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    The thing about milestone leveling that breaks...

    The thing about milestone leveling that breaks the association of levels to combat is that it gets applied when you reach the milestone, *however* you reach the milestone. It doesn't have to be "you...
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    I think you are missing the point a bit. ...

    I think you are missing the point a bit.

    Folks are asking whether "violent" is the "natural state" for humans. They then have to turn and look for what the "natural state" for humans actually...
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    You aren't the only one in the thread that has...

    You aren't the only one in the thread that has tried to refer to something like the human "natural state". I was speaking to the entire concept with your post as merely a jumping off point, as it...
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    One option missed in the OP is "Ineffable: The...

    One option missed in the OP is "Ineffable: The exact nature of the gods is not known, or undetermined. Divine magic happens, but nobody has proof of why or how."

    This is how most of my games run...
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    The scientific community recognizes "good" and...

    The scientific community recognizes "good" and "evil" as human concepts, not natural states of the universe. The question of whether we are born good or evil makes little sense, when we *define*...
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    You say that as if humans *have* an identifiable...

    You say that as if humans *have* an identifiable "natural state" - we are a tribal, social species and an extremely extended infant period compared to other animals. We, more than any other creature...
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    The game's rules are certainly largely about...

    The game's rules are certainly largely about combat. The *could* have rules that were as rich for dealing with social/political action, or other activity, but they don't. If we hand players a...
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    Talk about your questionable choices. One...

    Talk about your questionable choices.

    One reason why we are okay with violence, is that in the real world, some people have issues letting things go, and that tends to escalate....

    Gentlemen,...
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    There's "questionable choice" and "end up on the...

    There's "questionable choice" and "end up on the wrong side of the moral argument". Splitting the party to chase down goblins in the woods is a questionable choice, and when they did that, they...
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    Um, be careful there. You started with simulated...

    Um, be careful there. You started with simulated violence, but then use *real* physical conflicts (minor ones, as toddlers) as your example. Apples and oranges.

    De-sensitization to violence...
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    Perhaps. But I would likely *position* it...

    Perhaps. But I would likely *position* it differently. See above - I was not going to run a game in which 13-year-olds end up on the wrong side of the moral argument. If I'm going to present the...
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    So, let me continue from the perspective of my...

    So, let me continue from the perspective of my experience - since it was a recent one in which I actively questioned the tolerances for many things in my game and presentation...

    At the root, we...
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    A little while back, I taught my 13-year-old de...

    A little while back, I taught my 13-year-old de facto goddaughter how to play D&D. That gave me an entirely new perspective on what "safe" means.

    There's a little-realized fact that there's no...
  14. Dude. If it was a woman, you don't have to leap,...

    Dude. If it was a woman, you don't have to leap, because of the statistics involved.

    One in five women are raped at some point in their lives. 43% of heterosexual women report experiencing some...
  15. That language is inappropriate, and unacceptable....

    That language is inappropriate, and unacceptable. Do not post in this thread again.

    Anyone else think they want to try to push the limits? This person is getting booted from the thread. The...
  16. The question isn't about severity. It is about...

    The question isn't about severity. It is about the logic and form of the argument.



    Oh, most times it isn't like Snidely Whiplash, twirling his mustache, going, "BWAHAHAHA! Now I will say bad...
  17. That's fair. And then what we are looking for...

    That's fair.

    And then what we are looking for is a list of things for people to rate a game on. There's an arti and science of that, too, which can get pretty deep.

    There are a few things that...
  18. Well, there may be some thigns that nearly...

    Well, there may be some thigns that nearly everyone cares about - some specific questions everyone wants to know the answer to. That's okay.

    But you should approach it *from the question* rather...
  19. Oh, we are quite accustomed to honesty of...

    Oh, we are quite accustomed to honesty of opinion. We are also accustomed to rather unsavory rhetorical practices.

    You are now at the point of leveling insinuations against people in order to...
  20. Don't ask, "What would be a good metric?" Ask...

    Don't ask, "What would be a good metric?"

    Ask instead: "What matters to you about a game?" Not just as a thought exercise - Make an actual list of things that matter to you.

    We can try to...
  21. Okay. But do you not recognize that means the...

    Okay. But do you not recognize that means the strength of your argument comes only from your personal credibility?

    Do you even want that? Do you really want anyone to change their behavior...
  22. "...the whole hobby..."? Where are you getting...

    "...the whole hobby..."?

    Where are you getting the idea that anything other than a few vocal people here and on social media even give a fetid dingo's kidney about this - or are even aware of it?...
  23. I don't believe any of the victims of the Salem...

    I don't believe any of the victims of the Salem witch trials were running role playing games, so they are perhaps not a great example from which to extrapolate.
  24. I think you have a problem in that you are...

    I think you have a problem in that you are discussing what you see as a general issue, in a thread about an incident that does not support your points well at all.

    Find a documented incident where...
  25. thanson02 I am *terribly* sorry. There was a...

    thanson02 I am *terribly* sorry. There was a bug on the boards I thought was fixed, but apparently wasn't.

    It had the effect of erasing the content on your opening post when I tired to move...
  26. This should be over in the D&D forum. I'll move...

    This should be over in the D&D forum. I'll move it...
  27. We're going to need you to show more respect for...

    We're going to need you to show more respect for the other posters in the thread, even if you disagree with them.

    If you find you can't do that, please stop posting in the thread.

    And in case...
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    Sarah Connor was always such an optimist.

    Sarah Connor was always such an optimist.
  29. Just so we are clear- if you can get into and out...

    Just so we are clear- if you can get into and out of it... by definition it is *NOT* a closed system.
  30. Yes, if the con uses bad information, and then...

    Yes, if the con uses bad information, and then publicly announces an incorrect conclusion, yes they are at some risk of liability.

    But, that's huge IF. That isn't what happened here. This is a...
  31. I am not sure where you are going with this, but...

    I am not sure where you are going with this, but let us be clear that the room captain was by no means the only way that the con had to contact them directly.

    From the UKGE's page, titled "Keeping...
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    Before you get even snarkier about it... There...

    Before you get even snarkier about it...

    There are elements of rules that we are aware of, that sometimes out of tradition we don't use. Like weapon vs armor type tables. The fact that we didn't...
  33. Well, also to be fair, this guy was not an...

    Well, also to be fair, this guy was not an employee, and firing him was not denying him a paycheck.
  34. I know of several games in which the entire group...

    I know of several games in which the entire group played such - the ranger's companion, the paladin's warhorse, the wizard's familiar - it's a thing.

    Heck - Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers had a...
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    Robert Downey Jr. dumps a whole lot of money into...

    Robert Downey Jr. dumps a whole lot of money into saving the world with technology...

    Oh, wait a minute...

    https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/robert-downey-jr-footprint-coalition-1203233371/
  36. We have a rule against arguing moderation...

    We have a rule against arguing moderation in-thread. Morrus is really quite specific on that point.
  37. If you are going to try to make this political,...

    If you are going to try to make this political, please leave the thread now before you get booted. There will be precious little pataience for this.

    This is not about politics or government. ...
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    Yet, there they were, on the sheets. ...

    Yet, there they were, on the sheets.

    Because, really, the idea that they were in the DMG, and therefore somehow secret... is kind of missing how the DMG wasn't secret. Let us not pretend...
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    What Crowley did with the M25 is one of the more...

    What Crowley did with the M25 is one of the more colorful ideas in the book. It deserved its moment.
  40. Ah, but in this case, it isn't just old. It is...

    Ah, but in this case, it isn't just old. It is older than our species, and it is unlikely that we can have a functioning society without it.

    Shame is perhaps the single largest way that social...
  41. Why not? Really. Why not? He can still...

    Why not?

    Really. Why not?

    He can still go to the other cons. He can play games. He just can't run them. What is he losing - the chance to run a handful of games a year? Why is that such...
  42. What you fail to see is that, if it isn't made...

    What you fail to see is that, if it isn't made visible, there is no need to answer to anyone, and behavior does not change. This is proven by history. When these things stayed quiet and private, as...
  43. Folks, do not get heated. Do not invoke the...

    Folks, do not get heated. Do not invoke the language filter - that is an indication to the moderators that you are no longer discussing in a calm manner, and will have to be removed from the thread.
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    No, I have to - my personal machine is running...

    No, I have to - my personal machine is running Windows 7, and support for the OS is ending this year. They *do not* recommend just putting Windows 10 on my old hardware. So, upgrade it is.
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    Well, I had to replace/upgrade my computer this...

    Well, I had to replace/upgrade my computer this year anyway....
  46. Some of what you say does not match my...

    Some of what you say does not match my experiences, both interacting with and working on convention security teams.



    That's not usually how it works. There's a convention security team, and...
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    Standing by un-measurable assertions is easy. It...

    Standing by un-measurable assertions is easy. It still looks like standing by your 1974 Ford Pinto* as a great car. :p




    *Which had a reputation for blowing up if it got rear-ended
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    That's nice. Do you still use a rotary-dial...

    That's nice. Do you still use a rotary-dial phone, too? Drive a car that uses leaded gasoline? Listen to a lot of The Captain and Tennille? :p
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    Be careful what you wish for... Are you...

    Be careful what you wish for...



    Are you sure the reputation is "more complex", and not just "more confusing"?

    But, note that in your explanation, you left out a step:


    In 3E-5E, you...
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    "But that's not the point! The point is that I...

    "But that's not the point! The point is that I am now a perfectly safe penguin, and my colleague here is rapidly running out of limbs!"
    -Ford Prefect
  51. With respect, maybe *you* would think that. But...

    With respect, maybe *you* would think that. But you'd be forgetting the major complexities of human social interaction in so thinking.

    End result, though, is a bias against direct confrontation -...
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    This is less a mechanical issue, and more a "user...

    This is less a mechanical issue, and more a "user experience" issue, but it does matter.

    If you are a computer, there's no real difference. However, for real-life humans, addition is easier than...
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    Hm... Whatever Kevin Kulp's next game is after...

    Hm...

    Whatever Kevin Kulp's next game is after Swords of the Serpentine.

    This is entirely based on Kevin's skills as a GM, and has diddly to do with whatever the game is.
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    Just to be clear, you are correcting a mistake...

    Just to be clear, you are correcting a mistake made in 2002.
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    Agreed. It is a highly unreliable way to get...

    Agreed. It is a highly unreliable way to get information.



    Says who? I mean, did you do some massive polling, or something?

    The 5e rules have no mechanics for torture. There is an...
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    A lot of added value. Betrayal Legacy takes...

    A lot of added value.

    Betrayal Legacy takes the basic mechanics of Betrayal at the House on the Hill, but gives you new/different content - new cards, room tiles, *all* new haunts, etc, and puts...
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    A few you you all seem to be getting a little...

    A few you you all seem to be getting a little testy. Please take it down a couple notches, please and thanks.
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    Yep. Before the cantrips came along,...

    Yep. Before the cantrips came along, spellcasters were often enough left in the lurch when they didn't have a useful spell prepared.

    The icon was the first level magic-user, who had ONE spell a...
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    Hey, folks, just a note: We haven't had to...

    Hey, folks, just a note: We haven't had to moderate folks for edition warring for a long time. But if you are going to be a jerk about editions, we will deal with you.

    Moreover, consider, for a...
  60. Yeah. That's why I put the "if", and taking him...

    Yeah. That's why I put the "if", and taking him precisely at his word. I mean, even if the best literal interpretation of his story is still a problem... there was a problem. That game should not...
  61. So, if I take this guy precisely at his word, I...

    So, if I take this guy precisely at his word, I see the problem.

    His word is he said the PCs are drugged, and wake up, "naked, handcuffed to each other, with sore bums, in the back of a van." ...
  62. If you go to a restaurant, and you order food,...

    If you go to a restaurant, and you order food, and come down with food poisoning, the experience is "decidedly unpleasant". So, the folks in the kitchen have to wash their hands. And, they give...
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    What? You don't hear the narrator speaking in...

    What? You don't hear the narrator speaking in the language and accent you are most comfortable hearing?
  64. Hey, Josh? I hope you realize that snark laden...

    Hey, Josh? I hope you realize that snark laden diatribes aren't going to make anything better.

    So how about we cut back on that aspect of things several notches, please and thanks.
  65. I started a thread on this earlier today: ...

    I started a thread on this earlier today:

    http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?659772-Magic-the-Gathering-Animated-Series

    I'll close this one, so the discussion can stay consolidated....
  66. For those who are not aware, the X-card concept...

    For those who are not aware, the X-card concept is simple: You put an index card with a big "X" on it on the table. If what is going on in the game or the table is problematic for anyone, they...
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    To me, the concept of orgone does not invoke...

    To me, the concept of orgone does not invoke "armor". The character can wear armor, sure, but given that you are talking about it ignoring material barriers, it does not seem to me like the power...
  68. I don't think this actually addresses the same...

    I don't think this actually addresses the same problem as the X-card, at all. I think it is a good idea for a GM to put up front if they intend their game to include material that some would find...
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    With respect, I don't think anyone is confused...

    With respect, I don't think anyone is confused here, any more than they are confused when they talk about killing players instead of killing PCs.

    You may find the language choice to be inaccurate,...
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    Meh. Almost every fan of anything in the...

    Meh. Almost every fan of anything in the sci-fi/fantasy genres is a frustrated novelist.

    I meant the question a bit more as a diagnostic for the individual.
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    Magic the Gathering Animated Series

    Several sources today are reporting that the Russo Brothers will be doing a Magic: The Gathering animates series (focusing on the Planeswalkers) for Netflix.
    ...
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    Well, ask yourself this - would you write the...

    Well, ask yourself this - would you write the world, and the associated stories of how it progresses around and with the NPCs, if you didn't have PCs playing in the world?
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    But also to be fair, people usually think 40...

    But also to be fair, people usually think 40 looks old.
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    Um... It is a luxury entertainment. Ultimately,...

    Um... It is a luxury entertainment. Ultimately, the only value it has is whether people enjoy it. If people don't enjoy it (in whatever sense that means to them), then how well the game was run is...
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    I think there's a bit of expectation that comes...

    I think there's a bit of expectation that comes with formality. If you are playing at Gen Con, there's an expectation that, if you are running a game, you are 100% on top of the rules.

    At this...
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    Each year, I go to a house-con, which is...

    Each year, I go to a house-con, which is organized into 4-hour blocks, so people get to play something like 5 games during the weekend. The con has leaned specifically toward running games folks...
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    Not very. I mean, really, that's it. I'm...

    Not very.

    I mean, really, that's it. I'm usually not playing games in fiddly-bit hardcore mechanics mode. A rules flub here or there, the occasional lookup, these things don't significantly...
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    Any friends who have Prime? Bring them some odd...

    Any friends who have Prime? Bring them some odd sandwiches in exchange for letting you watch?
  79. Yeah, I know. There are limits to all analogies....

    Yeah, I know. There are limits to all analogies. I was kind of thinking of it as the published game is kind of the genetic line. Individual tables are the individuals of the species. Eventually,...
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    I found, over the years, that simulationism in my...

    I found, over the years, that simulationism in my world design didn't get me anything valuable, and took more work. It burned up time as the PCs wandered around in the simulation looking for the...
  81. I mean, saying 4e was an advance, and 5e a step...

    I mean, saying 4e was an advance, and 5e a step back works, if that's what you think.

    Mulling over the evolution analogy... I note that evolution is not an *overall* statement of a creature's...
  82. Not relevant to any particular game or edition: ...

    Not relevant to any particular game or edition: This is not how evolution works. Evolution does not have a preferred forward, and thus no backward. Either "evolution" is not a proper word to...
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    It dropped a day early, it seems, as my wife and...

    It dropped a day early, it seems, as my wife and I watched the first episode last night, on the 30th.

    So far, very well done.
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    Well, there are a couple of ways this has gone: ...

    Well, there are a couple of ways this has gone:

    (From Memory Alpha)

    "In the novel Cold Equations: The Persistence of Memory, Doctor Bruce Maddox is contemplating deleting Data's memory engrams...
  85. Warhammer, the minis wargame, is notorious for...

    Warhammer, the minis wargame, is notorious for continual change (in part to continue driving minis sales).

    Warhammer Fantasy Role Play (WFRP), the RPG, has only seen 4 editions since it was...
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    Very. I imagine, for example, Picard would react...

    Very. I imagine, for example, Picard would react *very* poorly to Section 31 raising its head during or after the rescue. The idea that his Federation used such a thing as its support... he...
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    Picyune thing - "need to" is strong. Absolutes...

    Picyune thing - "need to" is strong. Absolutes probably don't serve us very well. We don't "need" to do anything. We don't "need" to use d20s to play D&D.

    But, most of us would *recommend*...
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    The point was that there isn't a "one size fits...

    The point was that there isn't a "one size fits all" answer. How you go about getting folks to play a more complicated game depends on why you want to play a more complicated game. In terms of...
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    Ah. Let me ask a question. Do you differentiate...

    Ah. Let me ask a question. Do you differentiate between "story" and "plot"?

    I do. In this context a plot is a series of events. You can take one plot, put emphasis or de-emphasis on elements...
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    This thread contains a poll. Hey, you! Pay attention! I already gave one...

    Hey, you! Pay attention! I already gave one warning in this thread about not making things personal. If you thought patience for this nonsense has somehow refreshed, or that you're too cool for...
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    (Bold emphasis mine) Right. So, the mood is...

    (Bold emphasis mine)

    Right. So, the mood is something that engages you. So... what tools are used to establish the mood? When you play, does someone *just tell you*? "This scene with the...
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    I'm saying it may not be much of a dichotomy in...

    I'm saying it may not be much of a dichotomy in may cases because the *how* is not cleanly separable from the what. Or, the how is part of the what.

    To take an example that will probably mean...
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    So, we'd get to more clearly divide Them from Us?...

    So, we'd get to more clearly divide Them from Us?

    I've generally held that RPGs are a genre of games. Genres *don't have* sharp definitions. They have very fuzzy edges, defined by inclusion...
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    Many things we expect to be obvious, aren't. I...

    Many things we expect to be obvious, aren't. I think this is related to how common sense isn't all that common.
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    That may be a false dichotomy. Remember that...

    That may be a false dichotomy.

    Remember that Call of Cthulhu is a *horror* game. Can we agree that achieving some sensation of horror is one (possibly among many) implicit goal of play?
    ...
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    Hey, we should be feel lucky that language has at...

    Hey, we should be feel lucky that language has at least that passing acquaintance with formal logic!

    The best bit on double negatives comes from a film, The Lost Skeleton Returns Again. ...
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    You know, scoffing at others because they want to...

    You know, scoffing at others because they want to do things differently than you... is not a good look.

    It is fine to not want, or feel a need for such details. And to express that, and maybe...
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    https://youtu.be/PKo7Ivssqfk

    https://youtu.be/PKo7Ivssqfk
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    Two people on the internet are wrong. One is the...

    Two people on the internet are wrong. One is the person who is wrong. The other is the person who thinks they can change the mind of the wrong person on the internet by tossing facts and arguments...
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    Yes. It has also been noted that anarchy is a...

    Yes. It has also been noted that anarchy is a viable mode of human organization... for about 20 minutes. While one can put together a situation where no standing organization exists, it isn't a...
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