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  1. I want to point out, Gygax himself caused this...

    I want to point out, Gygax himself caused this confusion about what ‘hit points’ are.

    Gygax had a double standard.

    When it came to PLAYER CHARACTERS the damage was mainly non-physical (except...
  2. I am in the D&D camp that views hit points as...

    I am in the D&D camp that views hit points as both physical and nonphysical (stamina, alertness, skill, luck, etcetera). So, for me,

    ALL DAMAGE IS SUBDUAL DAMAGE

    until the magical number of...
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    Consider the all-important character Advancement...

    Consider the all-important character Advancement table.

    Here are four tiers: Novice, Hero, Master, and Immortal.

    In medieval contexts, these are apprentice/page, journeyer/squire,...
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    Heh. Thats what happens when the kitchen sink...

    Heh. Thats what happens when the kitchen sink overflows.
  5. The Knights Templar are an imperial religious...

    The Knights Templar are an imperial religious order − and very much about certain ruling families. These aristocratic families were also bankers.



    There are commoners who have access to the...
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    I create the following. There are four...

    I create the following.

    There are four ‘styles’:

    divine, void, arcane, and worldly.

    These styles are methods or modes or ways. They correspond roughly to the 4e sources: divine, shadow,...
  7. For my urban campaign, nonlethal combat is key. ...

    For my urban campaign, nonlethal combat is key.

    Defeating opponents without murder, reduces a serious crime to misdemeanor, or even simply a nuisance that the guards dont want to bother themselves...
  8. Status because of wealth, celebrity, and power...

    Status because of wealth, celebrity, and power ... is modern.

    In premodern cultures, it is more important to be *related* to a noble and have a title, than to actually have money.

    Money has...
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    For me personally, Lawful = collectivism...

    For me personally,

    Lawful = collectivism
    Chaotic = individualism

    So, Lawful Good is making an effort for the community as a collective effort to do good things.

    Chaotic Good is making an...
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    I appreciated the point that Charlaquin made in...

    I appreciated the point that Charlaquin made in his post about ‘Chaotic Neutral’ being the ‘truest’ Neutral.

    I interpreted this to mean: Chaotic Neutral: ‘I am going to do what I want, and I...
  11. Social Stratification ≈ Background ≈...

    Social Stratification ≈ Background ≈ Status/Clique
    Social Competitiveness ≈ Persuasion/Intimidation
    Family and Clan are ultra important


    Power in the sense of class level and wealth are...
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    Power Grid − Styles: Divine, Void, Arcane,...

    Power Grid
    − Styles: Divine, Void, Arcane, Worldly
    − Realms: Matter, Life, Mind, Force




    MATTER
    (elemental)
    LIFE
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    Alright. So a nonmagic at-will is called a...

    Alright. So a nonmagic at-will is called a ‘maneuver’. A magic at-will is called a ‘cantrip’.

    So, in the power format, ‘frequency type’ includes Rest, Long Rest, Reaction,

    ... and...
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    Power Source Grid Here is the 4e Power Source...

    Power Source Grid

    Here is the 4e Power Source Grid as a table, to make it easier to tweak if necessary. When it seems stable enough to handle most of the corner cases, we can move it into the...
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    Low light is a pain in the neck to keep track of....

    Low light is a pain in the neck to keep track of. Even when I remember there is low light, I just handwaive it. Any amount of bright light is bright within close range, and dim for a virtually...
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    Here is my first pass at Warlord powers. They are...

    Here is my first pass at Warlord powers. They are intended to balance with 5e, so compare these powers to 5e spells.

    When a class gives the player the choice of a power, the player can choose any...
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    Power Format Power Name // Purpose Level ...

    Power Format



    Power Name // Purpose Level



    Sources, Trope // Action Type • Frequency
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    The clay golem derives from the Bible, where the...

    The clay golem derives from the Bible, where the first human (whose name is ‘Human’, Adam) is shaped out of wet clay − namely a ‘lump’ of ‘dirt’ made moist by a ‘mist’ from the ground. God brought...
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    I tweaked the power sources grid. Note, ‘Morale’...

    I tweaked the power sources grid. Note, ‘Morale’ with ‘Second Wind’, thus by extension Warlord hit-point restoration in the sense of rallying morale.

    Morale organizes as nonmagical ‘Martial’ and...
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    For me, the ONLY difference between Lawful and...

    For me, the ONLY difference between Lawful and Chaotic is ‘collectivism’ versus ‘individualism’, respectively.

    If one thinks in terms of the group, then one tends Lawful. If one thinks in terms of...
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    Seriously, in my eyes, the whole point of a...

    Seriously, in my eyes, the whole point of a ‘boxed set’ is the MAP.

    And an adventure or arc of adventures relating to the MAP.

    For what its worth, I prefer regional settings (that plug-and-play...
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    The Power Sources table above lists ‘healing’ as...

    The Power Sources table above lists ‘healing’ as Primal and Divine.

    However, this refers to actual spontaneous healing following a catastrophic injury when reach zero hit points.

    Warlord...
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    I consider balancing options a high priority. I...

    I consider balancing options a high priority. I appreciate those who think about these carefully.



    ‘Situational’ is ‘less useful’, because it is less frequent, and in that sense ‘weak’.
    ...
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    Wood Elf, and maybe High Elf, deserve Darkvision,...

    Wood Elf, and maybe High Elf, deserve Darkvision, carrying a nocturnal vibe.

    However, Eladrin ‘Sun Elf’ must not have Darkvision, having an aura of light, or a light cantrip, instead.

    Eladrin...
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    My ideal power format looks something like this....

    My ideal power format looks something like this.


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    The title line has the power name (in this case the Fireball spell), the purpose, and the character level.
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    4e Power Sources How do you guys feel about...

    4e Power Sources

    How do you guys feel about the 4e Power Sources table below?

    The table develops from discussions that Wrecan and I had years ago.

    Essentially, the sources are rows and...
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    @Azzy...

    @Azzy, jayoungr

    I updated the original post as follows. Any suggestions?



    Grappling

    Grappling represents wrestling, grabbing, pulling, and pushing.
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    Yeah, I guess. Maybe for the sake of...

    Yeah, I guess.

    Maybe for the sake of simplicity, ANY grappling maneuver can attack or defend via whichever is higher, Dexterity or Strength.

    So, Dexterity can ‘Push’ by means of a judo flip or...
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    I am a big fan of swaps. They are awesome for...

    I am a big fan of swaps. They are awesome for customization and balance.

    If everything is formatted as powers, then it is so easy swap one power for an other.





    If you look at the...
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    I want ultra simple grappling. Is the following...

    I want ultra simple grappling. Is the following feasible enough?



    Grappling

    Grappling represents wrestling, grabbing, pulling, and pushing.

    Always use Dexterity to make a grappling attack...
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    How do you guys feel about everyone getting a...

    How do you guys feel about everyone getting a free feat at level 1? I suppose, a human gains two.

    I love 4e ‘themes’. It seems like Pathfinder2 now has something like this as well.

    A themes are...
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    Ability Bonuses Your ability bonuses define...

    Ability Bonuses

    Your ability bonuses define the things that you tend to be good at. Your aptitudes. For example, a high Strength bonus makes you inherently good at various challenges that need...
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    The 4e source is so flavorful. It is one of my...

    The 4e source is so flavorful. It is one of my favorite aspects of 4e.

    Identifying a class with a certain source works well.



    On the other hand, identifying a class with a role never worked...
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    I overhauled the Ability Bonuses section. This...

    I overhauled the Ability Bonuses section.

    This post archives the earlier content, before the update.


    Your abilities define the things that you tend to be good at. Your aptitudes. For...
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    It is possible that 4e grognards outnumber 4e...

    It is possible that 4e grognards outnumber 4e fixers.

    This is ironic regarding the history of 4e.

    Heh, and the rationale is identical: ‘I own too much [4e] stuff, and therefore refuse to change...
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    The abilities of the 3e gaming system were more...

    The abilities of the 3e gaming system were more systematic and more balanced than the 1e gaming system. I am unfamiliar with 1e clones. But my impression is, these embrace the 3e improvement of the...
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    Zardnaar The 4e defaults to ‘attacker always...

    Zardnaar

    The 4e defaults to ‘attacker always rolls’. Yet it included variant possibilities. For example, ‘players always roll’. In other words, when players attack, they roll against a defense....
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    To reduce to three abilities, would mean using...

    To reduce to three abilities, would mean using Dexterity checks for library research, or alternatively using Intelligence for jumping and grappling.

    Besides, the 4e stat ‘Passive Perception’ is...
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    @Zardnaar...

    @Zardnaar, @DEFCON 1, @Charlaquin

    It is worth having balanced abilities.

    Rather than the eight abilities, it is possible to have four abilities.

    • Strength
    • Dexterity
    • Intelligence
    •...
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    Initiative probably belongs to ‘Sense’, whether...

    Initiative probably belongs to ‘Sense’, whether Sense is part of Wisdom, part of Intelligence, or its own stand-alone ability.

    In any case, Sense is the ability to notice something coming, whence...
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    I am ok with removing damage from finesse...

    I am ok with removing damage from finesse weapons.

    Note, in the eight ability setup:

    Strength − melee attack bonus, melee damage bonus
    Athletics − finesse attack bonus, grappling, Monk flurry...
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    Abilities should be useful regardless of class. ...

    Abilities should be useful regardless of class.

    Lore skills and languages are less satisfactory to make Intelligence worthwhile. Intelligence must include something frequently useful in combat.
    ...
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    We will see how people feel about having 8...

    We will see how people feel about having 8 ability scores. But there are many good reasons to have these 8. They are equally powerful to each other. And salient to describe well various kinds of...
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    The only difference between a ‘defense’ and a...

    The only difference between a ‘defense’ and a ‘save’ is a d20 versus a base 10.

    You can literally call it a ‘Will save’ and then define ‘Will save’ as ‘10 + your Wisdom or Charisma bonus’.
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    Zardnaar I started a new thread as a ‘wiki...

    Zardnaar

    I started a new thread as a ‘wiki thread’ that anybody can edit.

    This allows multiple people to contribute to the clone, so not all of the burden is on one person.

    Have a look at...
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    Math cannot be copyrighted. If you like defenses...

    Math cannot be copyrighted. If you like defenses better, then there is no problem using them. The terms ‘Fortitude’, ‘Reflex’, ‘Will’, and ‘Perception’ are all legally available, regardless of how we...
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    The ability bonuses consolidated to four:...

    The ability bonuses consolidated to four: Strength and Dexterity, Intelligence and Charisma.




    Abilities and defenses are probably the most important mechanics in the entire game. They...
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    Reserved

    Reserved
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    4e Clone − help create it!

    This is an open wiki thread. You can edit this post.

    Contribute to reengineer a ‘4e-style’ gaming system.

    Use available nomenclature from 5e and 3e, or invent a new nomenclature. Avoid...
  50. In 1e, every DM was expected to create their own...

    In 1e, every DM was expected to create their own setting with its own flavor.

    I wish that stayed.
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    @Zardnaar...

    @Zardnaar, I basically like these half-feats.

    The main issues are:

    Flavor-neutral mechanics
    Avoid baking setting flavor into the mechanics. Rely more on ‘flavor text boxes’ for flavor....
  52. This thread contains a poll. Actually, doing them in chunks of 5, eventually...

    Actually, doing them in chunks of 5, eventually covers all of them. For 4esque, Warlord seems ‘core’. And there are 5 sources: Psionic, Arcane, Divine, Primal, and Martial. Maybe treat Bard as...
  53. This thread contains a poll. So far. Warlord Fighter Wizard Rogue,...

    So far.



    Warlord
    Fighter
    Wizard
    Rogue, Cleric

    Druid, Warlock
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    I would go with Rabbi as a background. Rabbis can...

    I would go with Rabbi as a background. Rabbis can be very different from each other. Some Rabbis are scientists (Wizard), some are soldiers (Fighter), some are artists (Bard), some are healers...
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    [coding difficulties]
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    Ars Magica has a book, Kabbalah: Mythic Judaism....

    Ars Magica has a book, Kabbalah: Mythic Judaism. It seems a decent presentation.
  57. Netflix is all kinds of awesome.

    Netflix is all kinds of awesome.
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    Pretty much any clergy is more like a background,...

    Pretty much any clergy is more like a background, being a skill set.

    Knowledge skills (history, religion, arcana as mysticism), social skills (empathy, persuasion, intimidation), magical talents...
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    I love 4e. It is my favorite edition of D&D....

    I love 4e. It is my favorite edition of D&D. ‘Errata’ that I would like to improve include.

    • Make the abilities (Dexterity, Intelligence, etcetera) more salient and more equal in power.

    •...
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    [consolidated into post above]

    [consolidated into post above]
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    For 4e, it helps to think in blocks of four...

    For 4e, it helps to think in blocks of four levels.

    • level 1: class archetype specialization power (at-will, short rest, long-rest)
    • level 2: utility (defend, move, detect), skill (background),...
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    For theater of the mind, it helps to ballpark all...

    For theater of the mind, it helps to ballpark all distances for weapons and spells as:

    ‘melee’ (within 3 feet)
    ‘reach’ (within 10 feet)
    ‘close’ (within 30 feet)

    ‘far’ (beyond 30 feet)
    ‘same...
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    It is necessary to plan ahead carefully. ...

    It is necessary to plan ahead carefully.

    Because mechanics depend on other mechanics, once we build it, it becomes painful or impossible to personalize.

    If we want ability scores to be equally...
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    Maybe the magic bonus and the tier bonus are the...

    Maybe the magic bonus and the tier bonus are the same thing? If using magic bonuses, then treadmill the tier bonus. If without magic bonuses just add the tier bonus directly?

    Novice: +0 magic or...
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    Lets think carefully about bounded accuracy. ...

    Lets think carefully about bounded accuracy.

    At level 1, it is possible to have a total of +0 (average score, nonproficient) or worse.

    At level 1, the highest bonus is +7 (+5 score, +2...
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    In total there are two physical defenses...

    In total there are two physical defenses (Fortitude and Reflex), and two mental defenses (Perception and Will).
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    I think it is fine to ignore Epic tier for now....

    I think it is fine to ignore Epic tier for now. Even ignore Paragon. Just work on Novice (1-4) and Heroic (5-12). Plenty to do. We can add more later once the foundation seems robust.



    I hope...
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    Tony Vargas Maybe Sneak Attack against an...

    Tony Vargas

    Maybe Sneak Attack against an unaware target, targets the Perception defense thus bypasses the Reflex-Armor defense.
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    Tony Vargas Heh, if anything, the lasso...

    Tony Vargas

    Heh, if anything, the lasso targets the Perception defense! Not the Reflex defense. Anyone paying attention can easily render a lasso useless.
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    Lassos might have a ‘special’ attack. − But a...

    Lassos might have a ‘special’ attack. − But a shield would help prevent a lasso. The rest might be better to handwaive.

    But, burning oil is effectively negated by armor. Likewise shield and armor...
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    5e hates to attack attended objects − but...

    5e hates to attack attended objects − but rationally, the magic ray damages the shield or the plate armor, not the person. Or the shield or armor actually reflects or deflects while being only...
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    Regarding hit points. Suppose each race has...

    Regarding hit points.

    Suppose each race has base hit points.

    (Tiny) 4 hit points
    (Small) 6 hit points
    (Medium) 8 hit points
    (Powerful Build) 10 hit points
    (Large) 12 hit points
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    Legal reasons, it is impossible to copyright a...

    Legal reasons, it is impossible to copyright a calculation.

    There is no problem using the Constitution score rather than the accumulating bonuses. The word ‘Constitution’ and ‘score’ are legally...
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    Reflex plus AC is such a redundancy. Moreover I...

    Reflex plus AC is such a redundancy. Moreover I see no need for a ‘touch’ attack, it is simply Reflex.

    For example, shield really does help Reflex in the sense of deflecting an attack and getting...
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    Garthanos and Tony Vargas I really want to...

    Garthanos and Tony Vargas

    I really want to consolidate AC and Reflex.

    So, a sword attacks the Reflex defense. A ray attacks the Reflex defense.

    An armor improves the Reflex defense, if the...
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    I understand what you are saying, but then adding...

    I understand what you are saying, but then adding a tier bonus plus a proficiency bonus strains the already strained bounded accuracy of 5e.
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    Well, 5e is already ‘weird’. 5e tiers break at...

    Well, 5e is already ‘weird’. 5e tiers break at levels 1, 5, 10, and 17. In other words 4/6/6/4.

    The first tier in a 5e→4e system with levels 1 to 4 is natural, because these levels in 5e are...
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    I think everybody here agrees that 4e-style...

    I think everybody here agrees that 4e-style Constitution is superior? So, add the SCORE at level 1, and never additional BONUS hit points. This removes low level fragility, and avoids high level...
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    Personally, I like the ‘just explicitly’ part. ...

    Personally, I like the ‘just explicitly’ part.

    But, I also like how 5e gives the FULL proficiency, to anything one later becomes proficient in. For example, if one is level 13 and gains...
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    Since 4e level 1 doesnt really happen until 5e...

    Since 4e level 1 doesnt really happen until 5e level 5, it seems worthwhile to split up the concept of ‘class’ into separate tiers. In other words, a ‘class’ includes impactful choices, at different...
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    Regarding multiclassing. A discussion with...

    Regarding multiclassing. A discussion with Zardnaar in an other thread helped me be more open to multiclassing, even including limited-level ‘prestige classes’. A 4e ‘Paragon Path’ is exactly a...
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    @Tony Vargas...

    @Tony Vargas, @Zardnaar

    5e long rest grants complete healing PLUS hitdice. What if a long rest only gives hitdice? Thus someone who is fresh (unbloodied) can spend hitdice in the form of...
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    Instead of reducing to four, the ability scores...

    Instead of reducing to four, the ability scores might achieve salience by increasing to eight. Splitting off two incongruencies seems to alleviate some of the main difficulties.

    Here, Athletics...
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    You might be on to something. Different aspects...

    You might be on to something. Different aspects of the game level at different rates. It might be something like you are saying, where some factors are in play, while other factors arent, depending...
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    Actually, something about 5e I would like to fix....

    Actually, something about 5e I would like to fix. Skill math.

    I like bounded accuracy in 5e. It bothers me that skill math drops this astute design principle, for things like skill expertise.
    ...
  86. Thread: Norse World

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    Norse ‘Psionics’ The manipulation of the...

    Norse ‘Psionics’

    The manipulation of the forces of the ‘mind’ is the basis of ALL Norse magic.

    ‘Mind’, Norwegian hug, Old Norse hugr.



    "
    The folk [of Scandinavia] lived close to nature...
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    Personally, I rarely get into ‘pets’, but for...

    Personally, I rarely get into ‘pets’, but for certain Artificer archetypes it seems to work. The artificial mind feels like an appropriate concept but its implementation needs lots of work. The robot...
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    Wizards with more brains than sense, have...

    Wizards with more brains than sense, have moderate Intelligence and high knowledge skills. They more specifically might have low Charisma and poor social skills.

    I havent seen the Avenger in play....
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    I view the skill systems of the later editions,...

    I view the skill systems of the later editions, 3e and 4e, as working better to differentiate the aspects of each ability score.
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    When the two mental ability scores are...

    When the two mental ability scores are Intelligence and Charisma,

    The Cleric is obviously Charisma, the leader of a spiritual community, who can inspire hope, achieve faith healing, socially...
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    The elegance of the core engine affects...

    The elegance of the core engine affects everything. 4e did much to begin the consolidation of the ability scores.

    Two principles guide the assessment of the core engine.

    The ability scores work...
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    Different players have different preferences...

    Different players have different preferences concerning different aspects of the game.

    I care about the elegance of the core engine of the D&D gaming system. Some players care about this too....
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    A main feature D&D 4e, is the semi-reduction of...

    A main feature D&D 4e, is the semi-reduction of the ability scores to three balanced and equally useful ability scores.

    • Strength/Constitution/Fortitude
    • Dexterity/Intelligence/Reflex
    •...
  94. Thread: Norse World

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    Ancestor Reverence " The shamans role as an...

    Ancestor Reverence

    "
    The shamans role as an intermediary between human society and the land is not always obvious. We see the sorcerer called upon to cure an ailing tribesman or locate some...
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    Call the 4 ability scores: • Fortitude •...

    Call the 4 ability scores:

    • Fortitude
    • Reflex
    • Perception
    • Will

    To use the Persuasion skill, add the Will bonus. To improve AC add the Reflex bonus. Making a knowledge check? Add the...
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    Even if so, it takes the most useful mechanics of...

    Even if so, it takes the most useful mechanics of 4e (Perception, Fortitude, Reflex, and Will), and makes them like 5e in using the abilities as the saves.
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    While the goal is to reverse-engineer 4e, the...

    While the goal is to reverse-engineer 4e, the clone is also an opportunity to finetune the system. To improve it for certain sensibilities if there is enough agreement. Here are suggestions that...
  98. Thread: Norse World

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    What is shamanism? " I traveled to Indonesia...

    What is shamanism?

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    I traveled to Indonesia on a research grant to study the relation between magic and medicine, among the sorcerers, Dukuns, of the Indonesian archipelago, and later among the...
  99. Thread: Norse World

    by Yaarel
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    What is animism? " Foremost among the causes...

    What is animism?

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    Foremost among the causes which transfigure into myth the facts of daily experience, is the belief in the animation of all nature, rising at its highest pitch to...
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    @maceochaid...

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    The attitude of the Scandinavian archeologists emerges from fieldwork, as different archeologists assess the evidence at their sites across Scandinavia and other Nordic countries.
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