So, What's The Challenge Rating Of All Those Demon Lords?
  • So, What's The Challenge Rating Of All Those Demon Lords?


    Out of the Abyss is out today in selected game stores (it'll be out elsewhere on September 15th), and many folks have already gotten their copies. As details trickle in (Drizzt is not in the adventure), here's one quick tidbit courtesy of EN World member Evandis: the Challenge Rating of the eight demon lords who are rampaging around the Underdark! Head down to your local game store (assuming it's a Wizards Play Network store) today to grab the adventure, produced for WotC by Green Ronin.

    Baphomet CR 23
    Fraz-Urb'luu CR 23
    Juiblex CR 23
    Zuggtmoy CR 23
    Graz'zt CR 24
    Yeenoghu CR 24
    Demogorgon CR 26
    Orcus CR 26




    Comments 32 Comments
    1. Raunalyn's Avatar
      Raunalyn -
      "Drizzt is not in the adventure"

      SOLD!!!!
    1. chibi graz'zt's Avatar
      chibi graz'zt -
      Graz'zt is 24, suck on that mushroom b*tch :-P
    1. Azurewraith's Avatar
      Azurewraith -
      I guess a 7th lvl party can take these mooks out right ^^
    1. Paraxis -
      What I find humorous is the old saying "If it has stats we can kill it!" applies here very well.

      We can kill Demogorgon, Orcus, Tiamat, and all these other powerful beings because they now have stats.

      Who doesn't have stats? Drizzt Do'urden
    1. Wulfang's Avatar
      Wulfang -
      Quote Originally Posted by Paraxis View Post
      Who doesn't have stats? Drizzt Do'urden
      LOL!

      Well, he does have stats in Baldur's Gate :P
    1. Dargrimm's Avatar
      Dargrimm -
      I'm wondering if an online supplement with spells, magic items and monsters will be made available like with the other adventurers. Shouldn't it be available already?

      Once I read the first few reviews I'll decide if I'm getting it (although I'm finding hard to resist NOT buying it)
    1. edutrevi's Avatar
      edutrevi -
      No Drizzt?

      I couldn't recognize if this is bad or not.
    1. Morrus's Avatar
      Morrus -
      Darn thing wasn't in my local Forbidden Planet. Amazon it is then. Drat!
    1. steeldragons's Avatar
      steeldragons -
      Personally, I'd swap [and shall] Juiblex and Yeenoghu. Maybe make Jui 25, even.

      I know he's not "sexy", but Juiblex has been on the list [original MM] since before Grazzt [introduced in Lost Caverns and printed in MM2] or "Yeeno" [in DDG]...show a slime sum luv.
    1. Benji's Avatar
      Benji -
      I LOVE that people got so caught up about Driz and he's not even in the adventure. That's a lot of wasted effort and pain people put themselves through due to rumour. Maybe in future all of us (me included) won't make so many assumptions.
    1. rets82's Avatar
      rets82 -
      What!!? If Drizzt is not in it I'm not buying it! Rage rage!! OMG this is the worst thing that has ever happened. D&D is ruined forever!!

      Am I doing it right?
    1. Sacrosanct's Avatar
      Sacrosanct -
      Dang, well I guess my write up I did last year was way off lol

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    1. Celtavian -
      Quote Originally Posted by Azurewraith View Post
      I guess a 7th lvl party can take these mooks out right ^^
      Please do not report back if that is the case.
    1. AntiStateQuixote's Avatar
      AntiStateQuixote -
      Quote Originally Posted by Azurewraith View Post
      I guess a 7th lvl party can take these mooks out right ^^
      Only if at least half of the party members are GWM paladins with magical great swords.
    1. Wrathamon -
      I killed Drizzt in an old baldur's gate game and took his stuff.
    1. Remathilis's Avatar
      Remathilis -
      Quote Originally Posted by AntiStateQuixote View Post
      Only if at least half of the party members are GWM paladins with magical great swords.
      Hmm...

      Two paladins, GWM types
      A Life Cleric/Druid1
      A Diviner wizard
      An Assassin Rogue/Fighter 2 with Sharp Shooter

      Diviner uses Portent to make sure assassin rogue hits with his bow (and/or lower the Demon Lords Init) for Guaranteed opening crit/assassinate, the paladins smite each attack with GWM, Cleric uses Bless and Lifeberries for popup healing, wizard using haste on the paladins and rogue.
    1. occam's Avatar
      occam -
      Quote Originally Posted by steeldragons View Post
      Personally, I'd swap [and shall] Juiblex and Yeenoghu. Maybe make Jui 25, even.

      I know he's not "sexy", but Juiblex has been on the list [original MM] since before Grazzt [introduced in Lost Caverns and printed in MM2] or "Yeeno" [in DDG]...show a slime sum luv.
      Yeenoghu was in the original Monster Manual, along with Juiblex. And Juiblex was a chump, the least powerful of the demon lords in that book. I think it's appropriate that he's still relatively weak.
    1. steeldragons's Avatar
      steeldragons -
      I'm misremembering then...for some reason I thought he wasn't around until FF. In that case...well, I'll just move Juiblex up...make him not a chump
    1. Sacrosanct's Avatar
      Sacrosanct -
      Quote Originally Posted by occam View Post
      Yeenoghu was in the original Monster Manual, along with Juiblex. And Juiblex was a chump, the least powerful of the demon lords in that book. I think it's appropriate that he's still relatively weak.
      I don't know. Looking at their stats, I'd almost rather fight Yeenoghu than Juiblex. The gnoll lord is all about straight damage and pushing. Juiblex is all about higher DC restraining and poison and ruining your items. It has an eject slime attack that not only does a lot of damage, but armor suffers a permanent -1 penalty to AC and weapons suffer a permanent -1 to damage each time they are hit by it.
    1. Celebrim's Avatar
      Celebrim -
      Fraz-Urb'luu despite reduced fame, is arguably at least as potent as Orcus and Demogorgon. At 233 hp, he had one of the highest 1e h.p. totals (and implied HD) of any of the fiend lords. At the very least, he and Graz'zt out to be on the second tier at 25 CR. If I had my way, I'd put Orcus in 4th place in terms of CR. Don't care for Orcus. Way overdone.
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