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    Yesterday, 10:07 PM
    I appreciate your love of FR (truly, I do- I think you're one of the most knowledgeable FR people on this forum!), but .... that would not be for me. :) (As I've mentioned before, I prefer settings without stuff filled in; even post-1983 GH is way too cluttered for my taste.)
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    Yesterday, 10:05 PM
    ????? Um ... maybe it's because I use a lot of words and stuff, or maybe it's because you don't read the footnotes and/or have not seen the greatest movie of all time, but I don't think I could have been more clear. Sometimes, I just like to see what people are thinking. In fact, that's almost all the times I start a thread. I'm more curious as to what other people think, because I know...
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    Yesterday, 08:41 PM
    The novelization of the movie that's based on the book! Yeah, I saw that too. ;) Travis Henry Your desire is great. HOWEVER, the above quote encapsulates the problem. D&D is an RPG. As such, to make it a good reading experience, liberties have to be taken- with the rules, for example. No one wants to read a typical D&D combat ... to use one example. If you want, you can look at all...
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    Yesterday, 08:08 PM
    "If you could put D&D into any other non middle ages genre, what would it be?" Middle ages genre? MIDDLE AGE??!??! Well, I mean, first of all, I resemble that comm... erm, I resent that comment. But if I had to change it up, I'd make D&D more of a hula hoop genre.
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    Yesterday, 08:03 PM
    You can't. Narrative isn't core to RPGs. It's not like you can ever borrow narrative or literary techniques from books! The only way to engage for DMs and players to engage each other is with framing. Wordless, but meaningful, framing. :) /ducks
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    Yesterday, 07:25 PM
    I think that is almost always the case, and I appreciate the candor. In fairness, does anyone ever know what they are trying to achieve? Or are we all more like dogs chasing cars? But I did notice that, since the beginning of the thread, you never really grappled with the use of RPGs in genre; specifically, humor.* So, how does framing sans narrative work in a humorous RPG? That's...
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    Yesterday, 07:20 PM
    Well, I wish I was that enlightened! As you can tell from my other threads* I enjoy violence as much as the next person. It was more, "Why?" And specifically, "Why so much in the RPGs?" The predicate was, as I mentioned, re-visiting B2, which not only allowed a particular strain of hobomurder that was common in the late 70s and early 80s ... it encouraged it. Even to a "realistic" extent...
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    Yesterday, 06:03 PM
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 08:35 PM
    Interesting! Thank you for the link. FWIW, I would like a boxed set (as in new stuff, not just a re-skinned beginners' box, or collecting the previously-published books). Something like the ... wait for it ... GREYHAWK BOXED SET. Why? MAPS, MAPS, MAPS.
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 08:14 PM
    Oh, oh I see. Running away, eh?! You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll impale you!!
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 07:23 PM
    Yep. That's it. Regular copy and paste causes the issues. FYI- Using chrome on windows when this happens.
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 07:21 PM
    Yeah. I got nothing at this point. I will say that when I do a regular cut and paste from certain comments, the text I paste has a weird semi-border around it which is barely visible. Like this- Strangely, I just use the website. Nothing fancy. Strangely, I just use the website. Nothing fancy.
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 06:55 PM
    Hockey was my sun, hockey was my earth But the Leafs didn't know all the ways I loved them, no So the Raptors took a chance, made other plans And I bet the Warriors didn't think that Durant would come up injured, no Drake don't need to sing, he don't need to tweet I already know, I watched Fred VanFleet Now there's just no chance With me and the Leafs There'll never be Don't it make the...
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 06:23 PM
    Some cause happiness wherever the go; Paladins, whenever they go.
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 05:21 PM
    I mean, yeah, but he could have done so much better. "Hey guys, did you hear the news? They are gearing up for a complete revamp- they are leaning hard into a new, improved AEDU system and a rebranding .... Are you ready for W&W? You know, Warlocks and Warlords?" Some people ... just want to watch the world burn.
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 04:50 PM
    That's because it's not. When most people discuss "DoD,"* they are talking about the classic I3, I4, I5. Pharoah (later I3) was first created by Hickman in the 70s, and then expanded to the I3-I5. It is setting-agnostic, although, if it had to have a setting, it would be Greyhawk, because all modules from that era were either explicitly Greyhawk (like Saltmarsh, Tsojcanth) or had to be...
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 04:34 PM
    Woah! I just switched from Reborn to Legacy (White to Black) ... so, the problem wasn't when I cut and pasted with plain text ... it was when I just NATURALLY CUT AND PASTED. I was not expecting that, at all. I don't even understand that???? That is exact opposite of what should have happened.
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 04:31 PM
    Strangely, I just use the website. Nothing fancy. But I am guessing that what is happening is that I pasting as "plain text" (to remove formatting problems that are popping up) and that is somehow forcing it into black, as opposed to "automatic text coloring." And it only happens in those quotes because I only copy and paste into those ersatz quotes I do (to quote other stuff). ....let's...
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 03:34 PM
    You've won a basketball championship, AND you have a shooting? Welcome to the US, Toronto!
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 03:32 PM
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 03:22 PM
    Good question! And the answer is .... because then it wouldn't be aptitude bias as you are calling it. :) I don't mean that to be snarky; but to give you the appropriate analogy (with a bit of a joke that is so appropriate here), think of the framing bias (framing effect). The framing bias exists when people are presented options, and those options are given with positive or negative...
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    Friday, 14th June, 2019, 04:24 AM
    So, let me first answer that with a video- Did you watch? Good! "I can't frame that. There's loads and loads of things you just did that might as well be magic!" You see where I'm going with this, yes? So when you ascribe positions on the hierarchy, it's necessarily from the position you have now; as you would put it, your aptitude bias. It is somewhat difficult to fully grok the...
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 10:06 PM
    Other ideas- B4 is one of my favorites, although primarily UNDERNEATH the desert. Most Dark Sun adventures can, obviously, be used as Desert Adventures.
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 10:03 PM
    If not Desert of Desolation, then I would second X4/X5 (not so much X10). Absolutely love running those. (Originally for the X in B/X, easy to convert to 5e)
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 09:40 PM
    Guess the cross-over between Basketball fans and enworld commenters is, um, two. The op and me. And the number of NBA fans/enworld commenters/Neil Young enthusiasts ....
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 09:37 PM
    Okay, but WHY are my quotes doing that? :) And why can't I see it in my editing window?
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 09:07 PM
    Okay. But what about the whole AC/DC thing going on (Back in Black?).
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 08:45 PM
    NO! I demand that you do not narrate them. I want my framing to be minimalist, as if Dieter "Leibe meine Abschminke*" Rams possessed you! DM: "A room." Player: "um..... okay ... what kind of room?" D: "A white room."
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 08:26 PM
    Hmmm... I swear he was thinking about The Wrong Side, or The Birds Box, or Speed by Speedwest, or perhaps it was Speed 2: A Stranger Named Jason Patric on a Train? But I'm not sure you can trust him. "Gentlemen, like Hitchock, prefer brunettes." Charles Coburn, indubitably.
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 08:14 PM
    That's because it's tagged with Homebrew. The only homebrew I partake in better get me wicked messed up. I don't want my homebrew to make me read about exploding toads ... I want my homebrew to make me SEE exploding toads. *hic*
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 07:45 PM
    Not to add to the mystery, but- 1. I use a white background. So I wouldn't see a problem. It appears that Manbearcat (and you, maybe?) use black ones. 2. However ..... what happened when you quoted my post? Shouldn't your quote of my entire post have caused the text to pop back out, at least on my screen? When I saw you quoting me, the quote was gone. Do you know what I'm saying?
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 07:41 PM
    Weird. Well, when I go to edit it, it doesn't show as being formatted to a particular color?????
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 07:24 PM
    Is it invisible to you, as in "If I select the text, or change my color scheme, it appears!" ... or is it invisible, as in ... not there?
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 07:15 PM
    By the way, the reason I am asking about this is that one of two things is happening: 1. My quotes have never come out correctly, and everyone has been too polite or disinterested to point out until the last two days, when suddenly everyone is noticing it; or 2. Something has changed that I'm not aware of.
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 07:12 PM
    Arghhh! Okay, but the quotes in the other thread didn't look right? What about the thread that I link to in this OP- https://www.enworld.org/forum/showth...=1#post7618903
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 06:54 PM
    No. Everything looks absolutely normal to me.
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 06:48 PM
    I was thinking about your comment, re: the media, and dragoner's comment, directly above it. I'm not looking at specific things, more of a gestalt.
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 06:47 PM
    "Every movie is better with Sandra Bullock." Alfred Hitchcock, probably. I resemble that comment ... wait a minute, how dare you accurately use my own words against me! I demand I retract my comments!
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 04:57 PM
    Well .... Okay, so I've been looking at what everyone has been saying (and a LOT of good stuff in here), including dragoner and his very thoughtful, albeit gut-punchy comment above yours (I don't know how else to refer to it ...) ... and I'm thinking something along the lines of the following: It is interesting, to me, that the following two statements are GENERALLY true, if not true in all...
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 04:33 PM
    Snarf! ... and .... oh boy .... I can't stop myself ... you've been warned about this blast from the past! Valley Elf, Heís a Valley Elf, Valley Elf, Heís a Valley Elf ...
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 04:16 PM
    What I liked most about the early stuff (I am thinking OD&D, B/X, and especially AD&D) was that anything was possible. Yes, it was serious. But it also had lots of humor (as you point out) and that was important to me. Just kinda sorta. And the breaking of the fourth wall to the reader. ...not to mention the real sense of wonder by combining all the genres (sure, maybe you have a space...
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 04:09 PM
    While I wish you had framed it differently, using different words (see what I did there), I will try to just state my position: First, this isn't about RPGs in general; this is about TTRPGs.* Second, this isn't about all TTRPGs, I am referring to "mainstream" TTRPGS (for lack of a better phrase) that have a GM and multiple players, and the game exists in the interaction between the players...
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 03:43 PM
    I would say that I would never pass up a biscuit, but, you know, carbs. Virtual carbs are the worst, man. They make your commenting all flabby-like. But yes, these threads are like cheese! I know cheese. I know eating cheese isn't that good for me; not good like leafy greens. And yet .... mmm.... cheese tastes good! I'm always like, "Man, I shouldn't have cheese. I really shouldn't." And...
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 02:48 PM
    Ten Warriors but Kawhi's shootin' The NBA Championship is ours to own This summer for the Raptors I am rootin' Bring the Championship to Toronto Gotta get down to it Kawhi is gunning the Warriors down Should have been done long ago ....
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 02:41 PM
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    Thursday, 13th June, 2019, 02:26 PM
    Hi Everybody! (HI DR. NICK!) Now tell Dr. Nick where is the trouble. ...so, @Dannyalcatraz first pointed out a problem in my posts, specifically, this one-
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 10:09 PM
    So why did you assume this was the reason behind the discomfort? If it wasn't?
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 10:05 PM
    Nope.
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 09:54 PM
    I hear what you're saying, but I'd go back to what I was discussing with manbearcat, in that you can't really disambiguate them like that. Which is is what I've been trying to say for a while; even doing the whole substance/style dichotomy is inherently pejorative. "Yes, I just want the sizzle- hold the steak please." What you refer to as the style, I would say is inherently part of the...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 09:13 PM
    All substance, no style, and you are just playing a boardgame ... or a wargame. All style, no substance, and you are just doing community theater. That's why it's neither ... or both. It tastes great, and is less filling. (Its a STYLISTIC .... SUBSTANCE, or, put another way, it's a ROLE PLAYING .... GAME ;) ).
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 09:11 PM
    Interesting- you might want to look at some of the excellent web resources they have regarding the use of RPGs for autistic children (I have mentioned this before). There are some excellent write-ups (and bona fide scholarly resources) regarding the beneficial effects. That said, a lot of the impetus in my community for me to teach D&D, weirdly, came from other parents who found out I was a...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 08:16 PM
    "When you say inching, do you mean moving with the old AD&D system of movement? Is this the coelacanth of squamous entities, thought extinct since the halcyon days of 12", brought back to terrorize us? Do we seek to preserve this nearly-extinct specimen of the dark ages?" *thinking* "Alright alright alright, roll initiative and attack! Baby needs a new pair of shoes!"
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 08:08 PM
    O. M. G. So I was going to come on to this thread and post about this senior moment I was having ... there was this game I bought, and it looked so cool, so very very cool, and I loved the fluff, but the rules ... Oh the rules. It was insanely complex, and the characters were also short-lived, with really slow advancement...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 07:53 PM
    Weirdly, I was primarily thinking about my experience teaching D&D (5e) to kids in this thread as well. The goal is always to have them go off and form their own groups. .... and you see the kids begin to have greater confidence in their abilities, in their vocabulary, in their social skills, and in their storytelling, thanks to D&D. They are learning to balance competing interests (when not...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 07:28 PM
    Someone else just told me that my quote is blacked out on a different thread.... I don't see your fix??????
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 07:03 PM
    And Paladin for the "Die in a fire" concept?
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 06:58 PM
    Yes, it is very tiring to repeat myself. Especially when people talk down to you despite the fact that you have been addressing these points, repeatedly. ...and you clearly knew that with the reference to the "every few hundred posts." So ... yeah, nice trolling- not cool. As an initial issue, I have never tried to pin down an immutable and universal definition; instead, I have...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 06:12 PM
    To be clear- I did not mean to imply you are not roleplaying! And it's not just about roleplaying restrictions as rules.* It's more ... hmmm... when I think of integration of rules and fluff, I specifically think of the following: A. Fluff informs RAI/houserules. Let's use the Warlock/Cleric example on this one. In my setting, absent some amazing special factors that I can't think of right...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 06:01 PM
    That's a great point! I mean, it's not like I've ever discussed the history of the thread, ever painstakingly quoted the specific OP and the followup, as well as the predecessor threads, in order to determine exactly what the OP was trying to get at ... Yeah, you're right. I mean ... I never understood the context of this discussion, nor have I ever bothered noting how frustrating it is...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 05:27 PM
    My last post- Do you ever feel like you keep saying, over days and weeks, that people are talking past each other, because of definitions, and you keep saying that, and every now and then, someone will say, "Hey, you know what Lowkey, you know what the real problem is, definitions! I mean ... context matters, buddy." ....and you just kind of want to smash your head repeatedly into...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 05:23 PM
    Bingo. That's what I meant when I wrote the following- A lot of players have the TwoSix philosophy (that D&D is just a bunch of mechanics that you mix and match to make your own concepts). Which is a fine way to play- but I prefer to have a tight integration of fluff and crunch; the RPing and the mechanics should feed on each other, not be divorced from one another. But my view,...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 05:12 PM
    See, I disagree. And that's fine! Personally, I think that 5e, by moving in the direction of a toolbox, is going in the wrong way. And allowing Clerics and Warlocks to multi-class together? That will just result in fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 04:57 PM
    ...dude. You are literally using hierarchy in its adverb form.This single sentence starts with "Hence" (that is one of TWO hences), contains multiple ellipses, a parenthetical, and multiple subclauses. I am just going to quote this small passage of nine words within the sentence- "correlate them profoundly to certain facets of exposition skill" The overall passage has a Flesch Reading Ease...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 04:41 PM
    At this point, it is necessary to say that John Wick (as a franchise) is not just enjoyable, but the HOLY TRILOGY is the greatest set of movies, ever. The only thing that could make John Wick 4 even better is the necessary addition of Nic Cage. .... a John Wick rpg? ....mmmm.....
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 04:30 PM
    ... is that really the point you felt necessary to make? That, and not the "possibly mentally ill hermit I need to murder for his stuff" I know the argument you are trying to make, and the people that ascribe to it- please go make it somewhere else.
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 03:48 PM
    ....not sure I appreciate this comment .... :P
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 03:31 PM
    I'm an American. Of course I will complain. What? You think that some sort of shame ... or concern about hypocrisy ... will keep me from complaining? HECK NO! My right to complain is guaranteed, by, like, the Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence, or one of the Commandments, or the collected works of John Wayne.
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 03:28 PM
    Argh. This doesn't understand the P.O.V. that others have, which is why this whole thing has been bollixed from the beginning. Look, let's use the examples of, say, you, Pemerton, Manbearcat, and Bedrockgames. Just because you've all posted recently and you're all advocates of the "But it's just conversation and framing" mode (more or less, I am simplifying). Look at the comments you...
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 03:14 PM
    I would totally play a game with interpretive dance for narration. I mean, I'd play it poorly, but still! (I'm thinking about how to say, using dance, "I rolled a 13. Did I hit?" I think I have to practice!)
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 03:12 PM
    Yeah, as I wrote originally, this nagging idea re: violence first started when I was reading through B2 and preparing it for kids.
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 03:11 PM
    Okay. But that's not necessarily the case, is it? Just because something is depicted in fiction, doesn't mean that it is perfectly acceptable. And we have various tolerances for fictional depictions. If we look back to the late 60s and 70s, we can see that (for example) in movies, things are in flux in America with the lifting of the Code. Profanity, Nudity, and Violence were all ......
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 02:56 PM
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    Wednesday, 12th June, 2019, 01:05 AM
    Well- it was exactly what I thought. The ďyesĒ to a no (literally with the bad writer example!). You just have have a very different definition of things than I do.
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 11:14 PM
    No. Iím not kidding. As everyone who pays attention knows, I donít play 3e or 4e, and I donít make claims about those editions. So... again, assuming youíre trying to pick some sort of fight? Good luck with that! ps- you canít compare apples to oranges, by the way. I donít know about 4e, but a 12th level AD&D fighter was three levels above name level. And I have no idea why youíre talking...
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 10:45 PM
    So, this is a thread / thought / discussion starter. I am going to start by saying that I am not looking to open this up to general comments about adult themes, etc. in RPGs. So, please don't, okay? Instead, it's about a very specific issue- violence. Necessary Disclaimer- I know not everyone plays the same way. I know not everyone thinks RPGs are violent, or enjoy violent RPGs. ...
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 10:10 PM
    Some lines you just never expect to see. As pretty as an airport. My favorite line from a Taylor Swift song. As sad as seeing a room full of dead gnomes. As enjoyable as a D&D game with Paladins.
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 09:13 PM
    Hehehehehehehe. So, the second one is quick and easy. IMO, of course someone can be great at, say, writing (beautiful prose) but unable to provide a good spoken narration. It's closer when it comes to someone who is really good at oratory; it is IME unusual and unlikely, but POSSIBLE for someone to be able to be very good at certain forms of oratory, yet not good at framing/resolution. The...
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 09:03 PM
    I know that normally this blog is a place full of joy and happiness and maybe even the occasional Mini-taur joke. But some people, such as me, suffer from Sarcasm Immodulation Disorder. Iím unable to control the amount of sarcasm, irony or sardonic asides in my writing. Also known as Felicity Smoak's Syndrome, SID is a recognized psycho-medical condition which you may have read about in the...
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 08:44 PM
    On the plus side, at least the stance finally came to light, instead of dancing around various concerns. Sunlight, disinfectant, etc.
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 08:37 PM
    A simple question? I PREDICT TWO QUESTIONS! Muahaahahahahahahah! No. Yes.
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 08:20 PM
    Right, but again, what you wrote above necessarily is engaging. There is no easy way to put this, but there seems to some sort of dichotomy that some people have in mind, wherein they are trying to draw a circle around certain playing styles ("Oh, that language is high-falutin'," or, "Oh, you're using a funny voice") which is both demeaning to many people, and also unnecessarily creates a...
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 08:01 PM
    Um ... are you kidding? I can't tell if you're serious, or looking to have an argument for no good reason? So, assuming you don't know, or didn't play much of the older edition (honestly don't know), then it was fairly uncommon for players to be hit by ... you know ... weapons ... in AD&D. I mean, it happened, but you usually were in battle with ... um ... monsters? Right? So, a Red...
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 07:50 PM
    I am so going to regret this. *sigh* At a certain point, isn't this just an issue of what we are going to say constitutes "framing" and what constitutes "narration/performance?" I mean, it's pretty difficult to do any framing without narration (in most TTRPGs under discussion- LARPing and certain non-standard RPGs would be different). If you want to say that your framing is evoking...
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 07:37 PM
    Well, first, this is exactly how humans operate. I mean ... we're humans. We are operating. Therefore, by definition ... Second ... what? "I mean, I realize that I'm in a Western, and that guy is wearing a white hat, and the other guy is wearing a black hat, but really I just want to make sure I stake out the position that wearing hats is bad. I get that whole, 'Black hats are all rapey and...
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 07:29 PM
    Fighter, Level 12, AD&D. 3 attacks every two rounds with a melee weapon. Average of 58hp (assuming no constitution bonus- also, don't forget, no ASIs, no retroactive con bonuses). Assume a Con of 16 (which was GOOD!), then you'd get a whopping 18 additional hit points*, for a total of 76hp. I mean, sure, you can play around with the margins, but it gives you a good idea as to what a...
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 06:51 PM
    I'm so excited! And i just can't hide it! I'm about to lose control and I think I .... darn it. That's not right, either!
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 06:30 PM
    Mmmm. I like this. Not only the banality of the play, but the bonus of crushed expectations, with an added soupcon of wasted time spent in meaningless character creation! I think we are getting somewhere! Or nowhere. Definitely ... where.
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 06:28 PM
    A man, a plan, a canal, Palindrome. .... darn it. Missing something. What should I do? Borrow, or rob?
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    Tuesday, 11th June, 2019, 06:12 PM
    Arguably, that's because there is a very toxic subset within our community that pops up and feels the need to defend this type of thing. Sometimes it is overt defense: "Can't those women take a JOKE. Jeez." Sometimes it is "the sky is falling" defense: "Won't someone please think of the menfolk? The poor, oppressed, menfolk?"
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Friday, 14th June, 2019

  • 12:56 AM - pemerton mentioned lowkey13 in post Formatting- Quotes Not Coming Out Correctly
    I use the traditional colour scheme (white post text, orange button text, on black background). In the post I mentioned in the "literary endeavour" thread there are two quote blocks. The first I can read. The second is, for me, an empty quote block. When I highlight it the text appears. I assume that the text has COLOR tags around it that are making it black. In the past when posters have had this issue I believe it's been because they're preparing posts in Word or some similar formatting-rich environment, and then when they copy-and-paste into the message board editor the formatting tags are carried along with the text. lowkey13, I can't recall if this is a recurrent feature of your posts or not. In the case of the particular post I commented on it was the particluar context of the phrase "My last post", which I realised I'd probably misinterpreted, that made the invisible quote salient to me. Maybe you've had invisible quotes in the past too but I haven't commented on them because it hasn't seemed to matter in that context. So anyway, after writing the above I went back through the thread and found post 409 on May 21st (my time). It has 3 quoteblocks. One is fully visible to me. One is fully invisible to me (unless I hightlight text). One is invisible except for the last six words. So I don't think this has anything to do with https. I would guess it's to do with the environment where you are writing/editing your posts.

Thursday, 13th June, 2019

  • 11:15 AM - pemerton mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    So why are you replying to my four-word (and a link) post, rather than replying directly to the 400-word post? Perhaps because I said the same thing, but more elegantly, and you hope to elicit further elegant responses, by engaging with me rather than with the anti-paladin?Having just re-read lowkey13's post, I think I may have misread - by "my last post" perhaps he mean "my previous post" (the next bit of the post itself is not legible for me because of some text formatting issue, but maybe it's a quote of a previous post?). I feel that reinforces my view that meta-comments (ie on the quality and formal properties of poster's posts, as opposed to what they're actually saying) is generally unproductive. by engaging with me rather than with the anti-paladinWhen I play a FRPG I nearly always play a paladin (or similar archetype). Presumably that's more evidence of something-or-other.
  • 10:07 AM - pemerton mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    No narration! Only framing!The post you quoted is nearly 400 words, has two footnotes and an edit, and references Hemingway and Henry Miller. I'm not sure there's much profit in critiquing posting styles or trying to diagnose irony. lowkey13 has (by my count) 7 posts since posting "My last post". Is that irony? An atypical use of the word last? (Maybe we should debate the meaning of the word last, or even post - my count of posts doesn't XP/laugh clicks - for several hundred posts.) Or is it just a change of mind and someone saying stuff that they feel like saying?

Wednesday, 12th June, 2019

  • 10:59 PM - darkbard mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    lowkey13, to a much greater extent than you might imagine, I largely agree with much of your recent postings here, but because of your sarcastic and antagonistic style, I have lost any desire to engage your substance right now.
  • 07:24 PM - Satyrn mentioned lowkey13 in post Why are we okay with violence in RPGs?
    If we were all Americans, here, I could just say "because we're a violent society." Instead, for my flip, sarcastic, cynical answere I'm going to have to go all ST:tNG, and say " because we are an egregiously violent species." (And, you don't get to complain about flip, joking answered to serious questions.) Excellent! Since lowkey13 doesn't get to complain, that lets me go to the front of the line with my complaint. My Complaint: you're stealing my schtick! Please Schtop.

Tuesday, 11th June, 2019

  • 08:18 PM - Gradine mentioned lowkey13 in post Players 'distressed' by gang-rape role-playing game
    ...sion knew him for at least a decade. Made him a face of the con by making him a Room Captain (this point being exactly why some people might not have felt safe going to the con organizer). Predators rely on "good ol' boy" networks to keep their dirty laundry private so they can keep being predators. That's the accountability piece. As for safety, well, I am sure there are cons where Kevin Rolfe will be more than welcome to run his games still. Are the people who would be most traumatized by his "shocking" content going to give pause to joining his games when they see his name on the listing, now? Public awareness makes people safe by giving them the information they need to avoid being traumatized by bad actors, while at the same time raising public accountability for those who might have otherwise given his behavior a pass. "or when we recklessly pursue a moral program of some kind in the wake of such an event" To be clear, the "moral program" in question is "rape = not acceptable". lowkey13 has covered this in better detail, but you are bringing moral relativism to an argument that is mostly centered around sexualized violence. Call both sides equally bad in their extremism is a false equivalence of the dangerous. "People who spring rape scenarios on players and then lie about in an interview with the guy who wrote 'In Defense of Rape' should not be allowed to be in our hobby" is not the moral or extreme equivalent to "LOL great job owning the libs!" and the latter are explicitly counting on well meaning people making that mistake. "I think there is a lot of cruelty being expressed in this thread and people don't see it, because they think they are so correct. Personally I am not a big fan of cruelty." Dannyalcatraz covered this in a point I see you have not responded to yet, in that: Foreseeable repercussions for actions =/= cruelty. I don't really have anything else to add to that.
  • 08:07 PM - Manbearcat mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    lowkey13 I think youíre more or less saying what I said in my initial post in this thread: Framing and understanding of dramatic device (arc composition and pacing, tropes) are fundamentally tethered. Insofar as they are (and they are), if one wants to fold ďunderstanding and deftness in deployment of dramatic deviceĒ into ďliteraryĒ, then weíre going to have a (self-imposed imo) communication impasse. My take on the lead post is the distinction being drawn is with respect to specific skill in word usage (exposition and elocution or oratory skills broadly...or scripting and then speaking). Again, that is on the hierarchy, but, IMO, much lower down than conflict/situation framing is (which, again, includes what I wrote above).

Monday, 10th June, 2019

  • 06:12 PM - hawkeyefan mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    lowkey13 My answer on the first page was in response to the thread title and little else. Upon spending more time to read and absorb the OP and some follow up posts, I clarified my stance. I believe that post is on page 2, perhaps 3. I think a lot of the confusion is really to be attributed to people not looking beyond the title. And I understand why....I did it myself...but itís just a headline in that sense. I agree that clarity has been needed at times, but trying to pin the problems of this thread on one thing seems limited. I think we can all do better. We can grant benefit of the doubt instead of assuming the worst, we can address each other individually rather than trying to lump everyone into one camp or the other, we can clarify or offer a different phrase when needed. Iíve enjoyed a good deal of the discussion at times, and found what others are saying to be interesting and worthwhile....but thereís also been a good deal of nonsense thatís taken up space.

Thursday, 30th May, 2019

  • 09:23 PM - CleverNickName mentioned lowkey13 in post Survivor Magic Jewelry (PART II)- SCARAB OF PROTECTION WINS!
    OK fair enough. So...why don't you like Ioun Stones then? Some give you powers like "You don't need to eat or drink while this clear spindle orbits your head." and "You are fluent in one additional language while this pulsating bit of red jeweled crystal orbits your head. The DM chooses the language bestowed by the stone."The two examples you give are my favorite Ioun Stones. If we were voting for them individually, the Stone of Sustenance would be my hands-down favorite. ( lowkey13 : That would be a pretty fun Survivor contest, now that I think about it: Survivor Specifics: Ioun Stones, Feather Tokens, and Figurines of Wondrous Power!) My beef with the Ioun Stones in this survey is that of the 13 Stones listed in the DMG, 10 of them are just statboosters. Since the bad considerably outnumber the good IMO, the category gets my downvote.

Wednesday, 29th May, 2019

  • 03:47 AM - Maxperson mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    Words I learned today: "diegetic". That's quite a useful word for discussion of the IC/OOC distinction. There's a scene in "High Anxiety" in which ominous music plays, and the main characters (all in a car, on a coastal highway) tense up and look around. A bus comes the other way; the bus passengers are all musicians, an orchestra, playing the ominous music. Hmm. I would have used diuretic. lowkey13 clearly has better wordcraft than I do. :(

Tuesday, 28th May, 2019

  • 03:40 PM - darkbard mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    Bold emphasis mine. I agree with you, but here is the rub, pemerton does not as per his OP. He does not even make that concession that someone could engage in a literary endeavour for their RPGing. This is the issue lowkey13 has been highlighting for a while. You are correct that lowkey13 keeps asserting this. But you are both wrong in your characterization of pemerton's position. Many times now he has articulated that all things being equal, literary presentation can improve the quality of a game, but that caveat requires that the core activity of TRPGing be not in the presentation itself but in the invitation to meaningful engagement of the situation on the part of the PCs, that at its heart the issue is not performance but framing situations that invite protagonism. I'm sure pemerton will correct me if I have inadvertendly mischaracterized his position.
  • 03:13 PM - Sadras mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    And I think this is fine. If you find the game to be a literary endeavor in this way, and if you are a GM in the style of Matt Mercer, then that is what you should do. I am not saying it can't be these things. All I am saying is it does not have to be these things. Matt Mercer's style of GMing isn't the only way, or the best way: it is just one way to it. Bold emphasis mine. I agree with you, but here is the rub, pemerton does not as per his OP. He does not even make that concession that someone could engage in a literary endeavour for their RPGing. This is the issue lowkey13 has been highlighting for a while.

Wednesday, 22nd May, 2019

  • 01:39 PM - jasper mentioned lowkey13 in post Mike Mearls interview re: Ghosts of Saltmarsh
    I agree with lowkey13 about spreading the books. I use a 33 inch 8 pocket luggage to haul my stuff. Another "core" book and I going have just start carry the basics of what I running that night. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01K0863Q6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Friday, 17th May, 2019

  • 07:20 PM - Draegn mentioned lowkey13 in post What is missing in 5E that you had in other editions?
    lowkey13 Do the tables you miss include the roll a d12 for a date chart? Is this what dual rapier wielding gnome paladins have to do?
  • 06:54 PM - DMMike mentioned lowkey13 in post GMs are an endangered species!
    I don't think there was ever any risk to DMs, but yes, (5E is) a return to DM-centric mechanics, that put more of the pretend 'power' on the DM side of the DM/Player dynamic. It's harder to DM than 4e was (though still arguably easier than 3.x), and requires a different style of DMing. The Player v DM would, a most be 'emulated' - that is, the DM would have to set some bounds for himself to 'let the players win.' PvP would be fine, but would really /need/ a DM supervising it. I'd actually like to see 6E pick up where 4E left off, where some other games currently are, and make the GM role more mechanical - putting more narration in the hands of the players. I would expect it to go well with today's Burger King have-it-your-way players. And with a nod to "game modes," it could either leash or unleash the more creative (gonzo) players. Paizo would probably like that too. (Does Pathfinder have "GMs" or "DMs?") Regarding an earlier comment from lowkey13 - that there are no good DMs (snark noted) - what are today's games doing to make GMing easier, and thus, allowing the GM population to flourish? Not in terms of enabling PCs to co-GM, but having a clear GM role that isn't intimidating.

Thursday, 16th May, 2019

  • 12:54 PM - Maxperson mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    I come from the land of busting chops. This isnít busting chops. This is the territory of being insulting. And most people donít take bring insulted sitting down. Except not. I know for a fact that all I'm doing is having some fun, and not even all of it has to do with you at all, and what does is just ribbing. No insults at all. If you are feeling insulted, then you are seeing insult where there isn't any. Satyrn is one of the nicest people here, so I'm certain that she is also just having some fun with a bit of ribbing. lowkey13 I'm not as certain about, but he has a similar humor to mine, so I think he is probably doing the same as Satyrn and I.

Wednesday, 15th May, 2019

  • 01:08 AM - pemerton mentioned lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    pemerton has pretty strongly argued that presentation is not very important and that content is all that really matters. That the scenario regardless of how that scenario is communicated to the players is the most important thing at the table. I have used the words "literary" and "performance" in what I hope are reasonably clear senses. Theatre (typically) involves both. Salon repartee with Oscar Wilde or Dorothy Parker involves both. Conversation with friends typically invovles neither. I've also said - repeatedly, although lowkey13 may not have read those posts - that everything else being equal a mellifluous GM can be a good thing. But obviously much of the time everything is not equal. For example, pre-scripting which is often a precondition of literary quality in word-choice and a precondition for rehearsal of presentation, is at odds with the back-and-forth, the invitation-and-response, that I think is at the heart of RPGing. To frame invitation-and-response as scenario is harmless enough provided not too much weight is put on the latter. But obviously if, by scenario, one is talking about something pre-scripted and rehearsed, then that's not what I'm talking about. If a scenario doesn't speak to the players and engage their interest, and generate an emotional response in them, then my advice to the GM would always be work on your stuff. I would not be suggesting choose a different soundtrack. Iíd argue that presentation is equally important and you prove my point. A dm who presents information one ...

Monday, 13th May, 2019

  • 02:12 AM - Maxperson mentioned lowkey13 in post Survivor Magic Jewelry (PART I)- AMULET OF THE PLANES WINS!
    I don't know what the heck is going on. I open the page, click "Last" (and I make sure that the post I am looking at is, indeed, the last in the thread and not simply the last one I've read), copy it to clipboard, paste it into a new message, and then make my vote. Then I come back the next day and there are a handful of posts between the one I copied and the one I voted from. A squad of rapier-wielding Gnome Paladins made lowkey13 do it.

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Sunday, 28th April, 2019

  • 03:26 AM - AbdulAlhazred mentioned lowkey13 in post A GMing telling the players about the gameworld is not like real life
    ...ing reality in an imagined space, and if they can recognize reality when they "see" it, they can recognize shifts in it. It can't really be quantified for the reasons I've given, but they can tell if something is becoming more or less realistic. But, if you read the posts earlier discussing the way BitD introduces an element into the game via its architecture and mechanics which could be seen as more realistic, but where that realism is in terms of 'authenticity of the narrated outcome' vs 'authenticity of the process' (which Lanefan argued for) then you must know that at least these two deeply differing sorts of realism exist, and yet not everyone seems to recognize them, or consider them to be effective at increasing authenticity. It is really just not as simple as 'subsystem X which arbitrates injection of element Y into the game, where element Y exists in the real world is the definition of realism and everyone recognizes that'. Where that true, then your criticisms, or those of lowkey13 etc. would all be super accurate, but they're not because there really truly is no one single agreement about this. Ovinomancer cares about reality of outcomes, but Lanefan cares about process (and I assume he would say that outcomes take care of themselves to some degree).


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Monday, 17th June, 2019

  • 03:07 AM - Travis Henry quoted lowkey13 in post Narrative/Novel D&D...ND&D. Imagine if the game played just like the D&D novels?
    I guess what I'm getting at is that you're probably better off just designing a good diceless game or adapting a low-rules, high narrative fantasy game for your needs, than you are reverse-engineering. You have a good point, yet, for me, there's something impelling about D&D Fiction itself. I'm especially interested in the D&D Multiverse and its stories. It seems to me that, say, the Icewind Dale Trilogy or the Dragonlance Chronicles could be converted into a ruleset that plays as quickly as the time it takes to read the novels. And I'm stoked by how Salvatore describes scenes. I want a game that bakes that quick descriptiveness into the game itself. There's a bunch of D&D picturesque color and lore in the D&D Fiction which hasn't really made back into the TRPG in a systemic way. For example, the verbal spell components as depicted in D&D Fiction: e.g. "Shirak!" and "Dulak!" (Light and Darkness spell). In ND&D, the player would actually voice (narrate) the verbal spell components!

Sunday, 16th June, 2019

  • 11:05 PM - Bedrockgames quoted lowkey13 in post Why are we okay with violence in RPGs?
    ????? Um ... maybe it's because I use a lot of words and stuff, or maybe it's because you don't read the footnotes and/or have not seen the greatest movie of all time, but I don't think I could have been more clear. Sometimes, I just like to see what people are thinking. In fact, that's almost all the times I start a thread. I'm more curious as to what other people think, because I know what I think. I read it all and have seen the John Wick movies, but I just was confused by the wording of your post I think.
  • 09:29 PM - Bedrockgames quoted lowkey13 in post Why are we okay with violence in RPGs?
    Well, I wish I was that enlightened! As you can tell from my other threads* I enjoy violence as much as the next person. It was more, "Why?" And specifically, "Why so much in the RPGs?" The predicate was, as I mentioned, re-visiting B2, which not only allowed a particular strain of hobomurder that was common in the late 70s and early 80s ... it encouraged it. Even to a "realistic" extent that you wouldn't see in other modules. (...and this is the part where you have to exterminate the grieving kobold women and children ... and this is the part where you can decide to kill the mentally ill hermit for his stuff ...). Which is to say, I was trying to understand why: A. I can be bothered by this; yet... B. Not be particularly bothered by the "generic" D&D setting (go to monster's home, see monster, kill monster, take monster's stuff, repeat until you get more powerful in order to kill more powerful monsters in their homes). And I was also reflecting on the broader cultural tendencies, especi...
  • 09:26 PM - gyor quoted lowkey13 in post Best D&D adventures/modules in a desert?
    That's because it's not. When most people discuss "DoD,"* they are talking about the classic I3, I4, I5. Pharoah (later I3) was first created by Hickman in the 70s, and then expanded to the I3-I5. It is setting-agnostic, although, if it had to have a setting, it would be Greyhawk, because all modules from that era were either explicitly Greyhawk (like Saltmarsh, Tsojcanth) or had to be considered a part of the setting. After the ouster of Gygax, TSR first published FR in 1987- AFTER the publication of the individual I3-I5 modules (five years after). At the same time, they put out a compendium book (I3-I5 combined into a single volume called "Desert of Desolation") that did the following: A. Slightly expanded the material, and made it worse. B. Shoehorned the setting into the FR. This was the first, and earliest, example of how everything good and fun and happy eventually gets pushed into the FR and becomes sucky. ;) ...IMO. Anyway, don't use the 1987 material! Use ...

Saturday, 15th June, 2019

  • 07:18 PM - DMMike quoted lowkey13 in post Free RPG Day, Modos RPG, and You
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/9/97/Blackknight.png Oh, oh I see. Running away, eh?! You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll impale you!! That lost SO much of its kick when the image didn't load for me. Now it rocks! Here's hoping everyone is loading up on free RPG goodies today!
  • 02:48 AM - pemerton quoted lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    What do they have in common? All of them? Um .... strange use of scare quotes/asterisks!I don't understand what you're trying to achieve. If you're not interested in the topic as it's been framed or discussed, or think the thread is unhelpful, you're very welcome not to post in it. If you think my threads involve code-of-conduct violation, you have the option of reporting them. Are you trying to pick a fight and have this thread shut down? Are you trying to clutter the thread with enough off-topic nonsense to prove your point that the thread shouldn't exist? If you want to take part in a thread about the use of literary/narrative devices in RPGing, then why not start one?

Friday, 14th June, 2019

  • 10:23 PM - Len quoted lowkey13 in post Formatting- Quotes Not Coming Out Correctly
    I will say that when I do a regular cut and paste from certain comments, the text I paste has a weird semi-border around it which is barely visible. When you paste it in, does the text include a "COLOR=" tag?
  • 10:03 PM - Parmandur quoted lowkey13 in post New survey from WotC about boxed sets
    Interesting! Thank you for the link. FWIW, I would like a boxed set (as in new stuff, not just a re-skinned beginners' box, or collecting the previously-published books). Something like the ... wait for it ... GREYHAWK BOXED SET. Why? MAPS, MAPS, MAPS. Guides, maps, that would be cool. Especially maps. Big maps. BIG COLOR MAPS. Dude, for real. It strikes me that a colorful, flashy campaign in a box might be perfect for the "shopping for my Middle Schooler at Target" crowd that they have signaled is so important...
  • 02:07 PM - Manbearcat quoted lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    "I can't frame that. There's loads and loads of things you just did that might as well be magic!" You see where I'm going with this, yes? So when you ascribe positions on the hierarchy, it's necessarily from the position you have now; as you would put it, your aptitude bias. It is somewhat difficult to fully grok the ways in which you have internalized the techniques you use, and how they impact your game... things that you now think of as merely incidental to framing, but which are both necessary and a predicate. Since we both watch sports, I will use an analogy- a lot of people enjoy criticizing sports commentators (pick your sport, say, football). But have you ever tried to do it yourself? IT IS INSANELY HARD. Or, just watch an amateur calling a high school game on local access. With reps, and time, people eventually get good at it. They learn when to speak, when not to speak, when to let the images create the drama, and when to fill in space (blowouts, say). After a while it becomes seco...
  • 07:57 AM - ccs quoted lowkey13 in post What do you love about your favorite edition that ISNíT rules related?
    Snarf! ... and .... oh boy .... I can't stop myself ... you've been warned about this blast from the past! Valley Elf, Heís a Valley Elf, Valley Elf, Heís a Valley Elf ... So cool, so fair, With chartreuse hair, So young, secure -- ďFer sure, fer sure, like, oh, man, I was really down today, like, sooo down, I almost flunked archery today, I was blitzed totally, it was wrong. Like, I wore my elven cloak into the dungeon, yíknow, and it got all grody with, wow, like spider webs and green slime all over it, like yucko, like when I saw it when we got out I thought, oh, gag me with a wand, it was grody to the max, just psionic, like, and I had to clean it, oh, Totally awesome. I hate to go in dungeons, they are so rank, and some of the monsters just like freak me out, man, like wow. I even saw a fer real monster, like real close up once, and it was really, like, totally disgusting, barf city man, it was so gross that I thought, like, Hey, keep away from me, man! Like no way Iím gonna ever eve...
  • 07:43 AM - Maxperson quoted lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    That's because it's tagged with Homebrew. The only homebrew I partake in better get me wicked messed up. I don't want my homebrew to make me read about exploding toads ... I want my homebrew to make me SEE exploding toads. *hic* I hear licking exploding toads can get you there, too.
  • 07:13 AM - Lanefan quoted lowkey13 in post What do you love about your favorite edition that ISNíT rules related?
    What I liked most about the early stuff (I am thinking OD&D, B/X, and especially AD&D) was that anything was possible. Yes, it was serious. But it also had lots of humor (as you point out) and that was important to me. Just kinda sorta. And the breaking of the fourth wall to the reader. ...not to mention the real sense of wonder by combining all the genres (sure, maybe you have a space ship in the middle of your elven forest, or an adventure in Wonderland, or the Finnish pantheon). It was just a gloriously mixed-up, messed-up grab bag. Screw canon and continuity; give me the mess.The word you're looking for is 'flexibility'. 0e-1e were flexible enough (yet, amazingly, robust enough in their own cobbled-together way) to handle almost anything you could throw at them. Couple that with a design ethos that didn't always take itself too seriously and the result is pure gold. Later editions started taking both themselves and the game far too seriously on the whole, despite occasion...

Thursday, 13th June, 2019

  • 10:26 PM - Manbearcat quoted lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    It's easy to overlook what you have. But if it's not apparent, this is why (inter alia) D&D is so useful for kids with autism; because they don't have these natural abilties, and because it can help teach .... narrative and emotion which goes into proper framing. But to re-state the obvious; yes, of course you don't see yourself engaged in anything but "mere conversation" or "mere framing" because you're already experienced, and your natural ability, honed through those years of experience, provides the results you seek. Citing the above, I want to make sure I've captured your position before I attempt to move the conversation forward. To do so, I'm going to also cite the below from me: Hence why I put them (skill in identifying how to frame, evolve, and resolve situations where PC dramatic need is tested or in conflict with something else) hierarchically at the top, connect them to understanding dramatic device, but donít correlate them profoundly to certain facets of exposition skill (I...
  • 09:37 PM - dragoner quoted lowkey13 in post Why are we okay with violence in RPGs?
    I was thinking about your comment, re: the media, and dragoner's comment, directly above it. I'm not looking at specific things, more of a gestalt. I didn't mean it as a gut punch, maybe that's the slavic emotional roller coaster. lol Not that I'm saying to stop playing the game, because I am not, only that some things strike closer to the bone for some people. Play away and have fun. Also, afaik talking to biologists, reading science papers, we are 99% oriented towards cooperation and not conflict. Civilization can not exist if we are too violent, and even violence on the battlefield or in game is usually cooperative, soldiers are part of a military unit as their primary function. Even then many get PTSD, plus irrationally violent people are put in mental health care in civilian society, and that we call the aberrant behavior being a socio- or psychopath.
  • 08:54 PM - Fenris-77 quoted lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    Hmmm... "Gentlemen, like Hitchock, prefer brunettes." Charles Coburn, indubitably.I thought it was that "gentlemen prefer chaotic evil dog-faced humanoids"? Maybe it was brunettes. I can never keep my bon mot straight, and your can never tell with Coburn.
  • 08:25 PM - Satyrn quoted lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    That's because it's tagged with Homebrew. The only homebrew I partake in better get my wicked messed up. I don't want my homebrew to make me read about exploding toads ... I want my homebrew to make me SEE exploding toads. *hic* If you're sitting at my table, you will see them. Heck. My awesome literary narration will have you feeling sad about the violent end to their too-short existence. You'll be provoked into pondering the meaning of life, the deepest question of human existence, the universe - everything. And you will, of course, answer "52."
  • 08:16 PM - Fenris-77 quoted lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    "Every movie is better with Sandra Bullock." Alfred Hitchcock, probably. He was obviously talking about Fire on the Amazon. Possibly Bullock's finest work, and a ground breaking cinematic masterpiece. Followed very closely by the cult classic, Sandra Dances the Can Can with a Line of Paladins on a Fresh Bed of Dead Gnome. A lesser know work I'll admit, but one of my favorites.
  • 07:49 PM - Satyrn quoted lowkey13 in post Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?
    I've got more to say! (Lots, lots more!) Bonus fun fact! Did you know that enworld is sortable? So, for example, let's say you wanted to find the four longest threads in the General Role Playing Games Discussion forum since 5e was published. Here, let me show you- https://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?611305-What-is-*worldbuilding*-for https://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?656781-A-GMing-telling-the-players-about-the-gameworld-is-not-like-real-life https://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?531049-Judgement-calls-vs-quot-railroading-quot https://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?658728-Is-RPGing-a-*literary*-endeavour And yet no one - not a single solitary person - responded to the the best post ever posted on EnWorld. https://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?657586-Exploding-Toads!-Turtle-Grenades! (Okay, not too much more)
  • 07:28 PM - Manbearcat quoted lowkey13 in post Formatting- Quotes Not Coming Out Correctly
    Is it invisible to you, as in "If I select the text, or change my color scheme, it appears!" ... or is it invisible, as in ... not there? The former. my color scheme is default text on black background of that helps (Iím computer incompetent so that is the best I got).
  • 07:21 PM - Manbearcat quoted lowkey13 in post Formatting- Quotes Not Coming Out Correctly
    Arghhh! Okay, but the quotes in the other thread didn't look right? What about the thread that I link to in this OP- https://www.enworld.org/forum/showth...=1#post7618903 Can you see that quote in that? YOU ARE CORRECT SIR Invisible text in other thread and linked thread.


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