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    Yesterday, 07:17 AM
    First four pages...a LOT of picking and choosing here on rules... (2e DMG, original printing, pg 75). If you are including the optional rules of 1e, you should also use the optional rules of 2e. 2e also isn't a 0 HP point (at exactly 0 HP you are unconscious, lower than that...you be DEAD...though a DM can allow it as low as -3 I suppose), and a LOT more lenient and nicer overall. ...
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    Thursday, 11th July, 2019, 06:11 AM
    So is that how the fad died? I thought it just sort of died out like most fads do...people get excited and then eventually lose interest. I think the surprising thing that some are finding out these days are that FAR MORE girls played than previously thought. They just didn't play it in the same manner that boys did (more in their own groups at home instead of broadcasting it far and wide...
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    Wednesday, 10th July, 2019, 08:18 AM
    Once more, just a heads up that I am still working on this, though at a greatly slowed pace than at first. I expect to have another update coming around the end of August, to the beginning of September at my current pace.
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    Tuesday, 9th July, 2019, 05:54 PM
    This IS fascinating...isn't it. And we have to wonder how big it might get. Right now the claim is that 10% of ALL families in the populations that D&D is within (market penetration, actually selling) has at least someone playing D&D. 10% That is...of course, saying that Gale Force 9 has MAJOR sales on this!!!!
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    Tuesday, 9th July, 2019, 06:27 AM
    I watch late 70s and 80s stuff. Magnum P.I. was and still is awesome. They have a new series of it on CBS. MacGyver was and still is awesome. They also have a new series of it. Watched the old Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers. Kids and grandkids are bored stiff by them. Ironically, grandkids are bored by the newer BSG as well. It's a no win situation for them on that one. ...
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    Saturday, 29th June, 2019, 05:04 PM
    Gamer and designer Lee Garvin passed away. https://www.facebook.com/lee.garvin.3 https://www.patreon.com/LeeGarvin https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/334884471/killing-lee-garvin
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  • 12:47 PM - Hussar mentioned GreyLord in post Chinese Government Burns Cthulhu RPG Print Run
    GreyLord - "When should we censor" is an excellent question. However, like all excellent questions, we do need to unpack it a bit before answering. 1. How do you define censorship? What was done to White Wolf, for example, was not censorship. No governments were involved. And, frankly, these were business decisions, not moral ones. People objected to the content, and voted with their wallets. For WW to not do anything would negatively hurt their profits going forward, so, action had to be taken to salvage their reputation. However, that's not censorship. That's free market economics at work. In this case though, it's clearly textbook censorship. A government is destroying works. This isn't a company trying to salvage their reputation, this is a government repressing what they feel are transgressive writings. It will only really muddy the waters if we conflate the two things. A company removing something because of negative fan reaction is very, very different from a...

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Tuesday, 12th December, 2017

  • 01:28 AM - Wulffolk mentioned GreyLord in post Xanathar’s Guide to Everything is the fastest-selling Dungeons & Dragons book of all time
    I think that's what he was saying. By NOT selling books you avoid oversaturating the market (something 4e did very well [aka the market got oversaturated] and even 3.5 as sales kept diminishing more and more and more with each book), but at the same time you miss out on all the money you MIGHT make if you sold more books. Thank you, GreyLord That is essentially what I was getting at. I would like to see a greater quantity of player option material, but not quite so much as 3.5e and PF. I would like to see WotC find a nice middle ground.

Friday, 30th October, 2015

  • 09:13 PM - El Mahdi mentioned GreyLord in post Warlord Name Poll
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  • 05:41 AM - Meatboy mentioned GreyLord in post The Slaughter House: How dropping attributes will improve DnD
    GreyLord and Shemeska All too true. As much as I feel the way stats are set up isn't helping I really couldn't see WoTC doing anything so drastic. But with a new edition around the corner, especially one supposedly set up around modularization a guy can dream. shidaku I wasn't really thinking along the lines of multiple boxes. More like if your character is "strong"+x to hit and damage and strength skills or something. Maybe one for class, one for race and one for fun? There'd still be numbers I just feel that we don't roll a d6 to determine starting level so why do it for the rest of the stuff? Umbran Yes most stuff in the game is a personal preference. But with the touted modularity why not make stats a module? ;)

Monday, 18th November, 2013

  • 02:38 PM - Kinak mentioned GreyLord in post What's after Golarion? (and what's the future of Pathfinder?)
    ...ough to keep going for a long, long time. And, for each AP, there'll be some companion products for the areas and concepts it touches on. For example, we'll be getting our first in-depth look at Numeria around GenCon next year because that's where the winter 2014 AP is set. But there hasn't been an AP set in Isger or Galt or Rahadoum or a dozen other countries, so only a handful of those have books about them. The real question is why they'd risk splitting their playerbase by releasing a new setting. This leads me to the question of how Golarion is handled: is there some sort of ongoing history or is it a static world? Do the many APs leave their mark on the world?Basically static. The APs don't leave a mark unless you run them and decide they do for the purpose of your campaigns. Which makes sense. Otherwise, you'd have APs conflicting with the setting ("The queen is acting strangely." "You mean the one the setting books say got killed by a party of adventurers last year?"). @GreyLord is right that Shattered Star assumes you've run some earlier ones (mostly Rise of the Runelords). But the setting as a whole doesn't assume any of those are done already. Cheers! Kinak

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Friday, 19th July, 2019

  • 02:09 PM - billd91 quoted GreyLord in post 2e, the most lethal edition?
    First four pages...a LOT of picking and choosing here on rules... (2e DMG, original printing, pg 75). If you are including the optional rules of 1e, you should also use the optional rules of 2e. 2e also isn't a 0 HP point (at exactly 0 HP you are unconscious, lower than that...you be DEAD...though a DM can allow it as low as -3 I suppose), and a LOT more lenient and nicer overall. Here's the thing - the death's door rule isn't presented as optional in 1e, whereas it is in 2e. So this really isn't a case of cherry picking or including the optional rule in 1e but ditching it in 2e.

Saturday, 13th July, 2019

  • 02:30 PM - Jay Verkuilen quoted GreyLord in post 40 Million People Have Played D&D [UPDATED!]
    Well, it seems they clarified it (responding without having read the rest of the thread yet). The number is a hype number (no other hard numbers to back it up, such as PHB's sold total...etc.). <...> They want the impression that it is selling well and everyone is buying into it. This is good for marketing in some instances. Remember the advice of Sage Carlton Douglas Ridenhour: Don't believe the hype!

Thursday, 11th July, 2019

  • 04:49 PM - JustinCase quoted GreyLord in post 40 Million People Have Played D&D [UPDATED!]
    If it is still primarily ENGLISH copies that have sold... (snip) (1.5 Billion English speakers...but only 360 million are actually NATIVE English speakers as per google look ups, and over a billion are in other areas where D&D isn't sold much such as India...leaving us with 500 million in which the D&D market penetrates. I question the assumption about native English speakers being the sole audience. English is not my first language, and it isn't for any of the people I play with IRL, but we still use the English copies of the PHB etc. Firstly because there are no Dutch translations, and secondly because even if there were, hardly anyone would buy them because we're all familiar *enough* with English. I also question the figure of 40 million people that the original post says. Without knowing how they came up with this number, one cannot say if it is accurate, guesswork, or hyperbole.

Wednesday, 10th July, 2019

  • 08:45 AM - Zardnaar quoted GreyLord in post [4e] OSR Clone
    I have to apologize. I am still working on it but as the update would be minimal, not posting an update this time around. I got sidetracked by the death of a close friend that weekend and other items. After that, during the week, I got a little morose and started playing video games rather than working on this...and then I got EXTREMELY sidetracked. There is this game called Forza...and it's gotten me addicted to it presently. However, I am going to put it down and start up working on this again... Sorry for the distraction...I should look less at cars and dream car garages and more at D&D. I don't like car games as a general rule but Forza is great.

Tuesday, 9th July, 2019

  • 06:58 PM - Parmandur quoted GreyLord in post 40 Million People Have Played D&D [UPDATED!]
    This IS fascinating...isn't it. And we have to wonder how big it might get. Right now the claim is that 10% of ALL families in the populations that D&D is within (market penetration, actually selling) has at least someone playing D&D. 10% That is...of course, saying that Gale Force 9 has MAJOR sales on this!!!! If it is still primarily ENGLISH copies that have sold... That means 60% of households on average in English Speaking homes have a D&D player. That's spectacular...that's above any fad even.... (1.5 Billion English speakers...but only 360 million are actually NATIVE English speakers as per google look ups, and over a billion are in other areas where D&D isn't sold much such as India...leaving us with 500 million in which the D&D market penetrates. We are doing low ball numbers of family numbers at 3 per family...world wide parents have 2.4 children on average, but it is lower in Europe/US/Australia where the primary D&D market currently resides with 1.7 - 1.8 chi...

Tuesday, 18th June, 2019

  • 11:32 PM - Yaarel quoted GreyLord in post 4e Clone − help create it!
    I believe the idea of power sources and specifically the power sources listed in 4e could fall under copyright (and/or trademark). Same with the actual roles as defined in 4e (defender, controller, leader, etc). Just a heads up of some of the legal difficulties in this...though others can try to do it. They have more guts to try a direct copy on that account than I do. I create the following. There are four ‘styles’: divine, void, arcane, and worldly. These styles are methods or modes or ways. They correspond roughly to the 4e sources: divine, shadow, arcane, and martial. Each style can engage four ‘realms’: matter, life, mind, and force. I will update the Grid in the post above. The names ‘divine’ and ‘arcane’ are plainly ok to use. But other source names are concerning. Fortunately, the role names are less relevant here. Strictly speaking, D&D 5e lacks class sources. Of course, it has the names ‘divine’ and ‘arcane’. But these only refer to kinds of magic, rather than kin...

Sunday, 9th June, 2019

  • 12:52 AM - R_Chance quoted GreyLord in post Jonathan Tweet: Prologue to Third Edition
    Good point. I just went with what I head it most as. Originally I think many used it in the same way they had To Hit Armor Class Zero (Tac 0) or even T'hac 0, and then, by some, even THAC0 for those who even used the term. MOST (that i knew personally, which is definitely not an indicator of anything in application to a majority of players at the time) didn't even use the term related to T.H.A.C.0. for D&D and simply would say to hit or something else. Those who did could have various pronounciations, but later on I've heard it more often pronounced THACO instead as the term gained general use after 2e. So, I went with what ws most common. It may be related to where I was during those time periods as to why I heard the pronunciations that I did. Linguistic drift. In RPG spoken terminology :) It's funny, broadcast media struck a blow at it but the written word, be it book or internet, is still subject to it. Its the type of thing which given time / distance / separation created new d...

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Thursday, 6th June, 2019

  • 11:56 PM - Hussar quoted GreyLord in post Jonathan Tweet: Prologue to Third Edition
    /snip From another Thread....whether THAC0 was Tak Zero, or TAKO...depends on whether you were a 1e gamer or 2e gamer. It was from To Hit Armor Class Zero and thus was Thack Zero for the DMG and 1e. /snip We always pronounced it thaco, as in rhyming with taco. Why would anyone pronounce a "TH" as anything other than the "TH" sound? Unless you talk talk like Tweetie bird I suppose.
  • 05:51 PM - Azzy quoted GreyLord in post [4e] OSR Clone
    Okay, I've dragged it onto google docs, and then clicked share, but it wants me to names or email addresses? I might have figured this out, lets see if this works https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HeZGsWfpAjCIy7zfTW0QXUp3laifncLb/view?usp=sharing Tell me if the link works or not. If it doesn't if you could help me figure out what I did wrong, it would be appreciated. Looks good. :)
  • 08:35 AM - Azzy quoted GreyLord in post [4e] OSR Clone
    I could probably do Google Drive...as I have google accounts. Never done it that way. How do I make it so people can access Google Docs? Pretend I am your ignorant Grandpa on this (probably not too far off the mark for some of the younger people here) who is pretty ignorant on how technology works...so step by step could be useful. Drag and drop the file that you want to share to the Google Drive. After it uploads, righ-click on and select "Share"—it'll bring up a window asking how you want to share. You'll probably want either "View" or "Comment". After you select that, click on "get sharable link", and it give a link that you can copy and past to this thread (or anywhere else you want to share it to. I've provided an image to help. If you need anything else, just ask. 106866
  • 08:04 AM - Azzy quoted GreyLord in post [4e] OSR Clone
    If someone knows where we could have a d/l spot (that has no spyware with it) that would also do in a pinch, especially for people to see the full document and evaluate what is being done as it progresses. Google Drive would be the most obvious choice. DropBox and OneDrive work, too. If you want more anonymity, you could try Mega or 4shared.

Sunday, 26th May, 2019

  • 12:24 AM - Tony Vargas quoted GreyLord in post [4e] OSR Clone
    HOWEVER...what I do not see being able to be done is to have the classes of Avenger, Invoker, or Warden be classes that are even similar to those in the PHB 2 as there is no historical context in the way the D&D made them as classes as far as I'm aware of. No Goliaths, Deva's or shifters either. . The Warden and Avenger never gelled for me. I never did see where the former concept came from (beyond corner of Primal & Defender grid-filling - not that there's anything wrong with filling a grid, if you're gonna have one, anyway). And while the latter was clear enough I never quite got how it was intended to be played - didn't stop multiple players from having a great time playing one in my games, though. Anyway, actual topic, needing to scrub off the names like that really obviates some of the point of 'cloning,' in the first place, doesn't it?

Saturday, 25th May, 2019

  • 08:39 PM - Voadam quoted GreyLord in post [4e] OSR Clone
    I was under the impression that the SRD didn't necessarily allow all of it to be used under the OGL, I could be mistaken though. If is covered as useable under the 3e OGL, then that would mean we are good to go with them. From page one of the 5e SRD: The following items are designated Product Identity, as defined in Section 1(e) of the Open Game License Version 1.0a, and are subject to the conditions set forth in Section 7 of the OGL, and are not Open Content: Dungeons & Dragons, D&D, Player’s Handbook, Dungeon Master, Monster Manual, d20 System, Wizards of the Coast, d20 (when used as a trademark), Forgotten Realms, Faerûn, proper names (including those used in the names of spells or items), places, Underdark, Red Wizard of Thay, the City of Union, Heroic Domains of Ysgard, Ever-­‐‑ Changing Chaos of Limbo, Windswept Depths of Pandemonium, Infinite Layers of the Abyss, Tart...
  • 07:57 AM - pemerton quoted GreyLord in post [4e] OSR Clone
    You can't use Dragonborn, Warlords, Tieflings etc as they are not covered. Warlord should not be a problem in my opinion. Many OGL products have classes that have similar or the same name as D&D. WotC can copyright the Warlord as a specific thing, but the actual Word Warlord should be able to be used in an OGL product. Obviously, just as with the other classes (and this would apply to ANY class) it cannot be a copy and paste job and must be original and in accordance with the OGL. As Warlord as a description of a military leader has been in use for over a millennia, I do not see a difficulty in using it in the same context as it's dictionary definition for a class that operates as a leader. It should be fine using it as a class name in relation to the dictionary meaning which WotC cannot copyright (unless they take a LOT more than simply one small group to court). If people still feel it is problematic we could change it's term to Military officer or Regal, Noble, or something...
  • 04:36 AM - Voadam quoted GreyLord in post [4e] OSR Clone
    Tiefling and Dragonborn also cannot be utilized. I'm more likely to go with the term of Dragonmen or Dracs or Dracomen instead for Dragonborn...Tieflings on the otherhand...unsure. The terms tiefling and dragonborn absolutely can be used. Tieflings are in the 3e srds in the monster section under planetouched and dragonborn are in the 5e srd and you can use OGC from any OGL product.

Thursday, 23rd May, 2019

  • 09:14 PM - Tony Vargas quoted GreyLord in post [4e] OSR Clone
    Not quite sure where to put it. Though the D&D forum but then noticed that this forum actually seems to have more 4e threads than the D&D forum presently. Yeah, that's due to past organization. This used to be PF & Older Editions, the 4e threads were started then and haven't all petered out yet. Now it's just PF. (Dunno why those other threads haven't just been moved.) Rightly, you should put this thread in the D&D forum, with the 4e tag. Until they change it again, anyway. This is a thread devoted specifically to a 4e clone that I will work on. Still trying to figure out which SRD or OGL (or PRD) I will be using. PRD could be the easiest to actually use to make it, though I'm open to any and all suggestions. PRD? 13th Age is often called out as similar to 4e, and Pelgrane has the "Archmage Engine" OGL for it. Might be easier starting from that? Working on a 4e OSR would mean I would want it to be able to be seamless with 4e, which would also include the XP tables for...
  • 08:41 PM - Yaarel quoted GreyLord in post Favourite D&D edition that’s not 5E
    I originally meant the OGL which came out with 3e/3.5 but I could look at using 5e's instead. With 5e I'm unsure if we could manipulate it to work with 4e's XP tables. Working on a 4e OSR would mean I would want it to be able to be seamless with 4e, which would also include the XP tables for 4e. If not the XP tables, at least something that can be somewhat similar to how 4e did XP (Pathfinder seems to have a closer XP table than 3e did, and closer at lower levels than 5e does...though if the 5e SRD allows us to change the XP tables I could change the numbers to be more in accordance with 4e XP advancement). Heh, personally, I dont use xp anyway. So I would ignore any xp table anyway. On average, players level up after 8 encounters. But an encounter that turns out to be heavy might count as two or three encounters. Oppositely, an encounter that turns out to be trivial only counts as half an encounter. Level up after the session when everybody agrees it feels right to level up. My sy...
  • 01:43 AM - CleverNickName quoted GreyLord in post Favourite D&D edition that’s not 5E
    Okay, with 4e keeping such a HUGE lead, if it keeps this up, this summer I'll devote time to make OSR 4e ruleset. That sounds like an awesome summer project! I'm a fan of retro-rules. At this very moment, the survey stands at 29.02% for 4e and 25.24% for 3.x. That's a lead of only 3.78%...so perhaps there is also enough interest for a 3e summer project. The SRD is still out there; maybe I'll cook something up.

Wednesday, 22nd May, 2019

  • 08:49 PM - doctorbadwolf quoted GreyLord in post Favourite D&D edition that’s not 5E
    I suspect the lack of a visible edition war vs 5Ed may have as much to do with ENWorld policy against edition warring as anything else. I say that because I know there are PLENTY of people in my area not adopting the new edition. They’re griping, but not as much online. Twitter is also vastly more positive about 5e than it was about 4e. It's also more positive about 4e than it was several years ago, actually. Though they've proven futile, the point of them is to get a decent, official, Warlord in 5e - not warring against 5e. Right. Those threads are full of two kinds of people A. Those who like Warlords and 5e, and disagree with the statements sacrosanct quoted about why Warlords don't work or whatever. (seriously, there isn't any less a consensus amongst warlord fans than amongst paladin or ranger fans) 2. Thread crappers who have nothing useful to add to the thread, but instead just seem to want to crap on the thread premise, and every thought presented by those who are genuinely enga...


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