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    2E God wizard didn't really exist until the...

    2E God wizard didn't really exist until the higher level and still had downside. I lost a lvl 19 one to troll shaman (hold person +hungary troll).

    Clone was a good spell.
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    Idk what they use here, stick needle in jaw numb...

    Idk what they use here, stick needle in jaw numb mouth pay me $180 dollars. Just quicker and easier not to use it. Used to not now.

    Pains about a 2 or 3 on the Zard pain scale. One of my old...
  3. 4 to 8 hours. I can normally recycle and use...

    4 to 8 hours. I can normally recycle and use abbreviations a lot.
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    Haven't seen it stopped using painkillers a few...

    Haven't seen it stopped using painkillers a few years back. Didn't like the side effects and most pain fades quickly.
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    Last one used nothing. Got some nerve damage 5...

    Last one used nothing. Got some nerve damage 5 years ago teeth drilled doesn't do much by comparison. I didn't like the painkillers the doctor gave me so stopped using them.

    When we were kids...
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    I've stopped using it. Prefer the brief pain over...

    I've stopped using it. Prefer the brief pain over fuzzy headed for a bit. Injured myself a few years back and now normal levels of pain don't hurt as much.
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    I go about once a year. They send me it's time...

    I go about once a year. They send me it's time for blah blah blah every so often. Compromise and go twice a year. Over here the excess to claim is more than generic dental work. Anything expensive...
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    Don't look at bless does something very similar...

    Don't look at bless does something very similar doesn't whiff and does saves.
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    In 1993 I iked them, tried rereading them few...

    In 1993 I iked them, tried rereading them few years back. They have not aged well lol.
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    Can't remember very many good ones. Kaz The...

    Can't remember very many good ones. Kaz The Minotaur being one.
  11. Still think a skill based system might be a...

    Still think a skill based system might be a better fit, you wouldn't even need to write your own I think D6 Space/Modern could do it and its free.

    Well it was free its $3 now.
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    CN Han Solo start of ANH.

    CN Han Solo start of ANH.
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    No big surprise. Better than CN.

    No big surprise. Better than CN.
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    I assume it will be 4E or Pathfinder levels of...

    I assume it will be 4E or Pathfinder levels of feats so a human would get a bonus feat.
  15. 4E had plenty of bad feats Tony. Healer is...

    4E had plenty of bad feats Tony.

    Healer is actually in the top 5 most powerful feats.
  16. The settings of 2E, fluff, lore, niche.

    The settings of 2E, fluff, lore, niche.
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    Fighter1/fiendpact XYZ starting as 1st level...

    Fighter1/fiendpact XYZ starting as 1st level fighter for the heavy armor.

    Your spells like hex and armor of agathys are there to buff the fighter part, and the fiend pat temp HP when you kill...
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    I would cap ability scores at 20 a'la 5E.

    I would cap ability scores at 20 a'la 5E.
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    An attempt (5E), I'll have to rename some of this...

    An attempt (5E), I'll have to rename some of this stuff.

    Fighter
    Role: Defender
    Power Source:Martial
    Hit Dice level 1 2d20 (20)+ con modifier
    Hit dice per level, 1d10+ con modifier
    Armor...
  20. Never thought much of Spycraft d20, a few people...

    Never thought much of Spycraft d20, a few people who liked it didnt like the d20 adaption. Local gamestore owner loved it and stocked a lot of it which was bought by no one.

    I assume they will...
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    And at 5 level the barbarian also gets 2 attacks...

    And at 5 level the barbarian also gets 2 attacks and can frenzy for a 3rd.
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    Depends on the clone, a few like OSRIC are fairly...

    Depends on the clone, a few like OSRIC are fairly close to 1E, others like Castles and Crusades look like 3E play like 1E sorta.Some use fot/ref/will, C&C uses 6 saves. The B/X ones and OD&D ones...
  23. Not really they're using the 5E engine and...

    Not really they're using the 5E engine and probably having different skills and new classes to match the 5E genre.

    IDK if the basic idea though (hit point based class game) is actually that good...
  24. The stats were for a P90.

    The stats were for a P90.
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    You know the 3rd attack at low levels is very...

    You know the 3rd attack at low levels is very very good.
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    The main problem with a literal 4E clone is...

    The main problem with a literal 4E clone is actually writing the damn thing its 1000 odd pages.

    That is why on my thread I called it clone using 5E, aim at the concepts rather than the exact 4E...
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    IDK if the HP as attrition mode a'la 3E-5E works...

    IDK if the HP as attrition mode a'la 3E-5E works that well.

    OSR may have sucked but it kind of worked better for a smaller number of encounters and even something basic could be a threat like a...
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    Maybe a 4.5 or alternative 5E. Theres no real...

    Maybe a 4.5 or alternative 5E. Theres no real point actually loning 4E when the PDFs are available and books are cheap and readily available, the rare books you can't clone anyway.
  29. I would treat full auto as an AoE, DC 8+...

    I would treat full auto as an AoE, DC 8+ proficiency bonus+ dex modifer half damage on successful save. Base damage 3d8, burst fire mode -2 to hit 4d8 damage uses 3 shots.

    Zat's maybe make them a...
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    You could get it down to three if you really...

    You could get it down to three if you really wanted IMHO.

    For compatibility/what players expect I would just use the 6. All of the clones, Pathfinder, 13th Age etc all use it and there are lots...
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    I kind of want some of that old school stuff...

    I kind of want some of that old school stuff back, energy drain not so much but maybe inflicting exhaustion levels 5E terms. Its not permanent but you suck getting hit more than once or twice.

    ...
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    With extra ability scores I would have to go...

    With extra ability scores I would have to go through and rewrite a lot of stuff that is compatible. That is not gonna happen lol. My feats would have to be revised as they are for a different game...
  33. People will piggyback on 5E success. New...

    People will piggyback on 5E success.

    New classes, different skills perhaps.

    You can almost play Stargate using the old D6 system or Star Wars Saga.

    Not sure class based hit points would...
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    It's a good ability. Treat it as a daily power. ...

    It's a good ability. Treat it as a daily power.

    Barbarians basically sick anyway imho.
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    I probably wouldn't disagree to much but it's a...

    I probably wouldn't disagree to much but it's a big part of D&D, sacred cow. You can design a different game dumping dailies and probably the u part of AEDU. Might even have a better game but its not...
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    It also makes it harder for anyone else. ...

    It also makes it harder for anyone else.

    Stepb1 is picking an engine/foundation. We're not trying to reinvent the wheel a'la 5E. You're gonna be using powers, you're going to be using Microfeat...
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    Gronks a moron for using frenzy 3 times.

    Gronks a moron for using frenzy 3 times.
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    It means you should be conservative with your...

    It means you should be conservative with your frenzy.

    If someone is a frenzy barbarian and I'm a cleric they might want to take the healer feat as if they want to be a moron and throw away their...
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    That is because 4E and 5E added dex to damage....

    That is because 4E and 5E added dex to damage. Remove that and give dex based stuff extra damage via sneak attack or multiple weaker attacks like the 5E monk or AD&D rate of fire on bows.

    When...
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    The reason intelligence sucks is they don't...

    The reason intelligence sucks is they don't assign anything to it in 5E and theres really only 1 class that can use it.

    Extra languages and skill points are an option perhaps a bonus back ground,...
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    Seems more like you want eple to design your...

    Seems more like you want eple to design your loveletter over 4E. 8 ability scores for example is fairly pointless.
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    8 if you use 5E system;) Thats not a save...

    8 if you use 5E system;)

    Thats not a save though at least like the OSR games and 3E use it. IDK if it would hold up in court. I think some of you may be to hell bent on using things from the 4E...
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    Game mechanics can be though or the expressions...

    Game mechanics can be though or the expressions of them. 4E and SWSE are not OGL, hence the idea of using 3E or 5E to clone them. NADS basically have to be saves, at least if you want to publish and...
  44. So this is King Dragon or Dragon King something...

    So this is King Dragon or Dragon King something like that?
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    The feats were copy and pasted from my homebrew...

    The feats were copy and pasted from my homebrew hence saves. Even in a 4E clone I would use saves over NADs, due to copyright. Some clones also do this and have invented their own save systems or use...
  46. Signed I still have my 2E Mystara boxed sets.

    Signed I still have my 2E Mystara boxed sets.
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    Yeah I ported that one from 5E. Might want to...

    Yeah I ported that one from 5E. Might want to dump it. In 5E I think there are 5 blatantly overpowered feats. Alerts not one of the but in a different context yeah. It's more annoying than outright...
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    Text dump sorry, but here are my feats. Designed...

    Text dump sorry, but here are my feats. Designed for a different game than a 4E clone but the design concepts could be used.

    Actor
    You have advantage on any deception or performance checks made...
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    In my homebrew I have added bonus feats a'la 3.5....

    In my homebrew I have added bonus feats a'la 3.5. But those bonus feats are expert or martial. Fighter gets more martial ones but still gets a few expert ones, Rogue is reversed but gets them at the...
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    The following would be cool for maps. FR...

    The following would be cool for maps.

    FR
    Eberron
    Krynn
    Athas
    Mystara
    Greyhawk

    Covers most of the major worlds. 5 or 10 in a map pack or box makes sense IMHO.
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    Pathfinder 2 execution was off but the concept...

    Pathfinder 2 execution was off but the concept was decent divorcing combat and non combat feats.
  52. I have heard stories like this on other forums....

    I have heard stories like this on other forums. Hard core grognards not only playing 1E and BECMI but the same campaigns from the 80's.
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    Crusades book has Christianity and Islam in it,...

    Crusades book has Christianity and Islam in it, might be worth a look for ideas.
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    My plan would be eliminate all the +1 bonuses...

    My plan would be eliminate all the +1 bonuses with the exception of +1 weapons. The bonuses are a 1d4, advantage or +2.
  55. Most of the time its better to imply it or have...

    Most of the time its better to imply it or have it in the back ground. Its a classic villain thing along with a torture chamber. The key is not to over do it. or do it off camera. Han Solo ESB for...
  56. This thread contains a poll. My main eight for any edition are the big four...

    My main eight for any edition are the big four plus Bard, Druid, Ranger and Paladin. It's also two of each role.
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    2E would my edition of choice for gun pointed at...

    2E would my edition of choice for gun pointed at head and you have to pick one edition for the rest of your life. Basically you won't get bored with all of the settings.
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    Prefer 5E crits. Some form of 4E weapon...

    Prefer 5E crits. Some form of 4E weapon properties should make it in but not gonna bother with the plus 2 and plus 3 parts though.
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    Lost City - 16 D of Desolation 23 Isle of Dred...

    Lost City - 16
    D of Desolation 23
    Isle of Dred same 23
    Castle Amber __ not familiar = -2 19

    Fighting a losing fight here.
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    2E PHB is a bit bland throw in some of the...

    2E PHB is a bit bland throw in some of the handbooks, settings and its very good. Holds up better than 3E these days IMHO.
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    The monsters will be rewritten. Some could be...

    The monsters will be rewritten. Some could be merged I suppose eg use the 5E monster slightly changed with some 4E abilites tacked on.
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    I won't be doing above 21, wasn't planning on...

    I won't be doing above 21, wasn't planning on doing anything but I can do a template and design and people can take it from their if they want to go to level 30 that is on them. Cart before horse...
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    The reason I changed it was because of legal...

    The reason I changed it was because of legal reasons, can't just really copy and paste the PHB. More HP than 4E, less healing surges.
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    I was thiniking of using prestige classes but...

    I was thiniking of using prestige classes but they function as 4E Paragon paths, just a label. No MCing as such. Pretige classes kick in at 8 so level 1-7 is heroic tier, prestige tier 8-14, epic...
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    I was thinking 6 monsters, a few feats, level 1...

    I was thinking 6 monsters, a few feats, level 1 PCs with fix powers as a foundation. I could knock that outin a day.

    Tony Vargas, second wind a'la 5E fighter does scale with level with the +1....
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    How would people think that healing surges gets...

    How would people think that healing surges gets replaced with the fighters second wind ability, the difference being its an action to use it and its HD based so a Warlord would get 1d8+level, a...
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    I wouldn't go out of my way now to get it, but if...

    I wouldn't go out of my way now to get it, but if an established group offers a game sure try it out.
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    A rough attempt. Role: Defender yada yada...

    A rough attempt.
    Role: Defender yada yada
    Defences +2 fortitude
    Hit Points Level 1: 2d10 (20)+ con modifier
    Hit Points per level gained d10+con modifier
    Surges Per day 5+ con modifier (1d10+con...
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    I used the 4E core and combat table as my engine...

    I used the 4E core and combat table as my engine and switched to 5E later.

    The guts of 4E can be used to clone whatever you like, the skill system is a bit wonky though (+14 or +15lvl 1).
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    Lost City - 24 Desert of Desolation = 32 +1 = 33...

    Lost City - 24
    Desert of Desolation = 32 +1 = 33
    Isle of Dread - 20
    Castle Amber - 24
    Red Hand of Doom 2 Finish him
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    Bonus wp, nwp plus one to ability score if their...

    Bonus wp, nwp plus one to ability score if their choice.
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    2E also had builds for smart fighters. Optional...

    2E also had builds for smart fighters. Optional rule for NWP warriors could turn them into WPs.

    5E int=dumpstat, even in B/X you got extra languages iirc.
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    The Lost City - 23 Found it Desert of...

    The Lost City - 23 Found it
    Desert of Desolation = 32
    Isle of Dread - 21
    Castle Amber - 24
    Red Hand of Doom - 13 Not AD&D or B/X
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    Campaign setting and player spalt. Midgard World...

    Campaign setting and player spalt. Midgard World book and the players guide are worth getting.
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    My idea of a clone is to stay reasonably faithful...

    My idea of a clone is to stay reasonably faithful to 4E, maybe shaving of 10 levels and lowering paragon and epic tier, changing things like NADs due to copyright, powers might be reworded etc but...
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    Easiest might be to make it an action. A TWF...

    Easiest might be to make it an action. A TWF using hex or hunters mark starts looking better.

    Feat support as well, -5/+10 warps things but maybe an extra attack if both attacks connect.

    I...
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    I sometimes grant a bonus feat at level 1...

    I sometimes grant a bonus feat at level 1 excluding the obvious power ones.
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    Moon blade or moon light sword. It's basically a...

    Moon blade or moon light sword. It's basically a torch but it's a magic sword.
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    Xanathars has a common magic sword for 50gp. ...

    Xanathars has a common magic sword for 50gp.

    The rules basically don't work/matter. More than a few classes can get magic damage via spell or ability.
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    Over reaction there Tony. OP I like your setup. ...

    Over reaction there Tony. OP I like your setup.

    I would recommend you have a small list of NPCs that matter 6 to 12, just a sentence, goals motivation etc.

    Each race could have a faction...
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    Reminds me of the old real men, loonies,...

    Reminds me of the old real men, loonies, munchkins joke and what weapons they use. Real men use loonies.
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    The Lost City - 25 Desert of Desolation - 26...

    The Lost City - 25
    Desert of Desolation - 26
    Isle of Dread - 27
    Castle Amber - 23
    Red Hand of Doom - 21
    Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth - 12

    Getting a lot harder now.
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    Yeah thats what I thought if the players are into...

    Yeah thats what I thought if the players are into ye olde army its good. Noticed that in Kingmaker, not all the players cared about the kingdom side of things. Any stories running this adventure?
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    The Lost City - 24 Desert of Desolation 28 ...

    The Lost City - 24
    Desert of Desolation 28
    Test of the Warlords 5
    Isle of Dread - 25
    Castle Amber - 24 -2
    Red Hand of Doom - 21
    Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth - 12
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    Test of the Warlords- A Retrospective

    I thought I would start this thread to look at an adventure I suspect most people would not be familiar with.

    https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17114/CM1-Test-of-the-Warlords-Basic

    Its a...
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    The crap 4E adventures are a side product of the...

    The crap 4E adventures are a side product of the rules. The good adventure writers have been doing it for a while. Hell most of the 5E people were around in AD&D, same thing for Pathfinder.

    A...
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    Hey the other D&D's don't have good higher level...

    Hey the other D&D's don't have good higher level adventures either although a few are good level 10 to 14.

    We did archmage campaign 2E it was stupid but we had fun. My level 19 wizzie flunked a...
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    Main reason is I have tried writing my own D&D....

    Main reason is I have tried writing my own D&D. It's a lot of work, I have 5 classes, 50 feats and 50 odd monsters and I'm not happy with 2/5 of those classes.

    They had what 5 authors for 4E. It...
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    Or more likely you're one of the 10%. I played 2E...

    Or more likely you're one of the 10%. I played 2E to level 19, 3E to 30. I'm under no illusion that's expected/popular.

    High level has issues including 4E. 4E just had different problems instead...
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    Well as I said 90% of games do not get to level...

    Well as I said 90% of games do not get to level 11.

    In OSR games it takes a while to get to level 11. In modern times it's more likely due to RL stuff.

    High level stuff doesn't tend to sell....
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    It's like you actively want to kill a 4E clone...

    It's like you actively want to kill a 4E clone lol.

    OSR clones are not that authentic, they focus on playstyle.

    People realistically are not going to get to epic level. Even if a clone...
  92. Or they might not have reactions in a video game...

    Or they might not have reactions in a video game port.
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    The Lost City - 25 Desert of Desolation 26 Test...

    The Lost City - 25
    Desert of Desolation 26
    Test of the Warlords 12
    Isle of Dread - 23
    Castle Amber - 26
    Red Hand of Doom - 21
    Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth - 13

    B4 4 lyfe.
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    This thread contains a poll. I would assume you have a smite button on cool...

    I would assume you have a smite button on cool down or penalty to hit if it's at will.

    Translations to video games don't have to be 100%.

    Eye of the Beholder was easily based on 2E but I...
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    This thread contains a poll. Those elements wouldn't translate well but you...

    Those elements wouldn't translate well but you don't need them to have a 4E type game.

    I would expect a truncated power list with perhaps limited options to pick powers. Hell they could even have...
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    Yep the 2E thief handbook a overed this. All...

    Yep the 2E thief handbook a overed this. All thief party each a specialist doing Oceans Eleven type adventures.

    It's really hard to nail down the definitive 2E experience. We used the 4 main...
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    This thread contains a poll. Played the 90s XCom and the first of the new...

    Played the 90s XCom and the first of the new ones. Another example of something that could be done for a 4E type game.

    These type of games tend to be niche but they can be done.

    Shining Force...
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    We used weapon speeds and yeah longswords were...

    We used weapon speeds and yeah longswords were popular but daggers, darts, shortswords, bastard swords, mace's and spears were used.
  99. D&D games are usually scaled down from the PHB. ...

    D&D games are usually scaled down from the PHB.

    This is mostly so you have a game to play. For example you can't scry, teleport in 2E games. Or you can only play one character in a story game....
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    2E doesn't have gender based maximums. People...

    2E doesn't have gender based maximums. People throw shade at 2E via lumping things in from 1E.

    2E isn't perfect, I don't expect everyone to like it but yeah it is different to 1E.
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