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Friday, 2nd November, 2018

  • 01:48 PM - jasper mentioned Panda-s1 in post Burning Questions: Why Do DMs Limit Official WOTC Material?
    Panda-s1 “..(uh, they're all friends, right??)?...” Nope. I think in out 38 years since I started playing maybe 2 years everyone at the table were my friends. The other times it was Friends of Friends (who we decided not let them buy pizza because they insisted on no mushrooms), family of members of friends, (which I was not invited to their birthday party). “.. OR Bob still refuses to innovate…” and when Jo Vegan becomes a success and pulls the veggie crowd away. Bob restaurant GROWS TOO because “He has the MEAT” and half the casual wait staff of JO quit and go to BOB BEEFEATER because the beef eaters tip better. Success for Bob again! Be like Bob eat beef! A burger today keeps a vegan away on Tuesday! the Jester “..not all six want to run the game. In my experience, that's a pretty rare table…” Crying. Thank you, Thank you. As I stated I generally had 7 players 6 dms. And all the dms wanted a fair time share of the players. Before the group broke up for life reasons, we started running d...

Thursday, 1st November, 2018

  • 04:37 PM - pemerton mentioned Panda-s1 in post Burning Questions: Why Do DMs Limit Official WOTC Material?
    ...r fun?No. That's not distinctive to RPGing. The potential to collectively establish a fiction in a very distinctive way, via a "real time" largely unedited interplay of protagonism and antagonism. Yes it is a social activity, but who is playing the role of the DM when the group is selecting the film or restaurant? Now in this example there might be a sole driver who will be picking everyone up and may determine what is the best route for him/her to the restaurant, which restaurant may be too far, and where to pick up everybody or the person who makes the reservations for the movie, asks everyone to pay them prior booking movie tickets and by a certain date and tells them to meet them outside the theatre at a particular time.There may be. Perhaps the game is at someone's house, and that person simply goes bananas every time the drow are mentioned. Or whatever. It seems these sorts of things can be accommodated by other reasonable people. But - and again I think here I overlap with Panda-s1 - I don't see those as the typical sort of case. The GM who wants to run a world with no magic is not like the driver who has to undertake the chore of dropping everyone off. If running the game is a chore then something has already gone badly wrong. (And of course if person X is the driver because they enjoy driving everyone aroundand don't find it a chore - I've known some people like that - then suddenly they don't get any special say on which restaurant we go to, do they?) I'm not saying the compromising step should not existI'm suggesting that to frame it as compromise is already like framing GMing as a chore - something has misfired. the DM might abhor a certain feat, spell, race or class - should they not be allowed to say "Sorry guys, but I really dislike the concept of monks - so no monks." Is that a bad DM in your books?Without more context, frankly that person sounds a bit precious. But if they have a good reason why a monk wouldn't work, then presumably they ...
  • 01:36 PM - pemerton mentioned Panda-s1 in post Burning Questions: Why Do DMs Limit Official WOTC Material?
    Given that the 5e DMG is full of Master-of-the-Setting type advice, it might be seen that with comments such as these, you're implying that the WotC designers seem to be undermining the game.I woudl say that they tend to undermine rather than fost what is fun and distinctive about RPGing, yes. I see a parallel to 2nd ed AD&D in this respect. Where can one draw the line so that you will be satisfied as a player? Because when posters inform you that the DM is essentially master of the setting which coincides with the advice provided by the DMG, you come back with is the setting so inflexible? No one is saying that DM's may not work with their players towards a solution, but it seems like you are pushing that HAS to be the case every time. The No answer is never accepted. Exactly where is the line? Don't give us the setting inflexible nonsense.I find this srong normative language a bit out of place, I think maybe for the same reason as Panda-s1. Putting to one side certain formal or semi-formal contexts (AL games, convention games, club games with a GMing roster, etc) we're talking about a social activity among friends. So the question of "where the line is drawn" is the same as "where is the line drawn on choosing a film or choosing a restaurant" - it's a matter of social negotiation among people who may have slightly divergent preferences, and almost certainly have divergent starting points, but who put a high priority on doing the thing together. A further consideration in relation to RPGing, though - and the one that I was emphasising upthread in the post you replied to - is that integrating and combining preferences, and bleding divergent starting points to form a common destination, is part of what is good about RPGing. Because it's part of establishing a shared fiction together. So whereas, when it comes to films or restaurants, sometimes we have to compromise, with RPGing compromise often isn't the right notion at ...

Monday, 29th October, 2018

  • 01:37 PM - jasper mentioned Panda-s1 in post Burning Questions: Why Do DMs Limit Official WOTC Material?
    Oh you beautiful wonderful bas…. Person OP. “Appropriate Thematics” is a beautiful word. It is a better than “It is the DM’s world. You don’t have to play in it”. If I would homebrew a campaign (I do Adventure League), for Appropriate Thematics I would ban: Feats, just because I want to see how the game would run without them. No Underdark races as PCs. I would like to keep the Underdark as evil place to visit; not one you go home to for your family reunion. Partial ban on Volo’s Monster. You come up with a great backstory. But you will be occasionally at disadvantage on something. Why because Grandma just got ran over by goblin in a goat cart. So I a coward Panda-s1. No I would start right out banning stuff because as jmucchiello said, I been burned by OFFICIAL MATERIAL before. Had Bob loan be the “Complete Copy of Paladins” for a week. I missed the big thing. I asked Bob, “Anything crazy or over powered in this paladin? “ And Bob replied, “No” First COMBAT ON THE FIRST LEVEL WITH HIS LEVEL ONE PALADIN OUT COMES a HOLEY AVENGER. Then Bob whined and half the table whined when I banned it. Sorry CapnZapp for decades in various games I been meeting players who say it is Official you must allow it. I have not discovered where this line of thought comes from.

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Tuesday, 25th June, 2019

  • 08:24 PM - Mournblade94 quoted Panda-s1 in post RPGs Finally Get Some Credit in Defining a Galaxy: A Review
    I mean for starters it doesn't help they're so insecure as to necro a 3 week old thread because someone disagrees with them. but also the arguments against TLJ feel inane at best. I don't even want to touch the absolute garbage arguments (though I will say the video saying "diversity ruined star wars" that YouTube keeps suggesting can :):):):) right off). beyond that a lot of the arguments feel like either people weren't paying attention, or just can't accept certain plot points. it also doesn't help that your average fan who hates TLJ feels the need to crap on it at every opportunity. like I'm not the biggest fan of RotJ but I still enjoy it. Yes Insecurity. Because people that have been away for awhile never read threads that interest them. I wasn't particularly interested in checking the date. So Occams razor definitely points to me being insecure. You are allowed to think the arguments against the movie are inane. Its a discussion about an item of entertainment. I think the argument...

Monday, 24th June, 2019

  • 08:27 PM - Mournblade94 quoted Panda-s1 in post RPGs Finally Get Some Credit in Defining a Galaxy: A Review
    yes, I'm fully aware of the hate toward the newer Star Wars thank you, you don't need to inform me. if there's one thing to take from what I said is that your average star wars fan is wretched and believe anything other than the original theatrical versions of A New Hope (sorry I mean Star Wars) and Empire Strikes Back is trash. this isn't a dichotomy either, you'll find plenty of fans who hate both the special edition movies and the newer trilogy. there's nothing "emergent" about nostalgia for Lucas's original vision, that's been the default since Return of the Jedi first came out. You can be a huge STAR WARS fan, not be wretched, Recognize the Force Awakens as good, and STILL think The LAst Jedi was an awful movie. I've been a defender of EVERY movie that came out for Star Wars, especially the prequels. The only movie I can't defend and despise is The Last Jedi. That's when I started to question whether Disney was a good thing for Star Wars. For some reason, people get very sensitive to...

Tuesday, 11th June, 2019

  • 02:19 AM - Henry quoted Panda-s1 in post RPGs Finally Get Some Credit in Defining a Galaxy: A Review
    I don't know what universe you're living in, I know plenty of fans who complain about the old movies constantly (and that's not even talking about the special editions). now fans my age may be more accepting of the prequel trilogy and special edition movies, but by no means do fans of any era treat the Lucas-era Star Wars as "perfect". Just google “Disney ruined Star Wars” and you’ll get a deluge of fan-hate; now, there are also plenty of people who talk about Lucas ruining Star Wars with special editions and midichlorians as well, don’t misunderstand - but it seems like as time goes on and the Sale of Lucasfilm retreats further away in time, a rose-colored picture of “old Lucasfilm” seems to be emerging, and most particularly is the image of the first three films as the gold standard by which all others have fallen short. My point is that people often forget that, if it was only George Lucas making contributions to the original trilogy, it would likely not have been as popular as it was. On...

Thursday, 30th May, 2019

  • 04:55 PM - Matthia05718273 quoted Panda-s1 in post Another Look at the D&D Essentials Kit
    very few people have the luxury to just ask the DM to run something else. you also seem to be missing the part where thanks to the D&D boom and modern media (y'know livestreaming and podcasts) people will know about what happens in the adventure before ever setting out to play D&D for the first time. sure it's a great adventure for beginners (idk how many times I have to say this) but a first adventure is kinda useless if the players already know what's gonna happen in it. also not everyone has the luxury to have a set RPG group. it's been almost 2 years since my regular group has gotten to meet, so I'll go to a single day D&D event if I can, but most of these events will be beginner friendly and therefore be at first level and guess what every DM thinks is a good first level adventure to run lol I've been going to a drop-in drop-out D&D meetup for about 3 months now, specifically designed for beginners. Not once has anyone run Phandelver. If you can't find a DM who isn't creative...

Wednesday, 29th May, 2019

  • 11:24 PM - Matthia05718273 quoted Panda-s1 in post Another Look at the D&D Essentials Kit
    I mean okay, cool, I guess that's nice, but that doesn't change what I said: The Lost Mine of Phandelver is being overused, and the fact you're recommending it to others to get into D&D doesn't help. Even if they're getting into it through something that isn't using the adventure, they're going to learn a lot about that adventure and many intro/impromptu events will be ruined because this is the one adventure anyone wants to run without making their own. I bought the starter set; I read it so I can run D&D for friends. Then I go to a D&D event at my local game store one day and SURPRISE it's the Lost Mine of Phandelver, gotta pretend I don't know this adventure so I don't ruin it for everyone else. A year later it seems like I'll finally run D&D for friends, and then it doesn't happen, but that's okay 'cause AS IT TURNS OUT the Lost Mine of Phandelver was used in the first arc of The Adventure Zone, a podcast that at least two of these said friends are really into, so it's not a terrible lo...

Saturday, 25th May, 2019

  • 11:58 AM - jasper quoted Panda-s1 in post Another Look at the D&D Essentials Kit
    did I say it was a bad adventure? Lost Mine of Phandelver is a good adventure for beginners; the quality of the adventure is not the issue I brought up at all. to use your example of Keep on the Borderlands: that adventure may not have been the best, but that's not the point. that adventure did not exist in a time when D&D was super popular and your local game store may not have been so noob friendly. D&D in the media was either the cartoon or some sort of controversy; the idea of an accurate depiction of RPGs being played on any show was fairly unlikely, let alone reveal actual info about the adventure itself. now I'm sure some enterprising individuals got a hold of their own copy of KotB to cheat at someone else's game, but otherwise it's not like someone could casually find out what happens in that adventure. that's not the case with Phandelver, and the fact that any new player can so much as sneeze at the internet and ruin the adventure for themselves is in of itself a problem. ?...

Wednesday, 22nd May, 2019

  • 07:36 PM - jasper quoted Panda-s1 in post Another Look at the D&D Essentials Kit
    ... At this point I feel like this adventure is only useful if your players have been living under a rock and intend to stay there for the rest of their lives. (...). Psst Psst. Your XP does not mean sand. My players must have rocks in their head because most have not played in it. What the quartz is Adventure Zone? Sounds like bad anime on the cartoon channel. Maybe you should grit your teeth, and let others suggest good adventures. Lava on.
  • 06:13 PM - collin quoted Panda-s1 in post Another Look at the D&D Essentials Kit
    I mean okay, cool, I guess that's nice, but that doesn't change what I said: The Lost Mine of Phandelver is being overused, and the fact you're recommending it to others to get into D&D doesn't help. Even if they're getting into it through something that isn't using the adventure, they're going to learn a lot about that adventure and many intro/impromptu events will be ruined because this is the one adventure anyone wants to run without making their own. At this point I feel like this adventure is only useful if your players have been living under a rock and intend to stay there for the rest of their lives. . I disagree with your opinion that "Lost Mines of Phandelver" is being overused. I have often seen it cited on EN World for new DMs who are looking for a 1st adventure to run with new players (far better than trying to run Hoard of the Dragon Queen for the first time, imo). I think it serves a purpose, and it has served that purpose well. I wish my DM had chosen that adventure wh...

Tuesday, 21st May, 2019

  • 11:50 PM - ddaley quoted Panda-s1 in post Another Look at the D&D Essentials Kit
    ....what? I've never heard of this kickstarter before... Surprised you missed hearing about this. There were multiple articles about it on enworld and it managed to garner over 8200 backers. You might want to take a look at it: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/arcanumworlds/odyssey-of-the-dragonlords-5th-edition-adventure-b
  • 11:06 PM - ddaley quoted Panda-s1 in post Another Look at the D&D Essentials Kit
    it probably doesn't help that Lost Mine of Phandelver has run its course after 5 years. almost every D&D night/intro to D&D DM will use it, and it also doesn't help most popular actual play groups have used it as well. If you backed Odyssey of the Dragonlords, or followed the comments, you would have noticed that that kickstarter is getting people to play D&D who have never played before. I recommended LMoP to them as a way to learn how to play and DM while waiting for that kickstarter to fulfill. So, I wouldn't say that it has completely run its course yet.

Tuesday, 20th November, 2018

  • 04:04 AM - Maxperson quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    You do realize the pdf version went on sale, right? Even if it were a leak they're seeing the full effects of their blurb right now. You do realize that it's impossible to see the full effects in such a short time, right? We have no way to know how effective a boycott would have been since one never really had time to get started. Did you miss the part where it says it's all a distraction? In the Chechnya of the v5 universe LGBT people are being persecuted not because of religious hate or general homophobia (y'know like in real life), but just to keep up the guise of "Sharia law". It says that they are deflecting from what's happening in Chechnya by misdirecting it as Sharia law. And we know that LGBT are in fact being persecuted because of homophobia, because vampire LGBT members are also being persecuted. Were it just some sort of distraction of the kine on the part of the vampires, no LGBT vampires would be persecuted. There must be homophobia and/or religious hate involved. If it ...
  • 02:15 AM - TheCosmicKid quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    No, no, if the Vampire community were really that LGBT friendly they wouldn't even have this plot at all. The text even actively discourages doing anything about the problem. If it were really just a regional issue then there wouldn't really need to be an excuse of being a "distraction", it would simply just be vampires running the Chechen government are also just really homophobic. Also the text describes it as "media manipulation" when in reality the Chechen government vehemently denies any sort of genocidal activity against the LGBT community. What media is being manipulated and how? Only the media outside of Russia could really get away with reporting it, so that would imply some level of collaboration with vampires outside of Chechen territory. I think you're thinking about the implications more than the writers did. Which is part of the problem, of course.

Monday, 19th November, 2018

  • 02:30 PM - Maxperson quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    What? No one is saying we shouldn't talk about the LGBT genocide in Chechnya, they're saying it shouldn't be portrayed as a plot to distract people from vampires. Presented the way it is makes the writers look like they think the issue seems trivial, and being presented with a fictional premise will make those who are less knowledgeable believe it's something that was made up for the game. No one wants it removed from the book because they're "offended". I don't see it that way at all. I read the wording in the links provided, and the writers make sure to say that the horrors the LGBT community are going through in Chechnya are happening. It provides a vampire twist to it, but it doesn't attempt to minimize the horrors at all. As you mention, the only ones who might believe that it was something made up for the game are those who don't know about what is really happening in Chechnya, and those people are already ignorant. However, since White Wolf is well known to use real world happenin...
  • 01:35 PM - Sadras quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    If that's the case then why the hell would they say "That said, even among the Kindred any kind of "homosexual behavior" is punished harshly." in the same paragraph as detailing what the Chechen government is doing? I don't think the people making v5 are very sympathetic toward the LGBT community, even in regards to fans if this is actually the case. Well that statement comes as a surprise to me. Is this vampire comment something that existed in the 90's and are they referring to all Kindred or just a clan or sect or those in Chechnya?
  • 04:24 AM - TrippyHippy quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    Yep, I was attempting to make up a direct quote in that sentence there, you got me lmao. Actually, looking at the passage from the book "recurring international controversy" just makes it sound like LGBT face generally bad persecution, WHICH THEY DO but this just makes it easier to brush off as the same ol' same ol' from a third world country (er, "country") instead of the actual genocide that started last year. Also the genocide being described as "a distraction" is just kinda gross. Really though, if this is how people are learning about the genocide for the first time as you say then they should probably do a better job than this portrayal. There are people like me who knew about what was going on, and those who will take it seriously. But then there'll be people who will just write it off as typical third world behavior, then the people who write it off as fiction created for the world of V5 (and also the people who'll believe Chechnya is a fictional middle eastern country that the wr...
  • 12:16 AM - Maxperson quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    Man, you can highlight a real world issue without trivializing it. You can also do better than "the Chechen leaders are actually bad vampires! O:" But also, even if this did increase social awareness to the problem I find it hard to believe people are going think it stopped because WW took it out of one of their books. Sure, but on the other hand, it's really not possible for a game to trivialize something, because people aren't going to take a game seriously. It's a game. Now, if a government dismissed what was going on, that would be trivializing the issue.

Sunday, 18th November, 2018

  • 11:29 PM - TrippyHippy quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    Man, you can highlight a real world issue without trivializing it. You can also do better than "the Chechen leaders are actually bad vampires! O:" But also, even if this did increase social awareness to the problem I find it hard to believe people are going think it stopped because WW took it out of one of their books.That piece didnt trivialise anything - it presented the full brutality of what was going on - and you have just created a strawman by making up non existant quotes. If you find it hard to believe, let me inform you that the Chechnyan government have now used the withdrawal of text from White Wolf as a piece of propaganda to claim that they have won a victory against 'Western Propaganda'. The LGBT people in Chechnya are now less empowered than they were to speak out, as a consequence.
  • 08:00 PM - Rygar quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    idk if you've heard of that NPC theory nonsense some people believe. Basically it's something like sjw's are actually NPCs because they use the same phrases over and over or something like that (really it's just another excuse to degrade people they don't agree with), but personally I feel like people who buy into that theory believe all the other people who believe it are also NPCs. I don't think you understand what is meant by calling others "NPC". It's a reference to video games where an NPC has a script they cannot deviate from that is very limited in scope and repetative. Like an NPC who praises a captain of the guard with "He's the most honorable warrior in the land!", you expose him as a traitor against the king, and return to the NPC who still declares "He's the most honorable warrior in the land!". Bethesda games are great examples, because their NPC scripting is such that they almost never acknowledge anything you do, anything that changes, or if they do it's one line and then th...
  • 07:28 PM - TrippyHippy quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    .Oh, no, now the atrocity against LGBT people in Chechnya will be forgotten, if only the internet hadn't gotten outraged over a supplement to an already controversial RPG, how else will people know about what's going on? I'll be honest, at this point I can't tell whether or not you've been trolling us this entire time. That or you just honestly don't believe people were talking about what was going on in Chechnya before the v5 controversy. I knew about it.You have accused me of trolling already on this thread, but looking at your contributions here, I think it's you who seems to be guilty of this. As pointed out before, it's a straight up ad hominem. People werenot talking about the situation in Chechnya in any great numbers before this controversy, and I think quite a lot of people would acknowledge this if they are being honest. Good for you, if you knew about it - but I still think that anger against a game company is misplaced, if what they were trying to do was highlight a real wor...

Friday, 16th November, 2018

  • 11:55 PM - TrippyHippy quoted Panda-s1 in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    So now even more people know about it? Why is this a bad thing? What is there to regret?The regretful thing is that I don't think people will continue to think about it now that the relevance to a gaming product has been rescinded. No I asked what you're doing about it. What have these "charitable events" and letters done? I can escalate this to its inevitable conclusion: Why aren't you in Chechnya doing something about this? Why aren't you taking up arms and overthrowing the government?They have provided awareness and funds towards groups that have a lot more know-how about how to pressurise and influence governments - despite it always being an uphill battle - than people who seem to think violent revolution is an answer to everything. Also, idk how you're questioning how voting can affect this issue just because politicians didn't bring up the issue specifically. Voting for LGBT positive candidates, does that help?What LGBT candidates, that have stood on this platform, are you refe...


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