Baldur's Gate III Announced; Powered by D&D 5E
  • Baldur's Gate III Announced; Powered by D&D 5E


    The developers of the Divinity: Original Sin series, Laria Studios, officially announced Baldur’s Gate III.

    The new game will use the D&D 5th Edition rules as the backbone for their system and the storyline will be set directly after the events in the upcoming adventure Baldur’s Gate: Descent into Avernus. The game will be released on PC and the new Google Stadia video game streaming service. The announcement came with a teaser trailer below. More information is expected at the video game and electronics conference E3 next week.

    The game isn't quite available for pre-order, but you can add it to your wishlist on Steam. The Steam listing also gives some idea of the features and gameplay options, as it lists Single Player, Multi-Player, Online Multiplayer, Local Multiplayer, Co-Op, Online Co-Op, Local Co-Op, Shared/Split Screen, and Cross-Platform Multiplayer.

    The announcement follows a tease last week with an image of the stylized "III" which left the title of the game as part of the filename.

    Warning: The trailer features some gruesome imagery which may not be suitable for all audiences and is definitely NSFW.

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    1. Paul Farquhar's Avatar
      Paul Farquhar -
      Didn't have any trouble with the controls of DoS2 myself, but then I had played DoS1 and NWN. Personally I prefer click to move rather than WASD.

      What I didn't care for was the writing, it all felt a bit like Saturday morning kids TV. Would probably suit a Dragonlance game!
    1. gyor's Avatar
      gyor -
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Farquhar View Post
      Didn't have any trouble with the controls of DoS2 myself, but then I had played DoS1 and NWN. Personally I prefer click to move rather than WASD.

      What I didn't care for was the writing, it all felt a bit like Saturday morning kids TV. Would probably suit a Dragonlance game!
      The tone is clearly different for BG 3, both visually and for story telling.

      Anyways here is the WotC article on BG 3.

      https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/news/baldursgate3
    1. Elfcrusher's Avatar
      Elfcrusher -
      I wonder if there are two kinds of people, with the difference illustrated by the announcement of a new game:

      1) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and conclude that it's probably going to be terrible.

      2) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and hope that it's going to be great.
    1. gyor's Avatar
      gyor -
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Farquhar View Post
      They used to be Larian. Once you start hiring a couple of hundred extra people a company can change beyond recognition. Bethesda used to be good too, when they where a handful of people producing classics like Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind. Bioware before EA is another example. Ten good people are worth a hundred also-rans, and when you expand rapidly also-rans is what you get.



      Baldur's Gate was a story-driven game not a Forgotten Realms simulator. The inclusion of the entire multiverse won't mean anything if the plot sucks.
      Your jumping to conclusions about the people Larian hired, you don't know if they are also rans or top teir new recruits or poached industry veterans yet.
    1. Gladius Legis -
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Farquhar View Post
      They used to be Larian. Once you start hiring a couple of hundred extra people a company can change beyond recognition. Bethesda used to be good too, when they where a handful of people producing classics like Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind.
      Eh, none of those games have aged particularly well. I tried playing Morrowind recently and it was rough. I was never fond of Morrowind's dialogue to begin with, and it didn't help that 70% of the world's NPCs all said the same thing. Bethesda has always been rather weak in the writing department, it just became more glaring once they got bigger and more popular.

      Bioware before EA is another example. Ten good people are worth a hundred also-rans, and when you expand rapidly also-rans is what you get.
      That has much less to do with BioWare getting bigger post-EA and a whole lot more to do with EA's infamous corporate meddling.
    1. Mercador's Avatar
      Mercador -
      Quote Originally Posted by Elfcrusher View Post
      I wonder if there are two kinds of people, with the difference illustrated by the announcement of a new game:

      1) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and conclude that it's probably going to be terrible.

      2) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and hope that it's going to be great.
      With Larian experience, I lean on #2 but I'm not as optimistic as @gyor though I wish the same as he. If it is as good as D:OS2, we're golden. But I think expectations are already too high. I don't expect seeing gameplay until next E3 now..
    1. gyor's Avatar
      gyor -
      Quote Originally Posted by Gladius Legis View Post
      Eh, none of those games have aged particularly well. I tried playing Morrowind recently and it was rough. I was never fond of Morrowind's dialogue to begin with, and it didn't help that 70% of the world's NPCs all said the same thing. Bethesda has always been rather weak in the writing department, it just became more glaring once they got bigger and more popular.


      That has much less to do with BioWare getting bigger post-EA and a whole lot more to do with EA's infamous corporate meddling.
      Which Larian doesn't have to deal with.
    1. Jay Verkuilen's Avatar
      Jay Verkuilen -
      Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Futurity View Post
      This is great....Laria Studios is a real company with a real track record for making actually good games of this type. I think WotC has at last made a decision for a computer game that will pay off!
      I'll have to check the Divinity games out. I don't think I ever played them.

      LOL just noticed the "NSFW" warning....after watching it at work! It wasn't that bad....YMMV though....
      Bet it drove clicks, though.
    1. nobody69.420's Avatar
      nobody69.420 -
      This is the best trailer I've ever seen! I am very excited!
    1. Dire Bare's Avatar
      Dire Bare -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mercador View Post
      I don't expect seeing gameplay until next E3 now..
      Release is currently scheduled for November 2019, this year!

      It has been announced that BG3 will be available when Google Stadia launches, which is where I'm getting the November date from.
    1. Mercador's Avatar
      Mercador -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dire Bare View Post
      Release is currently scheduled for November 2019, this year!

      It has been announced that BG3 will be available when Google Stadia launches, which is where I'm getting the November date from.
      Yeah, that was I heard also but after the PC conference yesterday, it became clear that it won't be the case.
    1. Azzy's Avatar
      Azzy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Elfcrusher View Post
      I wonder if there are two kinds of people, with the difference illustrated by the announcement of a new game:

      1) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and conclude that it's probably going to be terrible.

      2) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and hope that it's going to be great.
      I think there are more types of people:

      3) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and then proceed to ignore them and have extreme, if no unrealistic, expectations.

      4) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and are cautiously optimistic.
    1. gyor's Avatar
      gyor -
      Quote Originally Posted by Azzy View Post
      I think there are more types of people:

      3) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and then proceed to ignore them and have extreme, if no unrealistic, expectations.

      4) Those who will look at the available evidence and precedents and are cautiously optimistic.
      This really has no precedents, people keep comparing it other games, but the technology, Stadia,
      the sheer number of developers, and combination of the FR 5e setting with a Larian has nothing comparable to it, not BG 1&2, not Pillars of Eternity 1&2, not Owlcat's Pathfinder: Kingmaker, not Planescape: Torment, not NWN1&2, not Tides of Torment: Numenera, not Swordcoast Legends, heck not even Larian's own Divinty: Original Sin 2, is comparable, because none had the kind of resources this game does, in fact COMBINED they would likely have less resources then what is being devoted to BG3. There is no precedence for a D&D CRPG with the kind of budget and resources that a top AAA game like the Witcher 3 or 2077 Cyberpunk gets, nothing like this before, all bets are off.
    1. gyor's Avatar
      gyor -
      https://youtu.be/VJ-B4KF0H_w

      They say they want it to feel like you have the PHB with you when you play.
    1. Paul Farquhar's Avatar
      Paul Farquhar -
      Quote Originally Posted by gyor View Post
      Your jumping to conclusions about the people Larian hired, you don't know if they are also rans or top teir new recruits or poached industry veterans yet.
      Given that there are only about 30 top-tier game designers on the planet, it's quite easy to draw conclusions about the quality of the others...

      You can also draw conclusions by looking at other games with big development teams. Putting quality aside, the main feature is a flat £50 price tag is not sufficient to pay for a large team. Such games are heavily dependent on microtransactions in order to pay for all those graduates. The other feature common to such games is a short development cycle - they are going to want to push that game out as quickly as possible in order to keep costs down. What it definitely isn't is the sign of a completionist approach.

      I would feel far more confident that this game won't suck if I was told it had a small development team.
    1. Azzy's Avatar
      Azzy -
      Quote Originally Posted by gyor View Post
      This really has no precedents, people keep comparing it other games, but the technology, Stadia,
      the sheer number of developers, and combination of the FR 5e setting with a Larian has nothing comparable to it, not BG 1&2, not Pillars of Eternity 1&2, not Owlcat's Pathfinder: Kingmaker, not Planescape: Torment, not NWN1&2, not Tides of Torment: Numenera, not Swordcoast Legends, heck not even Larian's own Divinty: Original Sin 2, is comparable, because none had the kind of resources this game does, in fact COMBINED they would likely have less resources then what is being devoted to BG3. There is no precedence for a D&D CRPG with the kind of budget and resources that a top AAA game like the Witcher 3 or 2077 Cyberpunk gets, nothing like this before, all bets are off.
      None of that means that the game is going to be loaded with every single feature that you seem to think it will. Even if this were an AAA, it would still not likely have as much. That just too fantasical.
    1. gyor's Avatar
      gyor -
      Quote Originally Posted by Azzy View Post
      None of that means that the game is going to be loaded with every single feature that you seem to think it will. Even if this were an AAA, it would still not likely have as much. That just too fantasical.
      It might not have every feature I want, but I do think at minium it will have the PHB stuff.

      I don't EXPECT everything in 5e to be in the game, I just know any of it a possibility.

      The only thing I expect is all the PHB sub/races and sub/classes although some might be modified from P&P.

      Honestly having all the Gods that are AL legal is more important to me then having every sub/class/sub/race from everybook in the game.

      I do hope that at least some none PHB Player material is in the game at release, but if not there is always DLCs.
    1. gyor's Avatar
      gyor -
      Quote Originally Posted by Azzy View Post
      None of that means that the game is going to be loaded with every single feature that you seem to think it will. Even if this were an AAA, it would still not likely have as much. That just too fantasical.
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Farquhar View Post
      Given that there are only about 30 top-tier game designers on the planet, it's quite easy to draw conclusions about the quality of the others...

      You can also draw conclusions by looking at other games with big development teams. Putting quality aside, the main feature is a flat £50 price tag is not sufficient to pay for a large team. Such games are heavily dependent on microtransactions in order to pay for all those graduates. The other feature common to such games is a short development cycle - they are going to want to push that game out as quickly as possible in order to keep costs down. What it definitely isn't is the sign of a completionist approach.

      I would feel far more confident that this game won't suck if I was told it had a small development team.
      I guess we will see, although we know they are not forcing it out early.
    1. Paul Farquhar's Avatar
      Paul Farquhar -
      Quote Originally Posted by gyor View Post
      It might not have every feature I want, but I do think at minium it will have the PHB stuff.


      They have already said they won't have everything from the PHB - you quoted it yourself.

      Honestly having all the Gods that are AL legal is more important to me then having every sub/class/sub/race from everybook in the game.
      The original Baldur's Gate didn't have any gods as part of character creation. NWN2 and Pathfinder: Kingmaker are the only games I know to feature deity selection as part of character creation.
    1. CapnZapp -
      Having the PHB content is the obvious goal here.

      They wouldn't want to exclude any PHB character option unless they have to for technical reasons.

      But expecting more than the PHB (in the basic start offering) comes across as wildly unrealistic.

      I can't come up with a single reason why they would want to give away for free when it's an easy sell if the game does well. And the game certainly does not need more options than the PHB to do well, it's not as if anyone is going to look at all those classes and races and say "blech, that's hardly any choice, I think I'll pass on this game"
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