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    Damn you, take your +1, and get that song out of...

    Damn you, take your +1, and get that song out of my head.
  2. Naw. Real D&D playerz (tm) come in hard. ...

    Naw. Real D&D playerz (tm) come in hard.

    https://i.imgur.com/x3jFTW3.gif

    Mercy is a French word of thanks, not something you extend to UA-lovers.
  3. The polearms were pretty cool. Useless, but cool,...

    The polearms were pretty cool. Useless, but cool, in the best High-Gygaxian fashion.

    You know what else is better than the unarmed combat rules in the 1e DMG? A root canal. That's right- because...
  4. You're not a lying liar- you're just a...

    You're not a lying liar- you're just a dilettante!

    That's right- poser. Real D&D playerz (tm) got UA when it came out, only to see it reverse-M&M (melt in our hands).

    I have heard reports of...
  5. That's because the Monster Manual says that "[t]o...

    That's because the Monster Manual says that "[t]o kill a troll, the monster must be burned or immersed in acid, any separate pieces being treated in the same fashion or they create a whole again in...
  6. You are so much nicer than I am. When I saw...

    You are so much nicer than I am.

    When I saw someone with a copy of UA under their arm, I wouldn't roll my eyes. I would punch that dirty Paladin-lover square in the face.

    There are some things...
  7. Actually, I'll go further, by analogy. Imagine...

    Actually, I'll go further, by analogy.

    Imagine 1e was Dexter. You know, the TV Show.

    So the original books (MM, PHB, DMG, D&D, FF) were the first two seasons of Dexter.

    Monster Manual 2 was...
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    I got nothing! The closest I get when I look...

    I got nothing!

    The closest I get when I look around is that it was an Arneson class, and that Kask tried to "sage" it (make in an NPC), but was "overruled" (don't know by whom).

    BUT ... I can't...
  9. Oh, jeez. I didn't want to. I mean ... I read...

    Oh, jeez. I didn't want to. I mean ... I read what Enevhar Aldarion wrote, and I was like ... why?

    Why add to the list? Isn't the hatred of UA, much like the anitpathy toward Paladins, something...
  10. I'm just quoting this, because it brought me joy....

    I'm just quoting this, because it brought me joy. ;)
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    Counterpoint- The only ACTOR who could play...

    Counterpoint-

    The only ACTOR who could play Keanu Reeves is Nic Cage.

    You're welcome!
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    Yep. I don't begrudge anyone their like (or...

    Yep.

    I don't begrudge anyone their like (or love) of the Ranger, or their various permutations* over the years, it's just not my scene, and I have difficulty holding on to the essence of...
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    So .... the bolded part is, fundamentally, why I...

    So .... the bolded part is, fundamentally, why I don't much like the Ranger. Not hate, as in Paladin, more like ... why?

    Look, we have the ol' original Ranger, Aragorn (OD&D via periodical, 1e). ...
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    BAM! This is why I love this place. Seriously,...

    BAM!

    This is why I love this place. Seriously, I'm like, "It was 2000, and it was an anime ..."

    And you're all like, "Escaflowne."

    I swear, the people here .... y'all are the best. :)
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    Is Pathfinder 2 the 2016 Ghostbusters Reboot, or...

    Is Pathfinder 2 the 2016 Ghostbusters Reboot, or is the original Pathfinder more of a colonialist narrative, like the original Star Wars trilogy?

    Discuss!
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    Counterpoint- Moldvay/Cook B/X is the best D&D...

    Counterpoint-

    Moldvay/Cook B/X is the best D&D for simplistic, fun, not-much-effort D&D.
  17. Wait a day. I guarantee you that there will be...

    Wait a day. I guarantee you that there will be sillier arguments ....


    (looking .... sees "Is PF2 Paizo's 4e" ....)

    Never mind. You didn't have to wait.
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    Oh, wait ... Is Pathfinder 2 Paizo's attempt...

    Oh, wait ...

    Is Pathfinder 2 Paizo's attempt to de-Snyder PF?

    I want the Snyder cut of PF2!
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    Is Rey Disney's attempt to create the Warlord...

    Is Rey Disney's attempt to create the Warlord class within Star Wars?
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    This belongs in the pure, unadultered, AWESOME...

    This belongs in the pure, unadultered, AWESOME forums.

    Ima get my asbestos suit and my popcorn ready, because I can't imagine a better firestarter. ;)
  21. But that's not what the rules state. Let's...

    But that's not what the rules state.

    Let's start with the origin, which so many people ignore. EW, p. 2.

    "Druids are able to employ the following sorts of weapons: Daggers, sickle or...
  22. No, as already gone through, all of us understood...

    No, as already gone through, all of us understood the rule perfectly well- Druids don't wear metal armor.



    So your experience is the same as all of the other dumb olds. Good. I mean- that's why...
  23. FYI- uh, what? I posted another thread seeking...

    FYI- uh, what?

    I posted another thread seeking input from the olds who had played in the 70s and 80s, and not a single one of us stupid olds who don't understand rules agrees with you.

    I mean,...
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    While I don't agree with your hypothesis in...

    While I don't agree with your hypothesis in general (as much as I enjoy it), I do agree that the smugness capacity of Paladins is unaccountably infinite.




    Some of just like to watch the...
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    So, anyone have ideas on the Assassin?

    So, anyone have ideas on the Assassin?
  26. Alchemy Jug 21 Bag of Holding 22 Bag of Tricks...

    Alchemy Jug 21
    Bag of Holding 22
    Bag of Tricks 24
    Broom of Flying 20
    Carpet of Flying 21

    That's not my bag, baby!
  27. Iím saying that I remember a certain other...

    Iím saying that I remember a certain other interminable thread about druids and rules; perhaps featuring more disintegration.

    And this seems as fruitful, albeit with the added bonus of someone...
  28. You do you. You canít cure .... um, wrong.

    You do you. You canít cure .... um, wrong.
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    The capacity for hatred is infinite. in the...

    The capacity for hatred is infinite.

    in the long run, the arc of history bends toward antipathy.
  30. It's weird, isn't it, that someone can say that...

    It's weird, isn't it, that someone can say that the people who actually experienced something had no idea what they were doing.

    So ... I guess I have to go with gaslighting at this point?...
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    ONE FILM IS NOT ENOUGH FOR KEANU!

    ONE FILM IS NOT ENOUGH FOR KEANU!
  32. Because sometimes, I suck at posting. :)

    Because sometimes, I suck at posting. :)
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    Good. I don't want them banned. I want them...

    Good. I don't want them banned.

    I want them dead.

    Terminated. With extreme prejudice.
  34. Well, the thing is, it's a lot closer to all the...

    Well, the thing is, it's a lot closer to all the other "lore" rules in OD&D/1e.

    Why can't monks use flaming oil?
    Why can't clerics use edged weapons?
    Why do Druids use scimitars?????

    Why do...
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    Oh .... yeah. Hmmmm.... I'm not old- it's just...

    Oh .... yeah. Hmmmm....

    I'm not old- it's just the new stuff that sucks, right?

    Right?

    ...


    Get off my lawn!
  36. I very much would like that card!

    I very much would like that card!
  37. So, again, without prying, I think at least part...

    So, again, without prying, I think at least part (but not all) of the divide is when you were exposed to the rules.

    I did a separate thread checking other people and their experience with "lore"...
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    Sure. First-hand account, third party account? I...

    Sure. First-hand account, third party account? I mean, I know that Gygax was a huge fan of Fritz, and we have the Nehwon mythos and all that (not to mention Appendix N, references in other books, and...
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    Gah. I was actually looking at p.4 when I wrote...

    Gah. I was actually looking at p.4 when I wrote that, and so you can imagine where that error came from!




    No- always looking for some.

    BUT ... that's only part of it. As I explain lower-
  40. What you describe as "DM Fiat" is what I would...

    What you describe as "DM Fiat" is what I would say is "A Player Following the Rules."

    And not only is there a printed rule in actual rulebooks, but there is a further explanation that this is the...
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    Well, let's look at this from the standpoint of...

    Well, let's look at this from the standpoint of where it was introduced, right? HISTORY!

    So we have the OD&D Thief.

    p.4 Might and Magic- here, we see the ability to read languages and read...
  42. Let's be quite clear. If you want to wear...

    Let's be quite clear.

    If you want to wear metal armor, under RAW or RAI, as a Druid, you need to get permission from the DM. Period.

    There is no reasonable dispute about that.

    Now, if you...
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    There are no Paladins. As is well know, and...

    There are no Paladins.

    As is well know, and cannot be reasonably disputed, Gygax began to insert "Paladin" into his books as a test- much like makers of atlases and maps would insert fake towns to...
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    Actually, yeah. It's not that I disagree with you...

    Actually, yeah. It's not that I disagree with you necessarily, it's that I don't know that I've ever seen it.

    I mean, for the Thief, we have the Aero Games evidence (which is pretty strong).
    ...
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    I love the Lieber, but I have some trouble...

    I love the Lieber, but I have some trouble tracking down specific Mouser references!

    AFAICT, it's mostly the Aero Games model, with some Zelazny (Jack of Shadows / Shadowjack) and Vance (Cugel the...
  46. Just pointing out the following things- (1)...

    Just pointing out the following things-

    (1) Apparently, it doesn't matter what anyone says. AL or otherwise.

    (2) As has been repeatedly pointed out to you, following is the relevant text from...
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    So, my understanding on this one is that you...

    So, my understanding on this one is that you started with Sir Fang (the Vampire) in the Blackmoor / Arneson campaign

    And from that, you need to balance this uber-powerful Vampire. So you get a a...
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    Bonus fun fact! The Sage was supposed to a PC...

    Bonus fun fact!

    The Sage was supposed to a PC class in the Blackmoor supplement (OD&D). Instead, we have a long and detailed sage NPC specialist (pp. 50-51).

    WHY?

    Arneson had a Sage Class,...
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    Dunno- I'm hoping I can learn something. ...

    Dunno- I'm hoping I can learn something.

    ESPECIALLY about the Assassin. It wasn't until I put up the list like this that I realized the mystery that is the Assassin.

    Art imitating life...
  50. Maybe the monk & oil example wasn't the best one...

    Maybe the monk & oil example wasn't the best one to use for the three!

    Man, no love for the Kung Fu fighter! ;)
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    Wait- you're for it? I'm against it. What...

    Wait- you're for it?

    I'm against it.

    What are we talking about?
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    Well, just like there's a fine line between...

    Well, just like there's a fine line between clever and stupid, there can be a fine line between awesome and creepy.

    A fair amount of anime crosses that line for me.




    Well, I'm 13 episodes...
  53. Alchemy Jug 26 Bag of Holding 22 Bag of Tricks...

    Alchemy Jug 26
    Bag of Holding 22
    Bag of Tricks 26
    Broom of Flying 21
    Carpet of Flying 22

    My nemesis.
  54. None of that was quite as weird as the tangent on...

    None of that was quite as weird as the tangent on RAILROADING ... but that was so bizarre that I couldn't even.

    Player: I want to play a Wizard.

    DM: Great!

    Player: And my spellcasting stat...
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    On the Origins of Classes (1e, OD&D)

    Hola!

    So, one of the things I like to look into is the history of the game. And I'm always curious about the current state of research and/or received wisdom about the classes in D&D- where they...
  56. Yeah, I don't know that I've ever seen the origin...

    Yeah, I don't know that I've ever seen the origin of that one; it's so weird and hyper-specific it has to come from somewhere. Maybe from an episode of Kung Fu in the 70s?
  57. Yeah, it is a typo! DOH! Corrected.

    Yeah, it is a typo!

    DOH!

    Corrected.
  58. You are incorrect on this. I already went through...

    You are incorrect on this. I already went through this for the PHB.

    As I am guessing you missed this, I will repeat my prior post-





    So, how do we know this? Let's read the rules in pari...
  59. Really? It would appear that you donít understand...

    Really? It would appear that you donít understand the argument made by anyone else. I mean- how many posts, and you still donít seem to grok that people donít agree with you.

    That said, if youíre...
  60. Citation please. So, are you saying that you...

    Citation please.

    So, are you saying that you played at the time, but you played the wrong way?

    Or ...maybe not?

    PS- Given I know my experience, but love to know other people's, I started a...
  61. [1e and OD&D] How did you handle Druids and Armor? Clerics and Edge Weapons?

    So, a different thread about druids and metallic armor in 5e has repeatedly referenced the way Druids were in OD&D / 1e, and how there wasn't really a rule about classes and so on so forth.
    ...
  62. By the way, the actual Gygaxian method of...

    By the way, the actual Gygaxian method of handling the Plate-wearing druid, or the two-handed sword-weilding cleric, is DMG p. 110. Here-

    Some players will find more enjoyment in spoiling a game...
  63. You are just making stuff up now. I assume...

    You are just making stuff up now.

    I assume you played OD&D and 1e, correct?

    So you understand that while people played in all sorts of different ways, the mindset was completely different back...
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    Random Anime Announcement!

    So, if you haven't noticed, thought I'd share-

    Neon Genesis Evangelion is out on Netflix.

    It wasn't previously available.

    If you aren't familiar with it, then, well, you probably aren't too...
  65. No. What you mean is the Weapon Proficiency...

    No.

    What you mean is the Weapon Proficiency Table on p. 36. So go through this, assuming some knowledge of 1e:

    Let's use the Druid as an example:

    You start with a number of proficiencies,...
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    I hear what you're saying, and I understand your...

    I hear what you're saying, and I understand your point; that said, you should consider the following two issues in tandem:

    1. When you say you are "anti-elitism" (as opposed to...
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    Well, maybe. But notice how you and others...

    Well, maybe.

    But notice how you and others describe the "not your style."

    Previously, it was described as funny voices.

    Now, it's-
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    Alchemy Jug 28
    Bag of Holding 30
    Bag of Tricks 25
    Broom of Flying 23
    Carpet of Flying 24
    Cube of Force 2


    It's bigger on the inside is a line from Dr. Who, not a great magic item.
  69. So, there's this. And also, this- Paul...

    So, there's this.

    And also, this-

    Paul Farquhar


    Let's examine the history a little, first.

    Druids are probably the most poorly-understood class in terms of history. Let's start with...
  70. Completely agree. Well ... mostly agree. I...

    Completely agree.

    Well ... mostly agree. I think that, like a lot of Sage Advice, it's poorly considered. Even the Sage Advice in the compendium which tends to be less stupid than most SA.

    I...
  71. Alchemy Jug 28 Bag of Holding 29 Bag of Tricks...

    Alchemy Jug 28
    Bag of Holding 29
    Bag of Tricks 27
    Broom of Flying 26
    Carpet of Flying 28
    Cube of Force 18
    Cubic Gate 15

    CORRECTED
  72. Post #229 Alchemy Jug 29 Bag of Holding 30...

    Post #229

    Alchemy Jug 29
    Bag of Holding 30
    Bag of Tricks 27
    Broom of Flying 26
    Carpet of Flying 28
    Cube of Force 20​
    Cubic Gate 13
  73. Are you every curious why people may not view...

    Are you every curious why people may not view your analysis of rules as overly credible?

    So, let's just review this.

    Here is EXACTLY what I wrote that you quoted:

    "2. Sage advice is just...
  74. 1. The rules do say that. Period. 2. Sage...

    1. The rules do say that. Period.

    2. Sage advice is just RAI. So best case scenario, you're still wrong. And you're not reading the RAI correctly (which says you have to ask the DM, just like any...
  75. Let's see- Druid:Class Features:Proficiencies:...

    Let's see-
    Druid:Class Features:Proficiencies:
    "Armor: Light armor, medium armor, shields (druids willnot wear armor or use shields made of metal)"

    P. 65, PHB

    Seem like a not rule to me!
    ...
  76. Fair enough. Talk to the DM about your 'shroom...

    Fair enough. Talk to the DM about your 'shroom dude. :)


    (By the way, the whole lore/mechanics thing? That was kinda sorta the joke from the first post on, when the OP said that this NEVER EVER...
  77. Not to be too obvious, but: Why is it that...

    Not to be too obvious, but:

    Why is it that there are, largely, two groups of people in this debate.

    The first sees the druid restriction, understands it for what it is, and are like, "Okay,...
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    Oof. I remember liking Piers Anthony when I was...

    Oof. I remember liking Piers Anthony when I was younger and didn't know better. Except Xanth. Even in my youth, that was too stupid for me to read. But the first few books of Incarnations of...
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    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NaivePoliteComet-size_re...

    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NaivePoliteComet-size_restricted.gif

    Woah ... I know creole.
  80. There are two types of people in this world: ...

    There are two types of people in this world:

    (1) People that play Paladins;
    (2) people that do not rage, rage against the dying of the smite; and
    (3) the innumerate.
  81. By RAW they are not, however, Druids. So, they...

    By RAW they are not, however, Druids. So, they can't.


    Let's see how silly this semantic game can be with rules lawyers. C'mon, it's fun for the whole table!


    It says that a Knight's retainer...
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    So, I won't comment on your other thread (so as...

    So, I won't comment on your other thread (so as not to derail it), but I would note the following as general comments:

    1. While I have not played the game, I have read Vance extensively, including...
  83. Alchemy Jug 28 Bag of Holding 25 Bag of Tricks...

    Alchemy Jug 28
    Bag of Holding 25
    Bag of Tricks 29
    Broom of Flying 27
    Carpet of Flying 27
    Crystal Ball 4
    Cube of Force 19
    Cubic Gate 19

    I WILL FIGHT AGAINST THE TYRANNY OF HOLDING!
  84. So, I know some of us (me, at least) are having...

    So, I know some of us (me, at least) are having some fun. But, to be serious for a second-

    A lot of this will depend on communication and presentation. There are very few DMs that I know that...
  85. I recommend adding a third rule. List of...

    I recommend adding a third rule.

    List of Grievances > /dev/null
  86. I just make it easy on players. Player: "I...

    I just make it easy on players.

    Player: "I wanna play a druid."

    DM: "Ok."

    Player: "I wanna play a druid that can wear plate."

    DM: "Um, no?"
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    You ever play those old video games? You know,...

    You ever play those old video games? You know, when you score so high, it goes all the way back to 0 again?

    It's like that. Some things are so bad, it loops all the way around to be being awesome.
  88. "You know that cereal? Grapenuts? .... so, about...

    "You know that cereal? Grapenuts? .... so, about the casting of Stoneskin ...."
  89. With a real druid, you're lucky if they even wear...

    With a real druid, you're lucky if they even wear clothes.

    "Radagast! Put the sack back on. We don't need to see your shillelagh and goodberries."
  90. Woah, now! If someone is going to harangue me...

    Woah, now!

    If someone is going to harangue me over my choices, I at least want them to have the courage of their convictions.*

    I don't want someone moaning about my yummy al pastor taco if...
  91. I think you're missing the joke? The first 25...

    I think you're missing the joke?

    The first 25 years was OD&D, AD&D, B/X, BECMI, and 2e.

    I think your opinion of those editions ... is probably a little different than those of just about...
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    :) You need to cultivate a better taste for...

    :)

    You need to cultivate a better taste for terrible things.
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    You're tearing me apart, Umbran! I, too, enjoy...

    You're tearing me apart, Umbran! I, too, enjoy The Room.

    Oh, hi cmad1977 !
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    Also? Three shows without laughtracks. ...

    Also?

    Three shows without laughtracks.

    Coincidence? Nope.


    PS- Also, not fair to name three of the best sitcoms of the last few years. Throw in Arrested Development & Peep Show and you've...
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    I coulda taken an acting class. I coulda been an...

    I coulda taken an acting class. I coulda been an actah. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it.
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    Well, I mean, look .... if Marvel can make...

    Well, I mean, look .... if Marvel can make Guardians of the Galaxy work and be a hit, I wouldn't put anything past them. Why not Squirrel Girl?

    But the particular dynamics and powers of the FF are...
  97. Sounds like a labradoodle,* except twice an...

    Sounds like a labradoodle,* except twice an annoying and five times as needy.

    A Paladruid, though, is usually known by a more common name- the Evangelizing Vegan.

    /ducks


    *EDIT- Bonus cool...
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    Um, I think I commented earlier (Living Steel),...

    Um, I think I commented earlier (Living Steel), but I remembered another one-

    Cyborg Commando.

    IIRC, it had all the worst aspects of late-period Gygaxian (tables, rules that didn't make sense,...
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    (He was already moderated)

    (He was already moderated)
  100. ...."morally abhorrent." BWAH! I need to...

    ...."morally abhorrent."

    BWAH!

    I need to have this thread mainlained straight into my veins.


    "So, I don't let druids wear metal armor."

    "WHAT ARE YOU, A BABY KILLER???!!!!!???"
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