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Thursday, 23rd November, 2017

  • 06:18 AM - Mistwell quoted MackMcMacky in post Hidden
  • 05:46 AM - Matthan quoted MackMcMacky in post [5E] Frog God Games KS of Tome of Horroes
    I doubt a handful of internet posters are going to produce the social "reform" that leads to those individuals getting to know all the details, outcomes, etc. of every workplace incident. I have only backed one Kickstarter. This won't be the second one but I am tempted to find some FGG products to purchase because, just as the world would be better off with fewer drunken men behaving badly, the world would be better off with fewer Torquemadas and Savonarolas. Sometimes, fans of "justice" turn into tyrants. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not asking for "reform". I am not asking to know all the details, outcomes, etc... of every workplace incident. I am asking for the one incident of which I am aware to be handled with greater care than a talking to behind closed doors from a close friend. This is not a "witch hunt" or an "inquisition" since Mr. Webb has admitted that he was wrong. I do not wish to engage in name calling, but I would like to ask that you not refer to th...

Wednesday, 15th November, 2017

  • 04:00 AM - Parmandur quoted MackMcMacky in post Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?
    Frankly, "we" aren't. I am discussing "Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?" which is rather more broad than you want it to be. Ooookay, well, the rest of us were discussing the origins of various concepts: not their latter development.

Tuesday, 14th November, 2017

  • 04:11 PM - Parmandur quoted MackMcMacky in post Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?
    The ranger is based on Aragorn and then altered for game design considerations and adding elements from other sources. "The Rangers is based on Aragorn." is not a complete assessment of the class in regard to the question, "Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?". It isn't meant to be a "complete assessment," whatever that might mean, but a core explanation of the conception, original and design intent of the class in OD&D. We are really just discussing OD&D in these threads, frankly.
  • 02:26 PM - lowkey13 quoted MackMcMacky in post Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?
    "Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?" - D&D is more then OD&D and that includes the ranger. If you are arguing that the ranger class wouldn't exist without Tolkien, I'm inclined to agree. If you are arguing that the ranger class is built to reflect only what Aragorn could do, did not borrow from other sources, and did not make some elements of the class out of whole-cloth for game design considerations, I'm inclined to disagree with you. P.S. Your response seems to be a broad reply inventing conclusions I did not draw. I try to be reasonably precise about what my claims are. Well, precision is always a good thing. But in that case, given the ongoing conversation about this particular issue ... feel free to look back on this thread, or the other thread- http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?595433-Why-D-amp-D-is-not-(just)-Tolkien I'm not entirely sure I understand your point. If you wish to clarify it further, please feel free. Given that we have been discussing, at length, those...

Monday, 13th November, 2017

  • 03:52 PM - Parmandur quoted MackMcMacky in post Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?
    Nope. What is under discussion is "Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien" and that invariably means distinguishing between what did and did not come from Tolkien. So, no, the 1E Ranger is not immaterial. It may not help the point you are trying to make but it is not immaterial. Nah, it is completely irrelevant: by 1E things were evolving in their own direction, which may have involved more or less Tolkienian influence in some areas, but it is not part of this discussion, being too late in the game. The OD&D was specifically designed because one of the Greyhawk players wanted to play Aragorn: so he and Gygax worked out a set of rules to simulate what that meant in game terms. I really don't see why folks want to die on this particular Hill: the Ranger is based on Aragorn.
  • 03:19 PM - lowkey13 quoted MackMcMacky in post Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?
    Nope. What is under discussion is "Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien" and that invariably means distinguishing between what did and did not come from Tolkien. So, no, the 1E Ranger is not immaterial. It may not help the point you are trying to make but it is not immaterial. This isn't a very good example. It's one of the worst. By analogy, it would be akin to saying, "But the Balrog was renamed a Balor, therefore not Tolkien." There is not much daylight between the OD&D and 1e Ranger. The OD&D Ranger was explicitly created so that someone could play Aragorn. The class features would not make any sense in isolation but for Aragorn (scrying ability at high level?). ...the second level title is Strider. I mean ... c'mon. Gygax did borrow from multiple sources. In the case of the Ranger, he borrowed from Tolkien. To view that in any other way is to make the same mistake that you view those who ascribe to much influence to Tolkien are doing, but in reverse. Just as you can clearly trac...
  • 07:28 AM - Parmandur quoted MackMcMacky in post Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?
    Aragorn was good at killing most anything besides Balrogs. I am not familiar with the OD&D Ranger but I think it's safe to say there is more to the 1E Ranger than an Aragorn simulation. But the 1E Ranger is immaterial, the OD&D explicit Aragon simulation is what was under discussion.
  • 05:43 AM - Parmandur quoted MackMcMacky in post Which parts of D&D came from Tolkien?
    I think it's pretty obvious Gygax and others at TSR lifted from Tolkien. However, some of the conclusions people are making seem to be ignoring other influences and a very compelling element of game design. Rangers may have powers displayed in Tolkien's works but they also appear to borrow significantly from Jack the Giant-Killer (who had a magic hat, magic sword, cloak of invisibility which appears all over Arthurian material, and shoes of speed), etc. Game design explains the concept of the "party" far better than lifting the "fellowship" from Tolkien. The game would be far less profitable if it encouraged one dungeon master and just one player. Game design also explains the "limited" number of followers a ranger has. Game design also means Elves aren't better at basically everything. Gygax and company were lifting from here and there, mixing and matching. Just in this thread someone has argued that Aragorn is a paladin while another has argued he is a ranger. Well, he can't be both as a PC, ...

Tuesday, 7th November, 2017

  • 05:01 AM - Steve Conan Trustrum quoted MackMcMacky in post Harassment At PaizoCon 2017
    Build that scarecrow so you can tear it down. You are trolling.Oh, you darling, precious boy. It's so horrifying that you actually think that.
  • 04:56 AM - prosfilaes quoted MackMcMacky in post Harassment At PaizoCon 2017
    We used to believe in redemption in this country. A whole host of reforms were implemented based on the notion of charity, mercy, and rehabilitation. I guess a lot of people are over that. Yep. We got a little tired of "charity" and "mercy" as applied to give certain people infinite opportunities to change, which they won't, because why will they if they have infinite opportunities. The idea of "charity" and "mercy" never seemed to apply to many other people, but if you were part of the in-crowd, oh brother, could you get away with stuff.
  • 04:20 AM - Steve Conan Trustrum quoted MackMcMacky in post Harassment At PaizoCon 2017
    You come off very poorly here with obvious ad hominem attacks. Where was Bill Webb when he got drunk and staggeringly and boorishly made advances to someone? Was it Canada? Where was Mentzer when he told someone they were stunningly beautiful and brilliant? Was it Canada? I get it. You think anyone who disagrees with you about how to assess and deal with sexual harassment is a bad person who is ignorant. And the "cowboy" thing, really? Please calm down before you write.Let's just start with the fact that I don't get too bent out of shape when guys like you, who argue for the forgiveness of guys who sexually harass women and for whom the women victims are some kind of tangential afterthought, say I "come off poorly." It warms my heart cockles and confirms I'm on the right side of the point at hand. But it sure is reassuring that you want to couch how sexual harassment should be treated and forgiven based on geography rather than empathy for the victims. Real cogent stance to take there, b...
  • 03:45 AM - Steve Conan Trustrum quoted MackMcMacky in post Harassment At PaizoCon 2017
    I read what Mentzer wrote. I also read the back and forth about what it all meant. It all felt like a witch hunt to me. Bill Webb screwed up and the person he harassed felt it was resolved. I'm all for second chances. If Bill Webb, shows up sober and games that's great. I trust the people on the ground to make the judgment. We used to believe in redemption in this country. A whole host of reforms were implemented based on the notion of charity, mercy, and rehabilitation. I guess a lot of people are over that."Witch hunt" ... yeah, funny how often that term gets brought up to defend people caught sexually harassing others. Almost like it's a favourite excuse used by people who don't truly understand what sexual harassment does to a person because they're not in the demographic most likely to be victimized by it. Funny, that. And redemption? Again, it's always funny how we have to give them a second chance when the only reason we know about the first chance is because they got caught THIS time...

Monday, 6th November, 2017

  • 05:53 PM - Gradine quoted MackMcMacky in post Harassment At PaizoCon 2017
    Some people seem to be indicating that the transgressor is irredeemable. One going so far as to essentially claim that how you behave when your are drunk is your "true self" as if it's a scientific diagnostic tool for personalities. If you'd bothered to read my posts at all you'd see the multiple times that I stated that I wanted the transgressor to redeem themselves, and in fact outlined the steps that would be required for me to believe and accept such redemption. I also don't believe I used the phrase "true self" when describing somebody's behavior while drunk. Socialization is a pretty important part of a person's personality. That said, Dannyalcatraz said better than I did when he described being drunk as a lack of "impulse control". How you behave while drunk certainly indicates what your baser impulses are, and when those impulses involve demeaning and harassing women then that concerns me.
  • 05:26 PM - mythago quoted MackMcMacky in post Harassment At PaizoCon 2017
    The incident happened. Those wronged felt that it had been resolved. Other people didn't and put it out there for armchair quarterbacks everywhere to draw their conclusions based on second-hand or third-hand information. Some people seem to be indicating that the transgressor is irredeemable. One going so far as to essentially claim that how you behave when your are drunk is your "true self" as if it's a scientific diagnostic tool for personalities. I think many of us are aware of the limited information we have to go on and an interest in a healthy resolution rather than getting several pounds of flesh. If the behavior is related to alcoholism then there are treatments available to help control those impulses. This is an excellent example of how one can use the curious grammar of English to sanitize awkward facts. "The incident happened" excises the actor. Mr. Webb didn't do anything; he certainly didn't make a decision to get drunk and harass someone to the point that he had to be ...
  • 11:19 AM - Morrus quoted MackMcMacky in post Hidden
  • 05:07 AM - Staccat0 quoted MackMcMacky in post North Texas RPG Convention Refuses To Listen To Harassment Concerns
    All this "industry professional" talk is silly. He stated his job is in IT. He runs the con as a hobby. He is purposefully keeping the con small. He said he wouldn't tolerate anything besides gaming. I would think people would be smart enough to know sexual harassment is not gaming. Please, stop pooping on someone else's party and stop dictating to others how to deal with all the ills of society. Maybe, just maybe, other people have different notions of how to solve problems. I’m not sure why us discussing his response on a forum bothers some. We’re not sending him to prison. We’re talking about something crappy in our hobby and one example of a response. The idea that we should give equal weight to all opinions when it comes to topics like sexual harassment at cons is kinda silly IMO. If people who have experienced the problem don’t (or do) have thoughts about it I am more interested in them than some rando guy who could care less if I attend his con or not. The topics that don’t interest me in...
  • 05:01 AM - Hussar quoted MackMcMacky in post North Texas RPG Convention Refuses To Listen To Harassment Concerns
    All this "industry professional" talk is silly. He stated his job is in IT. He runs the con as a hobby. He is purposefully keeping the con small. He said he wouldn't tolerate anything besides gaming. I would think people would be smart enough to know sexual harassment is not gaming. Please, stop pooping on someone else's party and stop dictating to others how to deal with all the ills of society. Maybe, just maybe, other people have different notions of how to solve problems. He absolutely has the right to invite anyone he wants. Completely. We also have the right to say, no, that's not right and spread the word that he is inviting someone who has had serious issues with harassment. Now, as far as "you'd think people would be smart enough to know that sexual harassment is not gaming" goes, you'd think so. Unfortunately, as recent history shows, it's a pretty prevalent thing. And, it's up to us, as a community to flat out say, "No this is unacceptable".
  • 04:54 AM - Hussar quoted MackMcMacky in post Hidden
  • 04:41 AM - Saxon1974 quoted MackMcMacky in post North Texas RPG Convention Refuses To Listen To Harassment Concerns
    All this "industry professional" talk is silly. He stated his job is in IT. He runs the con as a hobby. He is purposefully keeping the con small. He said he wouldn't tolerate anything besides gaming. I would think people would be smart enough to know sexual harassment is not gaming. Please, stop pooping on someone else's party and stop dictating to others how to deal with all the ills of society. Maybe, just maybe, other people have different notions of how to solve problems. Yep this. I suspect as well there is a SJW agenda going after this con as it is in Texas and SJW groups hate anyone who doesn't "agree with them". I had an experience at a private game where a certain person and I didn't agree about religion and her take was basically I was a bigot and shouldn't be allowed in the game anymore (which calling me a bigot because I didn't agree with her position of religion was ridiculous). We had a disagreement over a comment that came up but there was no harrasment; merely a polite disagreem...


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