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    Wednesday, 10th July, 2019, 06:27 PM
    Retreater replied to OSR Gripes
    I get the appeal of Dark Soul type video games, but it's far different to restart a video game level than to roll a new character, try to make it interesting and unique, fit into a party of other players, and to contribute to an adverture in a meaningful way, when that character is no better than a kobold on paper. I understand the fun of games like Call of Cthulhu, but that's because the game...
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    Tuesday, 9th July, 2019, 08:41 PM
    Retreater started a thread OSR Gripes
    My first edition of D&D was 2nd edition AD&D, and through the years I invested heavily in 3e, 4e, and now 5e (in addition to a myriad other systems, including non-fantasy RPGs.) My friend, who is a retroclone apologist, wanted to run a Labyrinth Lord game. After rolling my character (even with the "4d6 drop the lowest" method), I came up with the worst imaginable array of ability scores: all...
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    Wednesday, 3rd July, 2019, 02:14 AM
    Well yeah. My comments have just been on "current state of things." I'm not excited enough to rush out and purchase day one, so I'm currently passing until I get more information. And I hope to put that Playtest behind me. Not a great experience. Haha.
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    Wednesday, 3rd July, 2019, 01:53 AM
    I disliked D&D Next. I never even tried the Next Adventures (Ghosts of Dragonspear Castle?) I didn't like HotDQ when it came out. For me, it didn't start to click until Lost Mines of Phandelver. All I can say is that I didn't like the Pathfinder 2E Playtest. I want more information before making a decision about purchasing the full rules. I'm at a "soft pass" currently.
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    Wednesday, 3rd July, 2019, 12:10 AM
    I have only run the Playtest and played in a few demo events at cons, so my experience might be limited. I actually enjoyed the character creation as something different. What I didn't care for was the organization of the Playtest rulebook (which I think can be fixed) and the death and dying mechanics (which might have been clarified). What I truly hated was the three action economy for monsters....
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    Monday, 1st July, 2019, 06:54 PM
    I've run a few of the published adventures, so I might be able to address them. In addition to Hoard of the Dragon Queen, I've also run Lost Mines of Phandelver (a few times, actually), Storm King's Thunder, Tomb of Annihilation (a couple times), Out of the Abyss, and Princes of the Apocalypse. Here are my quick summations of the issues with each. However, I do think that all of them are...
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    Monday, 1st July, 2019, 04:09 PM
    Of course it's my opinion. That's why I started my post with the disclaimer. And it's as close to a literal railroad as you can get in medieval fantasy game - sticking to a caravan trek. If it had been a modern game, it would've been on an actual railroad. Haha.
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    Monday, 1st July, 2019, 03:24 PM
    I'm not saying anyone's wrong for liking this adventure. I'm not saying it's impossible to have fun with it with the right group and a lot of DM work. But I will say this is one of the worst published adventures I've seen in my 30 years in the hobby. Poorly balanced. Complete railroad.
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    Sunday, 30th June, 2019, 08:50 PM
    The DMG has a paragraph that states (paraphrasing): "a party can expect to roll on the treasure hoard chart x# of times per level." This sets a guideline to how many times a DM should award treasure during a campaign. However, the one time I followed this, characters were stuffed to the gills with magic items and trounced most encounters. (I wonder if my copy of the DMG is the only one that...
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    Sunday, 30th June, 2019, 08:26 PM
    I think there's a disconnect between player expectations (from video games and previous editions) and the tools 5e actually gives DMs. Every session I run, after every encounter, in every group I run, players always search for treasure. They look for coin, they look for potions, they look for magic armor and weapons. To date, no official published adventure I've used has addressed this. None have...
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    Sunday, 30th June, 2019, 07:59 PM
    Two sessions per level sounds good. We play (if we're lucky) 2 sessions a month; sometimes it's once a month. A slower progression than that would feel like the characters weren't advancing at all, with months between levels. I think XP awards by the book are fairly miserly. I will never use XP in future D&D campaigns.
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    Sunday, 30th June, 2019, 07:39 PM
    Retreater started a thread Should I Roll20?
    This is a difficult topic to discuss with strangers online. I'm not looking for a heated argument. Honestly, I'm looking for information and compromise. Short story. My old college friends want to play an online game. The DM is sold on Roll20. I've bought in to Fantasy Grounds. I wasn't big on Roll20's subscription model and preferred the one-time cost of FG (and a better UI, in my opinion). ...
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    Saturday, 29th June, 2019, 10:57 PM
    I have a group of mostly "new-ish" players, even though they're all adults between 35-55. I've been DMing for close to 30 years, and I expect this issue is me being a curmudgeon. There are things that the players do that really slow down gameplay, and I get really frustrated. (Maybe unfairly so.) Due to our real life schedules, we're able to game only about once a month, so I like to keep things...
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    Saturday, 29th June, 2019, 08:33 PM
    FATE The narrative end of the game, the attempt to codify when a GM can introduce plots and complications, it's just not my thing. DCC and MCC Get those weird dice, nonsensical charts, and character funnels out of here. Checks all the boxes for what I'd never want to play. Valiant and Shadowrun Anarchy They're Catalyst, so you know they're bad. Passing GM duties from scene-to-scene is a...
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    Saturday, 29th June, 2019, 05:05 PM
    3d6 in order, per the AD&D 2nd edition rules. Had lots of terrible characters, and took a while before we figured out that was a bad method. Changed it in 3rd edition.
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    Saturday, 29th June, 2019, 04:41 PM
    I appreciate all the work you put into this post. I just want to say that in 2 out of the 3 situations, I was using pregenerated characters at a Con game (run by Monte Cook games). I had no access to selecting powers, abilities, or equipment. So the issue is ... Even if I took a Nano with Onslaught, all I can do is spam that one ability in virtually every combat encounter. I can't do...
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    Saturday, 29th June, 2019, 03:40 PM
    4e provided a core departure from the traditional D&D experience. While a player may have enjoyed 4e (which I do), most cannot deny that it was an outlier, a departure from everything that came before (and after). Pathfinder 2e seems to be less extreme of a transition from 1e (based on playing several games at cons and running a portion of the playtest). I think Paizo may find a problem that...
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    Tuesday, 25th June, 2019, 10:42 PM
    I had a conversation with one of my friends lately about how long campaigns actually last in reality (as opposed to the lofty goals of Game Masters, the ideals of players, and the intent of designers). While both of us have had outlier experiences of year-long (or two years long) campaigns, we found that in practice, it's been much shorter for an average campaign. Despite the actual player...
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    Tuesday, 25th June, 2019, 06:40 PM
    I bought into the first hardcover printing and white box when they were released in the early 2000s. I ran a couple games of it, and it was a nice, rules-lite experience with a classic D&D feel. It provided a simpler, more traditional playstyle when compared to 3.5/PF and 4e D&D. However, now I wonder what role it fills against the streamlined D&D 5e. Basically, anything you could do with C&C,...
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    Thursday, 20th June, 2019, 10:33 PM
    Very unusual. It seemed a common feature with nearly every monster from all three games I played with different GMs. Monsters that can just shrug off 2-3 points of damage here or there is pretty substantial when most characters can't regularly do more than 2 points of damage without a critical hit.
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    Wednesday, 19th June, 2019, 06:47 PM
    I think it was 5 or 6, against a 1st level party. But still, having only a 10% chance to accomplish anything is a bad percentage. Sitting around waiting for my turn just to do nothing does not make a compelling game design. In theory, yes. In practice (based on my XP), I'd say it's not. The two con games I played, both designed and run by Monte Cook affiliates, were both basically set up...
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    Wednesday, 19th June, 2019, 02:40 AM
    This is something I've noticed about my DM style with D&D primarily, but I've found it to be true with other system iterations (such as Pathfinder). I've GMed and played a variety of systems lately, including Gamma World, Star Wars, Savage Rifts, Monster of the Week, and Call of Cthulhu. Of those systems, all seemed to handle free-form, episodic structure better than D&D. The party seems free...
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    Wednesday, 19th June, 2019, 12:02 AM
    I recently returned from Origins, where I played several RPGs. Some went as expected (4e D&D), some went better than I was expecting (WHFRPG, Forbidden Lands), and some were amazing fun (Savage Rifts). But the one that struck me as the most disappointing was Numenera. My first encounter with Numenera was several years ago at GenCon, GMed by someone associated with Monte Cook Games. It went...
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Saturday, 29th June, 2019

  • 05:54 PM - Xaelvaen mentioned Retreater in post Numenera: Third Time Wasn't the Charm
    ...ution sites that helped. As far as the Speed/Intellect damage, I can't remember if it is something we homebrewed, or a part of the playtests somewhere, but there was an option to take physical damage to either Might -or- Speed as you saw fit. Don't know if it ever made it into any of the other rules, in that I only own the Numenera core kickstarter material. Beyond that, we also made some homebrew innovation so that Might/Speed/Intellect never took damage, and was instead purely an offensive resource for the players. Alternatively, we just gave each character Hit Points equal to each stat, and then moved the health chart to function off that instead of the 'attributes.' So like every single system we ever play, we had to have our own rule adjustments to enjoy it for any prolonged period of time. In fact, our big upset (and the reason we eventually moved on) was the limited character advancement. Six tiers with only 24 XP to advance made our typical campaign cap out very fast. @Retreater Sounds like the premades weren't very interesting. I do recall people saying the new Numenera material really cut down on the 'chosen abilities' at first level, because the original material usually had something like 3 abilities at first level, if not more. However, none of it really mattered, because in the end, Onslaught was the only thing a caster got that was really worth combat-beans.

Friday, 15th March, 2019

  • 09:54 AM - pemerton mentioned Retreater in post I keep bottle-necking the heroes (advice)
    Retreater - the DMG2 has a good discussion of "circular paths". I've sblocked a post of mine from 2010 where I described some changes I made to H2 maps to increase their circularity: For the Chamber of Eyes I did two things. First, I joined the introductory encounter (with the hobgoblins torturing the prisoner) onto the Chamber of Eyes: (i) run the corridor in the introductory encounter onto the entryway into the foyer of the Chamber of Eyes; (ii) add a secret passage exiting the NE corner of the hobgoblin chamber via a secret door and running diagonally, with staircases, up to the balcony in the Chamber of Eyes foyer; (iii) add a spyhole/arrowslit on the E wall of the hobgoblin chamber (near the barrels) looking onto the Chamber of Eyes foyer; (iv) add a portcullis that the hobgoblins can drop in the entryway to their chamber, making the secret passage the only easy path between their chamber and the Chamber of Eyes. Second, I was prepared to run the introductory encounter, C1, C2 and C4...

Sunday, 17th February, 2019

  • 01:39 AM - AbdulAlhazred mentioned Retreater in post How Did I Become a Grognard?
    I also still have my basic D&D dice from the early 80's, the ones you had to 'colour in' with a white crayon, used them in a game on Saturday in fact! Heck, I still have my Holmes Basic 'wax dice' that came with the very very first boxed set back in 1976. Nobody will let me roll them anymore, they're completely worn out. lol. (the d6 can roll for 30 seconds easily and the most common result is 'DM decides if it is a 4 or a 6') Retreater I don't think you're a grognard man. You have fairly enlightened attitudes towards play from what I've read ;) I'd call someone a 'grognard' who steadfastly sticks to some very early modes of play and denigrates anything not crafted by the hand of Gary Gygax or at least hailing from the mid 70's when he was last a creative force in RPGs. No doubt that also dates me, lol.

Wednesday, 6th February, 2019

  • 09:57 PM - dave2008 mentioned Retreater in post 5e - Just Missing the Mark
    @Retreater Just wanted to let you know there is a conversion of 500 4e martial exploits to 5e on the DMsGuild that you might be interested in - and it is free! https://www.dmsguild.com/product_info.php?products_id=265088&it=1&SRC=Newsletter_FPW_text
  • 04:09 AM - AbdulAlhazred mentioned Retreater in post Skill Challenges in Essentials
    I'm not one of those who holds with Retreater's despair over SCs. They work WELL, and between the DMG, DMG2, and RC the sum total of the updated advice is not bad. Basically you have, as of RC, your success threshold, which skills are considered primary, and then how many free advantages and how many difficult checks the DM is allowed to require, plus the list of secondary skills. It is up to the DM and the players to work these things into the narrative. You need a dynamic narrative, with genuine conflict which engages with the PCs goals and plans. That can be fairly simple and basic for a Complexity 1 SC, but generally it will mean some real plot engagement for most SCs. Frankly I would take the idea that you are authoring the SC in detail up front with a grain of salt. I would prefer to think in terms of Story Now style 'scene framing' type play, where the players choose the general direction and approach, and the GM brings the conflict into a scene somehow, which in this case results in an SC. TBH I don't have a radi...

Tuesday, 5th February, 2019

  • 02:47 PM - Hussar mentioned Retreater in post 5e - Just Missing the Mark
    1 .Did you buy your book? If yes write in. 2. Are you going to become so world famous that people will bid $$$$$ for a post-it of your shopping list? WRITE IN YOUR BOOKS! 3. Do think writing in your books will kill the resell value? Unless you are 2, there are too many copies out in the world so, WRITE IN YOUR BOOKS! 4. Do need the notes in one place? WRITE IN YOUR BOOKS! Homework WRITE IN YOUR BOOKS! 100 times before Friday. NOOOOO!!! Don't go to the dark side. Books should remain as pristine as possible throughout the time you use them. :D Ok, my mom was a librarian. The notion of writing in books was beaten out of me at a young age. :p Out of the criticisms by Retreater, the one I will NEVER understand is the complaint about official adventures. This is 2019. We've had 3pp adventures in the game for twenty years now. Why in the name of little fishes do you need "official" adventures. DM's Guild lists almost 3 THOUSAND 5e adventures. What more do you need?

Sunday, 27th January, 2019

  • 04:02 PM - Jacob Lewis mentioned Retreater in post In Defense of 4E - a New Campaign Perspective
    Anyway! Getting back to the original point of this thread, I wanted to share my personal experiences for @Retreater since we seem to share similar (but unique) paths. My DM origins began further back with the Basic (Red) and Expert (Blue) sets, and then progressing through AD&D (1st/2nd) until it became D&D again (3rd/4th) and ended abruptly with the NEXT (5th) re-iteration. Finding a consistent gaming group was never easy for me until 4th edition came around, but I wasn't an immediate fan when it came out. To me, the game felt incomplete as it lacked many of the traditional player classes and races. But once the PHB2 came out, I took a more serious look. That's more like it! 4e wasn't without its flaws and shortcomings, but what edition of D&D isn't? But what I saw that really shined outweighed all of it. Classes designed to be equally balanced and useful no matter what you played. Cooperative play and design became more important (i.e. players were more often building characters as a group rather than a single entity hoping for a group to support whatever they wanted to do). Encounters were easie...

Tuesday, 22nd January, 2019

  • 08:49 PM - dragoner mentioned Retreater in post Would you invite this player?
    ...t better because some DM took a chance on us and we learned from the experience. Since there is some flexibility with the group size due to absences, he's a generally known quantity, and he's enthusiastic - I'd recommend taking him on but laying down some ground rules about your group's style (particularly on the teamwork/stealing from the party thing). Sooner or later he's going to have to learn that his own personal style preference will have to be compromised with the style preferences of other people at the table, and an experienced DM coming from a generally friendly direction can help with that. Yes, I stunk as a player and GM, still do, and I have been doing it since '79. I'm always keeping an eye towards being better at both. Though with this being the seventh player, I'd be leery of adding someone that could take up over their one seventh of allotted table space. It is a hard call, and you are totally right in that we all had to start somewhere, and the final arbitrator is Retreater and if they think the cost-benefit analysis means that taking them on is a positive thing. I also agree that setting forth the parameters of the game beforehand is really crucial.

Monday, 26th November, 2018

  • 06:06 PM - hawkeyefan mentioned Retreater in post Underpowered Group Found BBEG
    Even after the dragon....however that’s handled....ifthe PCs defeat it or of they run from it, won’t the rest of the dungeon likely be aware? Based on te more recent comments by Retreater, it seems like it’s more a flaw in how the dungeon’s presented. I think that based on that, it’s a bad idea to punish the PCs for poor design. Have a group of villains come along and the PCs can get dragged into combat which then alerts the rest of the denizens. Or have them hide and overhear about the magic gear that was taken from the last group of adventurers that came through. There are several ways you can take things. I’m not familiar enough with Forge of Fury to know the whole scenario, but there are plenty of general solutions.
  • 12:57 AM - hawkeyefan mentioned Retreater in post Underpowered Group Found BBEG
    Retreater I think that if you allow a total party kill or similarly harsh outcome, what you’re essentially doing is punishing them for being efficient. Only in a game would it be “smarter” to fight every opponent in a dungeon rather than sneak past most of them and then face only the boss. Probably not a great message to send to them, especially if they’ve already expressed frustration with character death. I think you have a few options. First would be to let them face the dragon, and see what happens. You can have the dragon be overconfident and have this show by playing him in a tactically careless manner. Maybe that will help swing things in the party’s favor. You can also have the dragon be surprised that the mere humanoids were able to hurt it, and have him flee to fight another day. No dragon wants to die, and a recurring foe is a great thing to have in a D&D game. If things go the dragon’s way, you can again have him be overconfident and not finish the party off. Have him let t...

Saturday, 20th October, 2018

  • 09:52 PM - Ovinomancer mentioned Retreater in post 5E's "Missed Opportunities?"
    ...ightly less than a +1. If you need a 2 you have a 95% to succeed normally, and 95% + 5% * 95% = 99.75%, agains slightly less than +1. This is the minimum. If you need an 11, you have a 50% normally, and a 50% + 50% * 50% = 75% with advantage. That's the equivalent of +5. This is the maximum. Your +/-6 to +/-7 is outside the range of what is possible. That mean it is likely not the average. You may want to double check you math. One common mistake I've seen is working out to roll 2d20 and subtract the higher fromt he lower. That's really comparing advantage (best for 2d20) with disadvantage (worst of 2d20). It's clear if you work it out as percentages what it can be for every target. Man, these arguments hurt me because there's this weird thing where everyone tries to map a normal distribution onto a flat distribution via +/-. It's wrong in a technical way. But, I'm an engineer, so that's probably just my bag. That said, the above is the right wrong way to do it Retreater, billd91. The "bonus" that advantage applies differs depending on what the target number on the d20 is for success. It's greatest in the middle, where it increases the chance of success by 25%, and weaker on the ends where it's bit less than a 5% bump. If you need to roll a 20, advantage helps by almost doubling your chances from 1/20 to 19/400, but if you need an 11, advantage increases your chances from 10/20 to 15/20. If you need a 2, advantage bumps you from a 19/20 to 399/400.

Friday, 12th October, 2018

  • 09:52 PM - TallIan mentioned Retreater in post Doh! Killed my party with a skill challenge
    So...just something to keep in mind: At level 6, the max skill bonus a non-rogue or bard will likely have is +7. If the DC is consistently 15, then the chance of failing is 35%. Which means that MORE THAN HALF THE TIME, with maximum skills, your party will get the 3 fails before they succeed 10 times. In practice, several PCs are likely to make attempts even WITHOUT optimal skills...meaning that the chance of success falls even more. If the price of failure is TPK, I might suggest you improve the odds a bit in the PCs' favor...or provide them with options (e.g. aiding each other for advantage or something) for improving their luck. Pretty much this. I've watched many of Matt Colleville's videos and I did like the skill challenge one. Retreater has essentially set the party up for failure here and since failure was a TPK that's pretty harsh. I don't say this to be a dick, but you need to consider the chance of success and allow for other options. Did they HAVE to go that way though the dungeon? If they had another option was it clear that there was another option and that one choice was deadly (and maybe quicker) and the other choice was safer (but maybe slower). As long as the player have a choice that has good odds of success all is fine, when they have no choice but to gamble on good dice rolls you're not creating a good playing environment. If you are using a skill challenge, it's more important that it seems exciting because of how you describe the action, rather than the players feeling stressed because of mounting failed rolls. You can also pressure the players by demanding quick responses, and keep the narrative going from your end if they dither, or forcing checks that they might not like because they too...

Tuesday, 21st August, 2018

  • 12:23 AM - Chaosmancer mentioned Retreater in post Revised Ranger update
    I am curious why you think it's haughty? I can't speak for Retreater , but for me there were a few lines in his tweet that jumped out to me. "There is one ranger: the one in the Player's Handbook" "Frankly, the revised ranger helped feed an internet-fueled view of the class... I wasn't sorry to end it." Both of those... the tone I picture them said in is almost derogatory. And, while I missed whatever it was he said in 2017 about never doing an alternative class, as someone posted earlier in this thread, two years ago near the end of 2016 (09/12/2016) they were saying very different things about the state of the Ranger. Just in the first paragraph of that PDF we have "the class’s high levels of player dissatisfaction and its ranking as D&D’s weakest class by a significant margin" quoted as the reason for the revisions. And they talk about doing research and finding the class lacking back then, it's abilities rated as some of the worst in the game and people generally being unhappy with it. And you know... that is weird to me. I ge...

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Thursday, 11th July, 2019

  • 06:38 PM - qstor quoted Retreater in post OSR Gripes
    I'm wondering "where's the fun?" in OSR games like Labyrinth Lord/Swords and Wizardry? The fun for me is playing a "stripped" down PC without all the bells and whistles of 5e/PF/d20. I started with 1e so I'm actually more partial to OSRIC than LL and S&W but I'm been playing DCC with a friend of mine lately and that's fun too.

Wednesday, 10th July, 2019

  • 10:56 PM - Quickleaf quoted Retreater in post OSR Gripes
    I'm wondering "where's the fun?" in OSR games like Labyrinth Lord/Swords and Wizardry? Using your wits to avoid rolling dice, and solving situations through creative thinking. That's where the fun is. In OSR games, when you're confronted with a challenge, you don't look to your character sheet first; rather, you look to your own ingenuity first.
  • 07:21 PM - Monayuris quoted Retreater in post OSR Gripes
    I get the appeal of Dark Soul type video games, but it's far different to restart a video game level than to roll a new character, try to make it interesting and unique, fit into a party of other players, and to contribute to an adverture in a meaningful way, when that character is no better than a kobold on paper. I understand the fun of games like Call of Cthulhu, but that's because the game is set up to uncover mysteries and fight as a last resort. OSR games seem to champion the Dungeon crawl and hack and slash style. But they don't seem to do it especially well. OSR games can definitely do the dungeon crawl, but yeah not so much hack and slash. In OSR games you don't want to hack and slash, you want to carefully plan your combats and use clever play to stack the deck in your favor. To support this, most OSR games feature rules for Reactions and Morale which tend to reduce the amount of combat that occurs in the game. The key to dungeon crawls is that the character is the avatar for the ...
  • 07:15 PM - Ralif Redhammer quoted Retreater in post OSR Gripes
    Can’t argue there. Even if, after the umpteenth time of getting slaughtered by Oceiros, the Consumed King or Ornstein and Smough, it might feel like it! But I think there’s also a context that’s changed over time. These days, I think most of us are used to (trying) to take a single character from the beginning to the end of the campaign). In the old days people had multiple characters they were levelling up in a single campaign. If you lost one character, whether to death or just being stuck waiting to heal up from the last adventure (no long rests, just 1-2 HP per day spent doing nothing), you had multiple choices for other folks to bring into the fray, right then and there. And you probably would then attempt to get the lost character raised or resurrected. I get the appeal of Dark Soul type video games, but it's far different to restart a video game level than to roll a new character, try to make it interesting and unique, fit into a party of other players, and to contribute to an advertur...
  • 07:15 PM - lowkey13 quoted Retreater in post OSR Gripes
    I get the appeal of Dark Soul type video games, but it's far different to restart a video game level than to roll a new character, try to make it interesting and unique, fit into a party of other players, and to contribute to an adverture in a meaningful way, when that character is no better than a kobold on paper. I understand the fun of games like Call of Cthulhu, but that's because the game is set up to uncover mysteries and fight as a last resort. OSR games seem to champion the Dungeon crawl and hack and slash style. But they don't seem to do it especially well. So, the bolded part is what interests me. One of the big differences, IMO, between classic OSR/1e style play and today's play (basically from 2.5e on, but especially with 3e on) is the emphasis on Chargen. I often think that a character isn't made interesting and unique in OSR in creation; it's only through play that the character becomes interesting and unique. I can create a 1e or B/X character, rolling included, in under 3 ...
  • 06:49 PM - Celebrim quoted Retreater in post OSR Gripes
    I get the appeal of Dark Soul type video games, but it's far different to restart a video game level than to roll a new character This is a very good point. For all the talk about how challenging Dark Soul is when you die you basically just lose a few minutes of work. Indeed, most of the challenge is stealing yourself against the grind of the game so that you suffer the inevitable setbacks gladly. But the loss of a character is more comparable to playing in a game's Hardcore mode all the time, and can mean losing 100's of hours of emotional investment. Losing a starting character isn't as big of a deal, but it still can be highly disruptive even if you play in a sort of game where you have mounds of dead bards because the DM lets your replacement character show up almost immediately. OSR games seem to champion the Dungeon crawl and hack and slash style. But they don't seem to do it especially well. Well, the old school style is there... some of the time. A lot of the time the du...

Tuesday, 9th July, 2019

  • 10:13 PM - Monayuris quoted Retreater in post OSR Gripes
    My first edition of D&D was 2nd edition AD&D, and through the years I invested heavily in 3e, 4e, and now 5e (in addition to a myriad other systems, including non-fantasy RPGs.) My friend, who is a retroclone apologist, wanted to run a Labyrinth Lord game. After rolling my character (even with the "4d6 drop the lowest" method), I came up with the worst imaginable array of ability scores: all 9-12 with no modifiers at all. Even one penalty score would've been preferable, as that would have at least given some flavor to the character. My character is the frontline fighter, and rolled 2 hp. The weakest monster in the book could literally one-shot him. Our cleric has one spell for the whole day. Our thief has (at best) around a 20% chance to do any thievery check - sneaking, opening a lock, disabling a trap, etc. I get that the point is to avoid combat, but they don't even give the party tools to do that. No one has a reliable chance to hide. No one has the ability to throw spells that can be...
  • 09:43 PM - Tony Vargas quoted Retreater in post OSR Gripes
    My character is the frontline fighter, and rolled 2 hp. The weakest monster in the book could literally one-shot him.Perfect: fight those until you die and then try to roll a better character. I'm wondering "where's the fun?"As a fellow old-timer who was one of the few regulars I could depend on to stick with a whole season at my Next Playtest table used to say: "You have to make your own fun!" :)
  • 09:27 PM - Celebrim quoted Retreater in post OSR Gripes
    I'm wondering "where's the fun?" in OSR games like Labyrinth Lord/Swords and Wizardry? Cynically, I've heard DM's on youtube or on blogs speak of OSR as the fun being that the PC's are helpless to avoid their machinations. There is a certain class of DM, and a certain class of content provider, that seems to delight in modules where the PCs have no real agency, the universe is vastly beyond their comprehension, everything is random whim, and they are vastly outclassed by the NPC's around them and limited in their resources and ultimately doomed to horrid deaths. Gleeful fun for a certain class of GM no doubt, but as a player all that gets old in a hurry. I've been playing D&D since the early 80's. I'm not completely baffled by the OSR nostalgia, as I can certainly point to my own variations of it in writing rules and adventures for 1e AD&D or from that mindset. But on the other hand, I'm completely baffled by the OSR as it actually exists. I played in that era. I understand prett...

Wednesday, 3rd July, 2019

  • 02:41 AM - Jer quoted Retreater in post Pathfinder Second Edition: I hear it's bad - Why Bad, How Bad?
    For me, it didn't start to click until Lost Mines of Phandelver. Honestly, while I might be checking in on the Pathfinder 2e news and flipping through the books when I see them, I doubt that even with major positive reviews I'll be jumping on board until a new Beginner Box comes out for it. There's just something about a good intro product to get me on board for a system even though I've been gaming for almost 40 years (good Lord that can't be right, can it? Yes, yes it is...) And I've quite liked both of Paizo's Beginner Boxes (Pathfinder and Starfinder).
  • 01:56 AM - Morrus quoted Retreater in post Pathfinder Second Edition: I hear it's bad - Why Bad, How Bad?
    I disliked D&D Next. I never even tried the Next Adventures (Ghosts of Dragonspear Castle?) I didn't like HotDQ when it came out. For me, it didn't start to click until Lost Mines of Phandelver. All I can say is that I didn't like the Pathfinder 2E Playtest. I want more information before making a decision about purchasing the full rules. I'm at a "soft pass" currently. I think you I just agreed with me. In 5 years time you’ll barely remember this playtest.

Tuesday, 2nd July, 2019

  • 02:12 PM - DMMike quoted Retreater in post Systems You'd Never Play after Reading Them
    FATE The narrative end of the game, the attempt to codify when a GM can introduce plots and complications, it's just not my thing. DCC and MCC Get those weird dice, nonsensical charts, and character funnels out of here. Checks all the boxes for what I'd never want to play. Valiant and Shadowrun Anarchy They're Catalyst, so you know they're bad. Passing GM duties from scene-to-scene is a gimmick I don't see working in any group I've ever played with. Dragon Age Hate the setting. I picked up Fantasy Age and realized I don't like the rules either. Mutants & Masterminds I don't know which edition I picked up, but the charts for comparing size to distance to height to weight to power of a laser blast befuddled me. Also, the GURPS-like selection of powers and hindrances weren't appealing. Shadow of the Demon Lord Was gonna play it, but I got Warhammer Fantasy 4e before I had the chance. So why? Starfinder Let's add more complications of technology and confusing starship combat on top one of the ...

Monday, 1st July, 2019

  • 07:52 PM - Uller quoted Retreater in post "What Do You Mean, They Don't Have Any Loot?"
    I think there's a disconnect between player expectations (from video games and previous editions) and the tools 5e actually gives DMs. Every session I run, after every encounter, in every group I run, players always search for treasure. They look for coin, they look for potions, they look for magic armor and weapons. To date, no official published adventure I've used has addressed this. None have used the guidelines in the DMG or Xander's Guide to Whatever. My party of 5th level characters are still so impoverished, they haven't yet gotten a single permanent magic item. (They've received a handful of potions.) The writers at D&D should follow their rules when creating adventures. What adventureshave you run? I ran Sunless Citadel out of Tales from the Yawning Portal...they got a +1 Longsword and a wand of entangle. Now they are in Forge of Fury and are about to find a couple more similar items. I guess some adventures have more than others? I know in Out of the Abyss there is a sunbla...
  • 07:35 PM - Tony Vargas quoted Retreater in post "What Do You Mean, They Don't Have Any Loot?"
    I don't want to be unreasonably stingy, but I don't want to unbalance the game by giving the PCs too much cash too early either.There's very little in 5e that hinges on wealth. Expensive material components and the best Armors are about it. Too much wealth too soon, and the heavy-armor types AC will be 1 higher than expected. Too little wealth and there are some spells that won't be practical to cast - but there are a /lot/ of spells to choose from. Not much potential to break the game, there, IDT. OTOH, giving out magic items... The DMG has a paragraph that states (paraphrasing): "a party can expect to roll on the treasure hoard chart x# of times per level." This sets a guideline to how many times a DM should award treasure during a campaign. But using said chart in the first place is optional, no? Because MM was very up-front about the design assumptions not including magic items. However, the one time I followed this, characters were stuffed to the gills with magic items a...
  • 03:45 PM - jayoungr quoted Retreater in post Horde of the Dragon Queen (what am I doing wrong)spoilers
    But I will say this is one of the worst published adventures I've seen in my 30 years in the hobby. In your opinion. Poorly balanced. This is also partly a matter of opinion and/or individual experience, because not all PC groups are equal. And in fairness to the folks who wrote it, the rules were being finalized at the same time as they were working on it. (Tip for TaranTheWanderer: if you do that encounter with the disguised assassins at the inn in chapter 4, you'll want to scale way back on that encounter. While they were writing the adventure, they were working from a draft of the monster manual where an assassin was a much lower-CR foe than the CR 8 it ended up being. I'd suggest using the stats for the bandit captain (CR 2) instead, maybe with a veteran (CR 3) for the leader if you think your players can handle it.) Complete railroad. Linear is not the same as railroad. But yes, if you prefer sandboxes, this is not going to be your cup of tea. I always recommend this...
  • 10:46 AM - Fanaelialae quoted Retreater in post "What Do You Mean, They Don't Have Any Loot?"
    The DMG has a paragraph that states (paraphrasing): "a party can expect to roll on the treasure hoard chart x# of times per level." This sets a guideline to how many times a DM should award treasure during a campaign. However, the one time I followed this, characters were stuffed to the gills with magic items and trounced most encounters. (I wonder if my copy of the DMG is the only one that has this paragraph in it, because no one - including the game designers - seem to remember it. Haha.) They're not mutually exclusive in terms of game design. You can design a game whose baseline assumption is no magic items, but also include distribution guidelines for tables that use treasure. Which is what the designers of 5e did. I'm away from my books but I believe there is also a section in the DMG which states that if you give out magic items, you may need to account for the added power in your encounter design. The primary alternative to that design would be to take magic items into account...
  • 02:19 AM - billd91 quoted Retreater in post Speeding Up Play (Without Being a Jerk)
    Should I grin and bear it? Should I try to teach them faster rolling methods? A mixture of both. The whole dice back into the bag after every roll thing is weird - very weird. Dice towers are also a bit of a weird affectation, but I've seen how people go for them to weed out some shady dice rolling techniques. Seems to me you should be able to ask them to dump all the dice involved in at once though. And the noise can be grating. So I can see banning them for that. But the dice trays? I suggest you get used to it. The group I've been with for over 20 years has been migrating toward the trays, in no small part, because they keep dice from scattering across or off the table. And when playing with D&D artillery spells and Shadowrun, that comes in handy.

Sunday, 30th June, 2019

  • 11:23 PM - Doc_Klueless quoted Retreater in post Should I Roll20?
    Should I back down on this for the sake of my friends' game?In short? Yes. Your friend and his/her/their happiness is more important that some online grudge. If they like running their game on roll20, they're comfortable with it and have done the necessary work to run it on there, it's a no brainer for me. But I'm not you, so... Should I try to encourage them to play on another service?Not in so many words, no. However, if there is a break in the game and they'd like you to run something, do Fantasy Grounds. That way they get to try the new platform without feeling forced to do so. People seem to naturally resist being forced to do something even when it's better for them. And in this case, it's not even that. Just a preference. The inner dwarf in me wonders "how long is long enough to hold a grudge?"Two seconds. I mean that. A grudge does nothing to punish the person, place or thing you have the grudge against and only occupies your own head space.
  • 08:35 PM - Tony Vargas quoted Retreater in post "What Do You Mean, They Don't Have Any Loot?"
    To date, no official published adventure I've used has addressed this. None have used the guidelines in the DMG or Xander's Guide to Whatever. My party of 5th level characters are still so impoverished, they haven't yet gotten a single permanent magic item. (They've received a handful of potions.) The writers at D&D should follow their rules when creating adventures.The baseline assumption in 5e is no magic (items), no wealth/level, and no make/buy. Your game should be running /smoother/, the encounter guidelines working better for you, than if you had let a few items drop.
  • 01:29 AM - FaerieGodfather quoted Retreater in post Systems You'd Never Play after Reading Them
    Palladium Fantasy, After the Bomb, Ninjas & Superspies, Beyond the Supernatural, Rifts, et al They're Palladium. They're bad, poorly organized games that confuse me mostly in how they still have a following despite 1987 production values, old school design, and some of the worst game mechanics. Despite agreeing with everything you've just said, I've tried and tried to run this system and I know that soon I will try again. I desperately want these games to work for me. Bet that has something to do with why they still have that rabid fanbase.


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