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    Good point! Never thought about it before from...

    Good point! Never thought about it before from this perspective. Thanks.
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    Agree with all you said, but for me it comes down...

    Agree with all you said, but for me it comes down to the above quote.
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    100%. 5e adds to all those positive in-game...

    100%. 5e adds to all those positive in-game consequences with mechanical positives too, as you likely know, like Inspiration points and in the DMG you have Faith, Faction progression...etc
    So yes,...
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    I'm not Lanefan, but the obvious limitation is...

    I'm not Lanefan, but the obvious limitation is that it removes XPs as Reward. Milestone seems to negate individual creative/smart efforts by characters, moving from individual level progression to a...
  5. There are no 'lengths' that I'm going through and...

    There are no 'lengths' that I'm going through and stop insinuating nonsense. If you bothered to follow through with my discussion with the poster that replied to me you would have realised I...
  6. Thanks. Had to google DBS check. Keep on...

    Thanks. Had to google DBS check. Keep on forgetting about criminal record ruining future employment opportunities once out of prison. That's what happens when you don't think things through properly.
  7. Playing devil's advocate...cause I agree with the...

    Playing devil's advocate...cause I agree with the ruling of the Con.

    Man rapes, man get's charged, man serves time, man is released, man is allowed to date again.

    GM rapes fictional characters...
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    Or prior to the above fall out or instead of it,...

    Or prior to the above fall out or instead of it, you pursue one of the below.

    1. A truce is discussed over a game of chess. An agreement is drawn up to separate the city's resources between the 2...
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    I retread back to a post by Ovinomancer adding...

    I retread back to a post by Ovinomancer adding onto a reply to myself by Aldarc (excellent posts by both of them) where Ovi speaks about intent. I wanted to make a point about this at the time, but...
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    Their literary endeavour. Too soon?

    Their literary endeavour.

    Too soon?
  11. Will sign any petition for more Mystara material...

    Will sign any petition for more Mystara material

    EDIT: Signed
  12. The single dude that got banned from this thread?...

    The single dude that got banned from this thread? I believe every other poster agreed with the banning of the individual from running games at future cons. Disagreement only occured on shunning him...
  13. Really? People here have been calling for us to...

    Really? People here have been calling for us to return to a particular unsavoury climate? The level of exaggeration that exists is astounding.
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    I agree it does not help to use the word literary...

    I agree it does not help to use the word literary in such a broad manner, despite technicalities, I already addressed same with Max.

    My only engagement in this thread has been about the the use of...
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    Sure I'm not pushing for additional standards,...

    Sure I'm not pushing for additional standards, was just stating a preference to Max.

    In a game where the players provide much content I imagine evocative language by the DM is not of primary...
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    This is not a great argument to engage in mostly...

    This is not a great argument to engage in mostly due to the clash of definitions and clarifications which generally us squabblers fail to agree on, everytime.
    Literary endeavour, wordcrafting, and...
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    Sure, if one digs into it, (and I realise this...

    Sure, if one digs into it, (and I realise this was not the thrust of your post) but all that Q&A could have been avoided if one front-loaded the necessary evocative language in the setup. The problem...
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    I could perhaps agree with you that there is some...

    I could perhaps agree with you that there is some exaggeration from the other side, but I also feel you vastly reduce the importance of the language used within RPGs. @Hussar touched on this...
  19. Thanks for your post. Pretty much agree with the...

    Thanks for your post.
    Pretty much agree with the above sentiment about not besmirching his name and not ostracising him from society.
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    Purely out of interest, why?

    Purely out of interest, why?
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    Being a hardcore 2e guy back then, I was pretty...

    Being a hardcore 2e guy back then, I was pretty resistant when I heard about 3e and given that I was the primary DM of our group we didn't convert for a long time. It was only upon hearing about the...
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    LOL. Well that is exactly my point! ;) I enjoy...

    LOL. Well that is exactly my point! ;)
    I enjoy the boxed texts, even if they just provide a base or inspiration, and I lean heavier on the side that values wordcrafting. I'm no great wordsmith and...
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    WTF, did I just read?! Even jasper's...

    WTF, did I just read?!

    Even jasper's occasional ramblings make more sense.
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    Hussar's post reminded me of another thread many...

    Hussar's post reminded me of another thread many of us engaged in, I'm a little lazy now to go searching for a link but it was the thread about the blocked texts in published modules. It would be...
  25. This doesn't seem like a great adventure for...

    This doesn't seem like a great adventure for LARPing
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    CURSE OF THE SATYR

    BACKGROUND: A lecherous satyr undeterred by the continuous rejections of a dryad he fancied, found an opportunity one day when the Dryad was far enough from the safety of her grove to demand her...
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    Perhaps this will help (probably not), but at...

    Perhaps this will help (probably not), but at least it will provide a baseline of where we each stand.
    I might have missed a few steps - feel free to add (except Grocery Lists :p)

    a) Literary...
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    Given our inability, throughout a multitude of...

    Given our inability, throughout a multitude of threads, to agree on any definitions, causing many a pericombobulation, I hope no one objects if I offer Dr. Samuel Johnson my enthusiastic...
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    And the author of the OP?

    And the author of the OP?
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    XP for this. However on the issue of...

    XP for this.

    However on the issue of wordcraft, I do not think it is useful in this debate to include such a liberal interpretation of the word.
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    Bold emphasis mine. I agree with you, but here...

    Bold emphasis mine.
    I agree with you, but here is the rub, pemerton does not as per his OP. He does not even make that concession that someone could engage in a literary endeavour for their RPGing. ...
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    Max, you have a tendency to be rather liberal in...

    Max, you have a tendency to be rather liberal in your definitions and technically you are not wrong but by broadening the use of wordcraft to such a degree you make its value in this debate somewhat...
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    Ok you are making a distinction between...

    Ok you are making a distinction between story/narrative and literary. As a layman, I have to ask, is the crafting of a good story not part of crafting great literature? What are the differences?

    I...
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    I'm not necessarily convinced of that claim. ...

    I'm not necessarily convinced of that claim.

    However, unlike @pemerton I do think literary endeavour exists within RPGs. Certainly when one looks at CR, the word usage by Mercer is important in...
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    Bold emphasis mine. I agree with your assessment...

    Bold emphasis mine.
    I agree with your assessment in that the content is more important than the execution, that is not to say that the execution does not have its value - it just does not need to be...
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    I'm running a heavily modified B10, with tie-ins...

    I'm running a heavily modified B10, with tie-ins to past characters of our table's failed/abandoned adventuring parties. It took me a significant period of time to lace together a backstory for this...
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    Some would say the last game of thrones season...

    Some would say the last game of thrones season was not a literary endeavour.
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    They paid for Jaime and Cersei in the final...

    They paid for Jaime and Cersei in the final episode when they could have just used the golden hand to signify they were dead within the rubble.

    Although they did save on the makeup costs having...
  39. What value did Jon have as a hostage for Grey...

    What value did Jon have as a hostage for Grey Worm?
    Nothing was discussed when the major houses met. There was absolutely no bargaining whatsoever except for his punishment. So no, value was not the...
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    I do not buy that. They were offered tons of cash...

    I do not buy that. They were offered tons of cash and loads more episodes by HBO.
    They also keep spewing the line about how expensive it is to create/shoot Ghost and to have dogs behave a certain...
  41. I think his name will be Aemon. I believe that...

    I think his name will be Aemon. I believe that they did not want to confuse viewers with Maester Aemon from Castle Black hence the switch to Aegon. For the same reason they created Yara Greyjoy.
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    Because they kind of forgot how to write...

    Because they kind of forgot how to write...
  43. And yet his men drew their weapons on Davos and...

    And yet his men drew their weapons on Davos and Snow when he tried to stop Grey Worm murdering the Lannister PoW's.
    The character Grey Worm was a useless tool in the last episode and made no sense...
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    This is closer to my understanding of it, but I'm...

    This is closer to my understanding of it, but I'm not an expert on the accepted norms.
  45. I wonder if in the books Daenerys uses the...

    I wonder if in the books Daenerys uses the hotkeys so she doesn't lose as many mutalisks.
  46. This. And this.

    This.



    And this.
  47. Very little made sense in the final. ...

    Very little made sense in the final.

    Especially the jokers who sat at the small council with fanfiction dialogue.
    Very early on in the show Tyrion had to explain what a bank is Bronn, now the...
  48. To be fair, one of the positives from this...

    To be fair, one of the positives from this season, were the 12,000 of the original 8,000 unsullied who survived.
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    All I'm saying is things would have played out a...

    All I'm saying is things would have played out a lot differently if StoneMountain64 was the officer in charge of the Golden Company
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    Evocative words engender creativity.

    Evocative words engender creativity.
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    Pretty much agree with this. Frequency of play...

    Pretty much agree with this. Frequency of play varies from table to table, so Lanefan might be hugely fortunate to be playing every week - so this kind of social exchange is possible to explore...
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    Bored out of my skull from the mass-production of...

    Bored out of my skull from the mass-production of trash coming out of Hollywood, I've started watching some foreign series on Netflix.

    German: Parfum (Perfume book and movie), Dark (reminds me of...
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    Yeah, I didn't quote anyone specifically, because...

    Yeah, I didn't quote anyone specifically, because everyone here has written a thesis and I have been MIA for a while so have not been able to follow this thread and others as well as I'd have liked....
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    Colour is known to influence much in the world,...

    Colour is known to influence much in the world, hence its use in advertising, fashion, architecture...etc
    To discount or play down the effects of colour in roleplaying seems a little short-sighted...
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    It isn't bad CGI or poorly depicted props - they...

    It isn't bad CGI or poorly depicted props - they introduced content, i.e. the scorpion with its deadly accuracy, range and force and how quickly they are able to load. But anyways I doubt we will...
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    That is a bit of a stretch but ok exaggeration is...

    That is a bit of a stretch but ok exaggeration is your game.
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    Even this (bolded section) can be subjective -...

    Even this (bolded section) can be subjective - one can but refer to the plethora of online arguments regarding the Dragon Queen and her descent into Madness.



    This might help explain why I...
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    I guess the length of the leash is where...

    I guess the length of the leash is where disagreement occurs. For me a departure of what has previously been presented causes the biggest issue.
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    To be clear, I'm not condoning mass murder, but...

    To be clear, I'm not condoning mass murder, but neither am I supporting your stance that all killing is bad or immoral.
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    You're discussing something else entirely.

    You're discussing something else entirely.
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    If Batman actually ended the Joker the 2nd, 3rd,...

    If Batman actually ended the Joker the 2nd, 3rd, xth time he caught him, one might see a significant decrease in victims every time the super-villain escapes from the asylum. Not buying this 'let...
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    I do not understand this line of argument which...

    I do not understand this line of argument which gets repeated in this and other threads.
    Just because a supernatural creature exists in the story doesn't mean the rest of reality/believability...
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    That is on me, I should have maybe included an...

    That is on me, I should have maybe included an emoji in my tongue-and-cheek post.
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    This is the most character development we have ...

    This is the most character development we have ever seen on the Night King
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    I have to ask then, what would be major then, in...

    I have to ask then, what would be major then, in your estimation? I'm curious where your line is drawn.

    EDIT: Furthermore I think at this point (season 8) some of us have been more than a little...
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    Well he has publicly stated on his...

    Well he has publicly stated on his Not-A-Blog-Site that the rumour that he has finished book 6 and 7 is emphatically not true. In fact he states that he has not even begun book 7.
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    Ramped up pacing with logical sense thrown in...

    Ramped up pacing with logical sense thrown in sure...but this was senseless.

    I also disagree with @hawkeyefan with his (and I'm going to say it) apologist view of the scorpion use. Again this goes...
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    The Inside the Episode segments are highly...

    The Inside the Episode segments are highly entertaining where the showruiners justify their blunders...
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    Euron is also a cardboard cut out, cut from the...

    Euron is also a cardboard cut out, cut from the same place they made Captain Marvel.

    In other news there is a youtube vid going around by actor Ian McElhinney (Ser Barristan Selmy) at a 2019...
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    Not even nudity could have saved this season.

    Not even nudity could have saved this season.
  71. When @hawkeyefan...

    When @hawkeyefan first mentioned the mechanic I pretty much realised how it could be used in a game and given your above post, this confirms it. It is an excellent mechanic!

    Hard choices and...
  72. LOL. We cross posted - I edited my original post...

    LOL. We cross posted - I edited my original post as I knew this was going to come up as you had mentioned it previously. ;)

    I love the BitD system for this, especially for themes I may be...
  73. I hear what you are saying but it comes down to...

    I hear what you are saying but it comes down to this:
    In reality, we plan what to take before the trip/adventure, hard choices have to be made at planning level which will affect encumbrance...
  74. No it was strictly an AC or no AC mechanic, I...

    No it was strictly an AC or no AC mechanic, I wasn't even touching level/HD.



    That is fair.
  75. Okay due to the number of responses I have only...

    Okay due to the number of responses I have only responded to @Aldarc's comment so far, other points I either agree with or haven't really gotten around to them or do not form part of the conversation...
  76. Okay then there is something I'm not...

    Okay then there is something I'm not understanding about BitD. How does one arrive at results of broken or damaged weapons, sucking chest wounds, minor scratches, and many other interesting and...
  77. For me the system doesn't really matter in the...

    For me the system doesn't really matter in the conversation of more realism. I'm not here advocating for a particular system.
    Perhaps overall, given what you have said about the game, BitD is more...
  78. Okay let's start again. My intention is to...

    Okay let's start again.

    My intention is to find a common thread of understanding between us at base level.
    I view the AC mechanic, where better Dex and Armour, improve one's ability to deflect,...
  79. Pompous tools aside, your stance comes from...

    Pompous tools aside, your stance comes from semantics, when I'm only using the shorthand version of attempting to describe something, which I believe we all understand which term is even used by...
  80. I'm saying that IF it is fair and custom for the...

    I'm saying that IF it is fair and custom for the table that a player may pick up the dice and initiate skill checks without even being asked to roll, as has been advocated by some, then the result...
  81. Why? I think it is more than fair. Do we only...

    Why? I think it is more than fair. Do we only accept rolls that yield high results?
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    With the Night King presumably vanquished the...

    With the Night King presumably vanquished the threat of the long night will be over. The wall becomes unnecessary.
  83. Isn't the shorthand for this realism. Will you be...

    Isn't the shorthand for this realism. Will you be happy with more authentic? more immersive? more RL illusionary? more dramatic? I mean looking for a better description/buzz-word is just playing...
  84. Is D&D more realistic for attempting, however...

    Is D&D more realistic for attempting, however abstract the system is, to include AC as opposed to having every attack be an automatic hit?
    I realise hit points are a mixed bag but I'm not...
  85. But it is not just marketing materials, many...

    But it is not just marketing materials, many gamers use the term more realistic. And we have established that your interest lies in intent/play preferences which had nothing to do with my post and...
  86. Thank you! At least someone is willing to accept...

    Thank you! At least someone is willing to accept the plain word, without requiring people to jump through hoops and thereby allowing the conversation to reach the next plateau.



    Yeah, I don't...
  87. You keep changing the conversation. You...

    You keep changing the conversation. You understand the buzzword of how/why it is used in relation to the the mechanics - whether it is meaningful or even appropriate word was not part of the...
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    Jaime for Kingslayer and Queenslayer. Sansa will...

    Jaime for Kingslayer and Queenslayer.
    Sansa will survive to depose Cersei as per the prophecy.
    I'm expecting Dani will likely be betrayed, perhaps by Jon or Jorah (or maybe Varys - not mentioned by...
  89. Are you saying En5sider's use of the term "more...

    Are you saying En5sider's use of the term "more realistic" in the link I provided is unfamiliar or ambiguous to you?



    Bold emphasis mine. Ignore play preferences / motives for mechanic.
    ...
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    I think your quote bolded by @lowkey13...

    I think your quote bolded by @lowkey13 is quite interesting. I remember some Dungeon articles back in the day provided advice on various methods for GM narration to inspire gothic horror and a sense...
  91. I dunno, T'Pol is all levels of hot :p

    I dunno, T'Pol is all levels of hot :p
  92. I believe the idea is that these additional...

    I believe the idea is that these additional elements (attempting to mirror instances within real life), are to provide a more immersive experience and/or to provide a hardcore form of gaming. At some...
  93. This. I do not like Star Wars, at least the...

    This.
    I do not like Star Wars, at least the representation of that universe on the big screen. I'm very much in the Star Trek camp.

    I think a large part of my disappointment with the show will...
  94. I can only speak for myself here - for me it...

    I can only speak for myself here - for me it depends on the continuity argument. I didn't mind so much with Discovery because I felt that the writers would have had a plan eventually. Personally I...
  95. Hussar I think the posters were blocked from the...

    Hussar I think the posters were blocked from the various threads not from Morrus himself.

    As for GoT, TWD and Battlestar Galactica - they don't have the history of a show like ST with 5 series...
  96. What I find curious is that everyone understands...

    What I find curious is that everyone understands the plain words of "more realism" and accept it on D&D material, whether it be stuff from the DMs Guild or the monthly D&D booklet (forget its name...
  97. I think I figured it out, the writers were too...

    I think I figured it out, the writers were too "story now" focused with "fail forward" challenges, they hadn't done enough prep hence the plot holes and continuity issues. :p
  98. Pike series will be equally crap if they...

    Pike series will be equally crap if they use/borrow Discovery writers or any like them.
  99. Well done @Zardnaar...

    Well done @Zardnaar, yesterday I was so sure SkidAce was gonna take it! :D
    And thanks for the awesome competition CleverNickName.
  100. Agree, this was done in my edit (we were...

    Agree, this was done in my edit (we were cross-posting). :)
    I feel that the Insight skill would work quite well in this - perhaps revealing the difficulty and possible consequences/hurdles should...
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