +3 fort +4 1pp refl +0 will +4 2pp defence +2 4pp attack +2 4pp skills 8pp (40sp) climb 3 concentration 5 medicine 15 knowledge (life sciences) 15 swim 2 feats 4pp assessment equipment (3) van 8, light pistol 6, cell phone 1 drawbacks: minor weakness without the bond to spirit (1) Abilities 16 + Skills 8 (40sp) + Feats 4 + Powers 37 + Combat 8 + Saves 3 - Drawbacks 1 = 75 Body and Spirit: Gestalt 5pp immunity: mental effects(10) communication (1) Life Control(10) area (burst), selective attack, action (standard), affects insubstantial, dynamic 72pp, (+10AP (all dynamic)) = 82pp Boost all (10), range (perception), slow fade (1), affects insubstantial(1) 72 Drain all (10), range (perception), slow fade (1), affects insubstantial(1) 72 Fatigue (10), range (perception), area (burst), selective attack, action (standard), reversible, sedation 72 Healing (10), resurrection, action (3 = free), progression (10 = 5 years), regrowth, persistent 32 Stun (10), range (perception), area (burst), selective attack, action (standard), reversible, sedation 72 abilities: str 12 2pp dex 10 con 16 6pp int 14 4pp wis 14 4pp cha 10 tough +3 fort +6 3pp refl +0 will +4 2pp defence +3 6pp attack +2 4pp skills 15pp (75sp) knowledge - behavioral science 6, philosophy 1 notice 10 sense motive 8 intimidate 10 climb 3 concentration 5 medicine 15 knowledge (life sciences) 15 swim 2 Feats: 4 assessment equipment 3 Abilities 16 + Skills 15 (75sp) + Feats 4 + Powers 98 + Combat 8 + Saves 3 = 144/150 I really have to work on Body and Spirit (the gestalt character) more as I want to enhance his Life Control rather than boost his combat ability. EDIT: second draft complete. still need to work on gestalt character a bit more. __________________ Erekose13, Iron Liege ~Uneide Art for all your character art needs. Presented by Uneide. PbP Games DM: [LEW] The Tomb of Chaos [Characters] Player: ao'Thuir of the Ghost Tribe Body and Spirit Eternity Ghuntomas of Thorn Golgorak the Demon Eyed Hxaptös Halcyrunne [Pic] Magorrym Vormundrak Obscurity Tau Scrymgeour Tenebrynn Glimmersight [Pic] [Pic2] The Mythweaver Last edited by Erekose13 : 01-06-06 at 08:41 AM.

01-06-06, 07:32 AM	#215
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Interesting. I guess it's technicaly correct, so i don't see why you can't use the 2 in 1 syndrome, but hopefully you can explain it well, and it won't be come problomatic if you get split. Probably need input from the other judges.

01-06-06, 07:44 AM	#216
Erekose13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Last Seen: Today (04:58 AM) Posts: 4,098 My Bookshelf My Wishlist	I'm working on the final powers of the gestalt character. I'm not sure wha tyou mean by 2 in 1 syndrome though? The character concept is two brothers, one of whom was a doctor, the other a shrink. During a cataclysm (will read more about the world background for this one) the shrink was killed despite what the doctor tried. The shrink became a ghost who bonded with his living brother. While bonded the ghost enhances the doctor's Life Control ability, while seperate the doctor still has powers, and the ghost can move about and scout and possess other people. I still need to work on it some more but thats the gist of it. I had a couple of specific questions that I couldnt find the answers to in the rules while looking. 1. With Life Control, all alternate powers become Perception range correct? 2. Alternate powers can have up to the full base pp cost of the main power for the cost of only 1 actual pp? 3. Because the Max DC for PL 10 characters is 10, I can't take any of the Life Control/Alternate powers above Rank 10 because they all are save based, right?

01-06-06, 07:59 AM	#217
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	I ment 2 for 1 characters. Usually you can only play 1 character, so the 2 for 1 thing is kind of odd. 1) No, you can set them up to be so, but you have to buy them up. Alternate powers can be bought up to perception, but don't need to be. 2) Yes, but you can only change between alternate powers once per round, and sustande powers end immediately when you change. 3) You can take them above 10, you just don't gain the benifit of the save. Unless you have a tradeoff for attack. Basicly, unless the power says it's limited by your PL, you can buy it up infinately, but only benifit from it up to your power level. In some cases, there are other benifits of buying a power up (Range, alternate power arrays, things like that.)

01-06-06, 08:06 AM	#218
Erekose13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Last Seen: Today (04:58 AM) Posts: 4,098 My Bookshelf My Wishlist	ah okay I get the 2 for 1 thing. They are each only 75 point characters so will be pretty weak apart. For the most part they will stay together, the main exception is stealth/scouting where the spirit would be best doing that alone. 1. ah okay, I'll have to make a few changes then as I dont want him to have to get close enough to touch anything. 2. gotcha, all of his aps happen to be instant or instant (lasting) so thats good. 3. that would help get his APs up to the same power level while having the perception range, but I dont think I'll worry about it.

01-06-06, 12:57 PM	#219
Velmont Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Back to Montreal, Qc, Canada Last Seen: 04-07-06 (05:46 PM) Posts: 4,906 My Bookshelf	Just one note for Alternate Power. Your alternate power can be as high as the main power in cost for 1pp BUT you don't consider the pp cost of all Alternate power feat. Exemple: Blast 10 [Cost:22] Power Feat: Subtle Alternate Power: Stun Alternate Power: Fatigue You Stun and Fatigue power can cost up to 21, as all AP power feat aren't considered. __________________ Characters and Games Links Player Active Sielwoodan Velantien, in Lamentation of Lloth Leanthantalas in Shackled City Rinaldo di Senzio in Assassin's Knot (LEW) Opale di Senzio in Slave of the dragon (LEW) Ridik Keita, in the Red Dragon Inn in Orussus (LEW) Lawrence Thorn, in Behind the Curtain Andrew Ward, in Days of Future Past Ripley Blisston, aka Animal Lord, in From the Ashes Cedric Purkiss, Codename:CPU in Quake Your Booty (LS) Sergeant Patrick O'connor (LS) Silver in The New Dawn On Hold: Jeremy Alfredson York, student of EPIC Telir, Fire Storm, the Destroyer in Immortal Ages in Shadow Traore, in Turtle Soup (Planescape 3.5e) Vassoma Nelm in The Dungeons of Castle Blackmoor Master Active: Brodell's Tales OOC, IC, RG To start one day: Duet OOC, RG ------------------------------------- "Experience is the great thing that allow you to identify a mistake when you do it again."

01-06-06, 07:53 PM	#220
Erekose13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Last Seen: Today (04:58 AM) Posts: 4,098 My Bookshelf My Wishlist	Okay cool, I think I got that one covered. So for example with Body and Spirit his power looks something like: Life Control (10 ranks) at (4+3extras=7pp each) Extras: area (burst) +1/rank, selective attack +1/rank, action (standard) +1/rank Power Feats: affects insubstantial 1 pp Alternate Power: base power is Dynamic = 1 pp Alternate Power: Boost, dynamic = 2pp Alternate Power: Drain, dynamic = 2pp Alternate Power: Fatigue, dynamic = 2pp Alternate Power: Healing, dynamic = 2pp Alternate Power: Stun, dynamic = 2pp So thats: 70pp + 2pp general feats + 10pp AP powers = 82pp; only 72pp can be spent on AP powers. I may have made a mistake making the base power dynamic and included that. I want the 72 points available for the AP powers, so I'll probably take that dynamic part away and give it a different power feat.

01-06-06, 08:28 PM	#221
Velmont Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Back to Montreal, Qc, Canada Last Seen: 04-07-06 (05:46 PM) Posts: 4,906 My Bookshelf	I see only one mistake, you don't have to pay for: Alternate Power: base power is Dynamic = 1 pp. If you pay for a dynamic AP, it is with the main power and any other dynamic AP. So, in your example, it would be: Life Control (10 ranks) at (4+3extras=7pp each) Extras: area (burst) +1/rank, selective attack +1/rank, action (standard) +1/rank Power Feats: affects insubstantial 1 pp Alternate Power: Boost, dynamic = 2pp Alternate Power: Drain, dynamic = 2pp Alternate Power: Fatigue, dynamic = 2pp Alternate Power: Healing, dynamic = 2pp Alternate Power: Stun, dynamic = 2pp And all AP can be build with 71pp. The total cost of this power is 81pp

01-06-06, 08:54 PM

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Hmm I think it actually does take the extra rank or does the last sentence just mean that you have to atleast have spent 1 point on Alternate Power?

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For two ranks (2 power points) an Alternate Power is dynamic; it can share power points with other Dynamic Alternate Powers of that power (so a power must have two Dynamic Alternate Powers for this option to be useful). You decide how many power points are allocated to the various powers once per round as a free action. Making the base power of an array Dynamc requires one Alternate Power rank (1 power point).

So if I don't, cool I'll have another point for a feat. Reversable makes sense for something that acts as Nauseate.

01-08-06, 02:57 PM	#223
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	FYI - I have 2 characters ready to go, but am sort of waiting to see what else shows up in the ready room. One works well as a spokeperson and coordinator, and the other... well... doesn't, but is a bit more combat oriented. I know there are a few other characters out there working on approval, and one or two that is approved. I've been informed of at least one pending mission down the road, hoping to get a few more going soon, so let's see those submissions.

01-08-06, 05:26 PM	#224
Erekose13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Last Seen: Today (04:58 AM) Posts: 4,098 My Bookshelf My Wishlist	Cool, I'll work on finishing Body and Spirit tonight and see about bringing them into the ready room. As LEW I can come in prior to being approved but cant leave the room until that approval comes through right?

01-08-06, 09:06 PM	#225
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Yup. Keia and Velmont, now would be your time to speak up on the gestalt character being run by one person. Any problems with it?

01-08-06, 09:32 PM

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Keia and Velmont, now would be your time to speak up on the gestalt character being run by one person. Any problems with it?

No, not on a cursory review . . . it looks fine. I was actually working on a gestalt character for an upgrade in Gideon's 2e game . . . but well . . . still working.

Keia

01-08-06, 09:37 PM	#227
Shalimar Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Last Seen: Today (06:35 AM) Posts: 2,660	Is there an official uniform for members of the resolutes? Or even just a battledress uniform? Something in the leather/spandex/unstable molecule family?

01-09-06, 04:51 AM	#228
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Not at the moment, but I'm sure you could get a leather or spandex uniform of some kind if you asked. I think they're a bit worried about telling people what to wear at the moment.

01-09-06, 01:43 PM	#229
Velmont Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Back to Montreal, Qc, Canada Last Seen: 04-07-06 (05:46 PM) Posts: 4,906 My Bookshelf	I have no problem for the Gestalt Erekose13 have submitted. Roleplay talking, I don't see a problem for someone to have two characters. It can create interesting situation that couldn't be created by two players. Stats talking, having the PP split between the two weaker character is just fine too. Now, I havn't looked closely to the stats, but it's fine with the idea.

01-09-06, 04:26 PM	#230
Erekose13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Last Seen: Today (04:58 AM) Posts: 4,098 My Bookshelf My Wishlist	Stats wise, he's up the RG. I have to finish his history and description so I am not ready to submit it to you judges yet. But if you want to see his full stats as I know the Gestalt thing seems to have caused worry, they are there.

01-09-06, 06:30 PM	#231
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Ok, I don't see a problem with the Gestalt thing then either. Just wanted a consensus.

01-09-06, 06:43 PM	#232
Erekose13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Last Seen: Today (04:58 AM) Posts: 4,098 My Bookshelf My Wishlist	Cool, I'll bring him into the Ready Room later today when I have a chance to finish him up. I know I said that I'd get it all done last night, but I should've paid attention to how long it would take to create three character sheets...

01-09-06, 06:45 PM	#233
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Hehe, no problem. Still need to submit him for approval. I didn't crunch the numbers yet, but I'll wait for your go on that.

01-13-06, 04:20 AM

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OOC: Ok, I'll spend the HP now to create that invention. As I said, the roll should be a DC:22, and without Hp to reroll, it won't be an easy one. Can Turret and Highbrow assist me on that roll, or Invention is a stand alone roll?

Ok, asking in here because I'm confused.

Reading the invention rules on page 131, where does it say you have to spend a hero point to create the invention in the first place? I see you can spend a hero point to use it an additional time, but am I missing where he has to spend the first hero point?

01-13-06, 05:45 AM	#235
Shalimar Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Last Seen: Today (06:35 AM) Posts: 2,660	It only costs a HP while building if you are jury rigging it, otherwise it doesn't cost a hero point. The problem is, the only way to build it in the short amount of time he has to work with is to Jury Rig it, which does cost a HP (regularly building it would take 5 hrs/PP as opposed to 1 round/pp to Jury Rig). Right Now he would have a DC of: 10 (base) + 5 (Jury Rig) + x (however many PPs in the invention) He can't take 10, but I didn't see where he could not spend a HP on the attempt if he wanted, frankly, to spend a hp like this and have nothing to show for it would be a bummer, if he had a second and was willing to spend it, I would think it would be ok

01-13-06, 07:28 AM	#236
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Ahh, that was what I was missing, the jurry rigging. I think it was a 7 point invention, and at a DC 22, he doesn't have much of a chance to succeed. Sure you want to do that Velmont?

01-13-06, 01:03 PM	#237
Velmont Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Back to Montreal, Qc, Canada Last Seen: 04-07-06 (05:46 PM) Posts: 4,906 My Bookshelf	That's why I was asking for assisting. Most skill use can generally be assisted. There is nothing that tell someone can or cannot help on those skill roll. My chance are bad. If I can have assistance from Highbrow and Turret, it is a potential +4 (I think it would be a +4, as assitance is always DC 10 and they have quite high modifier). Also, I was thinking to apply a flaw to reduce the cost. Maybe just duration to put it to concentration, that would be two application fo the flaw, reducing the cost per rank to 1:3. If you allow it, the build would become: Detect(Life)[Free Action, Ranged] 3 rank Accurate(Detect) 2 rank Extended(Detect) 2 rank Radius(Detect) 1 rank X-Ray Vision 4 rank Flaw: Duration -2 pp/rank Total: 4pp That mean I would need to spend a standard action to use it in a round. So, my questions to you is: - Can someone assist me? - Can I apply the flaw and take that new build? If both are yes, that's sure I will get a try, as the DC would have lowered to 19 and my roll would have a +12 modifier, needing only a 7 on the roll (70% chance of success). If both are now, well, I won't spend my HP and just assume I broke some important thing during the creation. Otherwise, I will think about it.

01-13-06, 03:34 PM	#238
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Assistance - My first feeling is no, since it's requiring a feat and a hero point to do. Though if they have the feat, I would have no objections. Just get them to actualy do it. I will do more research tonight and make a more definitive ruling. Flaw - I don't see why not, that makes some sense.

01-13-06, 03:39 PM

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Assistance - My first feeling is no, since it's requiring a feat and a hero point to do. Though if they have the feat, I would have no objections. Just get them to actualy do it. I will do more research tonight and make a more definitive ruling.

Make a lot of sense to me.

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Flaw - I don't see why not, that makes some sense.

Nice.

That would make DC: 19. I would have 50% chance of success.

I'll think about it. If I had another HP, I could spend it on Re-Roll if needed and having 100% chance of success... I think my next PP will go into Crafts and Luck Feat :P

01-14-06, 04:20 AM	#240
Bront LS & LEW Promoter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, IL Last Seen: Today (05:25 AM) Posts: 14,109 My Bookshelf	Ok, the only way you can assist is if you are capable of succeeding yourself, so you do indeed need the feat in order to assist an invention.