WotC's Mike Mearls has hinted that we may be able to expect some psionics content soon, possibly in the Unearthed Arcana column. He was asked by Ethan Clow on the Twitterweb "any chance we might see a Psionic class for 5e soon? Perhaps in unearthed arcana?" to which he replied "wouldn't be surprised. I *might* have had a couple prior edition psionics books on my desk last week..." (Thanks to Wolf Hunter for the scoop).
Psionics Coming Soon To D&D?
WotC's Mike Mearls has hinted that we may be able to expect some psionics content soon, possibly in the Unearthed Arcana column. He was asked by Ethan Clow on the Twitterweb "any chance we might see a Psionic class for 5e soon? Perhaps in unearthed arcana?" to which he replied "wouldn't be surprised. I *might* have had a couple prior edition psionics books on my desk last week..." (Thanks to Wolf Hunter for the scoop).
TerraDave
5ever, or until 2024
Way back when, they had a psion they where working on. It was mentioned. Way back in the early next days.
Would make sense as part of a Dark Sun UA article. That would have some interesting implications in terms of races, and equipment, and defiling.
I am sure we will see it some day.
EDIT: I think he hinted UA. BUT, in case we somehow need to be reminded, the other way it comes out is they do some DS related story, and this is the bonus material.
Would make sense as part of a Dark Sun UA article. That would have some interesting implications in terms of races, and equipment, and defiling.
I am sure we will see it some day.
EDIT: I think he hinted UA. BUT, in case we somehow need to be reminded, the other way it comes out is they do some DS related story, and this is the bonus material.
On topic: Cool! I love psionics!
Not on topic: Is there any community like the RPG tabletop one, where people dig in their heels as much as extreme pessimists and extreme optimists? It is often quite startling to read the comments in these threads. Nerdrage vs. Nerdlove.Nerd are passionate people it seems. (Is "nerd" a dirty or a cool word at this point in time? I haven't kept up?) EDIT: Not necessarily in this thread, but a few of the responses above got me thinking about it.
For your second question...
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Acr0ssTh3P0nd
First Post
Holy sheet, what if psionics are just part of a Dark Sun UA that they've been cranking out because of Mad Max?
WHAT IF, THIS JUNE, WE GET OUR FIRST TASTE OF DARK SUN?
Great now Im all hyped over pure speculation.
figure mostly re-print conversion for 5E
Parmandur
Book-Friend
BoldItalic
First Post
As 5e is a rules-lite minimalist edition, I wouldn't expect psionics to be done with a whole slew of new classes and spell-like-but-differently-fluffed powers. All it actually needs is a single feat, analogous to Magic Initiate. Like this:
Psionic
You have awesome powers, beyond ordinary mortals, that almost defy description. Choose a cantrip from any spell list. You know this cantrip and can cast it on your turn as a bonus action without VSM components. If the cantrip has an effect that depends on level, your total character level applies. In addition, choose one first-level spell from any spell list. You know that spell and can cast it once per long rest without needing VSM components. You cast it at a spell level equal to half your character level rounded down (minimum 1st, maximum 9th level). Your spellcasting ability for these spells and cantrips is Constitution.
Something like that. Easy to add, easy to learn, easy to understand, doesn't need any new mechanics but will significantly change the way you build and play your character. Ready for playtesting. Is it overpowered? Is it interesting enough? Does it break anything? Let's find out.
Psionic
You have awesome powers, beyond ordinary mortals, that almost defy description. Choose a cantrip from any spell list. You know this cantrip and can cast it on your turn as a bonus action without VSM components. If the cantrip has an effect that depends on level, your total character level applies. In addition, choose one first-level spell from any spell list. You know that spell and can cast it once per long rest without needing VSM components. You cast it at a spell level equal to half your character level rounded down (minimum 1st, maximum 9th level). Your spellcasting ability for these spells and cantrips is Constitution.
Something like that. Easy to add, easy to learn, easy to understand, doesn't need any new mechanics but will significantly change the way you build and play your character. Ready for playtesting. Is it overpowered? Is it interesting enough? Does it break anything? Let's find out.
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Scrivener of Doom
Adventurer
There is a joke about politics in academic circles that goes something like:
Q: Why are academic politics so vicious?
A: Because the stakes are so low.
Clearly that applies to RPGs even more.
Yaarel
He Mage
Here is my hope for D&D Psionics. Every aspect in the following list is important to me.
• Psionics must be the inherent power of ones own mind. Mind-over-matter.
• Psionic options offer psionic feats, the Psion as a base class, and psionic subclasses for psionic versions of other classes.
• Psionics can be part of a Modern campaign setting guide.
MIND-OVER-MATTER FLAVOR
Most important of all: The flavor of psionics is mind-over-matter only.
No external power sources. No gods, no magic weave, no material components, no gp costs, no implements, no crystals, no ghosts, no Lovecraftian Far Realms taintedness, nothing except the power inherent in ones own mind.
All magic is magic, whether arcane, divine, ki, psionic, or the ‘magic’ of sci-fi future technology. Transparency is necessary for gaming balance and usability. The D&D psionic traditions never mainstreamed because of wildly imbalanced mechanics. There might be ways to distinguish power sources from each other mechanically in ways that make sense and seem balanced. But the difference between arcane and psionic is no greater than the difference between arcane and divine.
Psychic powers generally use Charisma and Wisdom. Charisma in the sense of mental force imposes ones will on people and objects in the world around. Wisdom holistically intuits aspects of the world. Intelligence seems the least useful mental ability for Psionics. But Psionic Wizard subclasses (see below) can utilize Intelligence to ‘understand’ and ‘calculate’ the material aspects of mind-over-matter.
Psionic magic items can exist, but they are objects that psychic individuals have imbued with their mind force by personal use and attachment. Psionic items might happen intentionally or unintentionally. Psionic items cannot be purchased or sold, because the ability to use them depends on the mindful permission of the imbuer.
Communities of psychic individuals can vaguely share powers via mindlinks, but this external source never becomes impersonal, and one oneself is always intimately part of this mind sharing. Psionic flavor is mind over matter, always.
PSIONIC FEATS AND CANTRIPS (1e-ESQUE)
Make cool feats available for any player character to take, regardless of race or class. Where 1e made Psionic powers a random chance, 5e can make Psionic powers available but in a balance way, by requiring players spend a feat to acquire psychic powers. The feat conveys the need to train and hone ones mental abilities. Similarly, make atwill Psionic cantrips available to any character that uses cantrips, including spontaneous Telekinesis (resembling Mage Hand but augmentable with spell slots), and Telepathy.
Make all feats and cantrips able to improve while leveling.
PSION CLASS (2e-ESQUE PSIONICIST, STAR WARS-ESQUE JEDI)
Create a Psion base class, with a nod to the atwill skill-based mechanics of the 2e Psionicist, but even more so with a nod to the skill-based mechanics of Star Wars ‘force users’, such as a Jedi class.
PSIONIC SUBCLASSES FOR PSIONIC VERSIONS OF OTHER CLASSES (3e-ESQUE, 4e-ESQUE)
3e and 4e made Psionic versions for other classes, offering appealing alternatives but adding excessive redundancy. To transmit the appealing aspects, while minimizing redundancy, create Psionic versions for some of the other classes by creating Psionic subclasses for them. Take the Psionic options and use the rest of the class in a Psionic way.
Wizard schools (without any material components or implements)
• Telekinetic Forcemage, a force user. A default Telekinesis cantrip works like Mage Hand cantrip, but is explicitly a telekinetic force effect (not a conjured disembodied hand), and is able to spend spell slots to augment the amount of weight that the force can lift and push. The Telekinetic school emphasizes force spells like Fly, Magic Missile, Unseen Servant, Wall of Force, Reverse Gravity, and so on. The augmentable Telekinesis cantrip replaces aspects of the Telekinesis spell. Spontaneous telekinetic Fly becomes available at higher levels.
• Telepathy is identical with Enchantment magic. The Enchanter is already a Mindmage. But emphasize the Telepathic aspects of Enchantment spells, defaulting with a potent Telepathy cantrip, including nonlinguistic communication of feelings and images. Also emphasize the Illusion spells. Illusion is an aspect of Telepathy, especially hallucinatory subjective Phantasm magic. But also reality-bending objective phenomena, with Glamer involving telekinetic enhancements for virtual realities, like the Star Trek holodeck. Even full-on Alter Reality associates with Telepathy.
• In 5e, spell slots are now spontaneous and work well for Psionic flavor. There is no need for a point system, but feature the DMG Spell Point mechanic for players who want one.
• 5e Psionic Wizard subclasses = 3e XPH Psion.
Sorcerer
• 5e Sorcerer = 3e Wilder.
• Also a good class for flashy elemental kinesis, involving fire, cold, stone, wind, etcetera.
Cleric domain (important: no gods), the power of ones own mind is the most potent healing force there is.
• a dedicated Psychic Healer, who heals as well as a Cleric because this subclass is a Cleric.
Bard college (as Psionic Arts)
• Abjurer, reality-altering, protective, restorative, abjuring psychic powers, along with Prescience/Divination/Luck, psychic intuition of knowledge and skills, as well as probability and timelines, plus Telepathy/Enchantment/Illusion.
• 3e Psychic Warrior. Where the melee attacks are themselves psionically enhanced powers, the Psychic Warrior needs to be a full caster, for the same reason that the Swordmage needs to be a full caster. The Bard and Druid are both full casters who are proficient in melee combat, and good places to go for Psychometabolic effects, including Shapeshifting (Polymorph, etcetera), which the Psychic Warrior exemplifies. The Bard coheres with mental abilities, while the Druid coheres with elemental abilities. The Bard allready has Teleport/Mind Outofbody Projection, to give the Psionic Bard a psychic twist. Make ‘phasing’ thru objects, ethereal magic, spontaneous, and atwill.
Druid circle (as mind is already natural), seems useful for mind-over-body effects.
• Shapeshifting/Psychometabolic Enhancement. Possible shapeshifting includes beast forms, nightmare forms, elemental forms, and human mimicking.
Rogue
• ‘Mystical Ninja’ subclass. The mundane Rogue subclasses already offer everything needed for a ‘Historical Ninja’. But the Psionic version can supply the more magical aspects of the Ninja, including Psionic Invisiblity as a mind effect, and Psychometabolic Enhancements including Phasing thru solid objects.
Monk (mind-over-body Psionics = Ki)
• the ‘flashy’ psychokinetic aspects involving fire, cold, lightning, etcetera, especially for ‘Last Avatar’ elemental bending flavor.
Ranger and Paladin, as half casters, seem conducive for ‘psionic-lite’ options.
• Dexterous Psionic Ranger can work for a Soulknife build.
• Charismatic Psionic Paladin can work for a simple Jedi build, in ‘force armor’.
Fighter - keep Fighter mundane only, but make Psionic multiclassing work well.
PSYCHIC THEMES
Psychic themes often cluster as follows.
• Prescience/Divination/Luck/Intuition/Knowledge
• Telepathy/Enchantment/Illusion/Reality Bending
• Telekinesis/Force/Flight
• Shapeshifting/Psychometabolic Enhancement/Healing/Phasing/Ethereality
• Teleportation/Mind Outofbody Projection
• Elementalism (Fire, Ice, Wind, Stone, plus Spirit/Light/Ether) - a thematic blend of Telekinesis and Shapeshifting
Pop parapsychology flavor emphasizes:
• Prescience/Divination/Luck/Intuition, ‘psychic’ premonitions.
• Telepathy/Enchantment/Illusion, mind reading, mind control, hallucination.
• Telekinesis/Force - telekinesis is a gravity-like force and is invisible (avoid ‘flashy’ elemental flavor like fire magic). But luminous phenomena like glowing auras and floating lights are appropriate.
‘Tomorrow People’ flavor emphasizes the ‘three Ts’:
• Telekinesis
• Telepathy
• Teleportation
Viking ‘mindforces’ flavor emphasizes
• Prescience/Divination/Luck/Intuition
• Telepathy/Enchantment/Illusion/Reality Bending
• Shapeshifting/Psychometabolism
• Teleportation/Mind Outofbody Projection
In Viking flavor, Prescients who can predict the future, intuit truth, and so on, are beloved heroes of Viking communities. Prescients function as leaders and advisers with very high status. Normally, Prescients are proficient in Telepathic mindreading. However, Telepathic attacks including mind control and illusions are considered unfair, sometimes respected but sometimes taboo. Telekinesis seems weak. Telekinetic flying and moving objects remotely are rare and unimpressive. Flight normally happens by sending ones mind outofbody, or by shapeshifting into a winged creature, or both, by sending out ones mind in the physical form of a winged creature. Shapeshifting, including the psychometabolic enhancements during berserk rages, alters the physical body according to a mental self-image. Relating to Illusion, reality bending is especially strong, like Twilight Zone, including demiplanes, and thematic transformations of people and environments.
PSIONIC RACES
• Reinvent the 4e Charisma-Intelligence Eladrin as a Psionic Elf, a cloud-dwelling wind-form luminous sky spirit.
• Giants and Half-Giants are awesome for ‘flashy’ elemental telekinesis, especially fire and frost, but also stone and wind.
• 3e Elan is still a favorite for post-human flavor.
• A disembodied mindforce, resembling the ‘Unseen Servant’ spell or an angelic spirit, seems appealing.
Make all race features able to improve while leveling.
MODERN SETTING
Psychic powers are especially helpful for Modern and Near-Future campaign settings. Make an official Modern campaign setting that features Psionics, and present Psionics via that setting.
But make sure, Psionics works seemlessly and unobtrusively for Medieval-esque flavor. Avoid technobabble (except possibly as a list of alternative ‘scientific names’ in an appendix that can be ignored).
Make the Modern campaign setting guide be a stand-alone product, including Modern versions of the Basic Rules. In addition to a Psion class, the Modern book has all the information needed to play the Psionic version of a Wizard, a Cleric, a Bard, etcetera.
Players dont need the Players Handbook, but of course can add Players Handbook options to the Modern guide, and viceversa.
IN SUM
Psionics is mind-over-matter, only. No dependence on external power sources. Only ones own mind is the source.
Make 1e-esque psionic powers available as feats and cantrips. Design the Psion class as a 2e-esque Psionicist and a Star Wars-esque Jedi. For 3e-4e-esque versions of other classes, create a Psionic subclass for Wizard, Cleric, Bard, Druid, and whatever classes seem appropriate.
Feature Psionics as part of a Modern campaign setting, but ensure it works seemlessly in Medieval-esque settings.
• Psionics must be the inherent power of ones own mind. Mind-over-matter.
• Psionic options offer psionic feats, the Psion as a base class, and psionic subclasses for psionic versions of other classes.
• Psionics can be part of a Modern campaign setting guide.
MIND-OVER-MATTER FLAVOR
Most important of all: The flavor of psionics is mind-over-matter only.
No external power sources. No gods, no magic weave, no material components, no gp costs, no implements, no crystals, no ghosts, no Lovecraftian Far Realms taintedness, nothing except the power inherent in ones own mind.
All magic is magic, whether arcane, divine, ki, psionic, or the ‘magic’ of sci-fi future technology. Transparency is necessary for gaming balance and usability. The D&D psionic traditions never mainstreamed because of wildly imbalanced mechanics. There might be ways to distinguish power sources from each other mechanically in ways that make sense and seem balanced. But the difference between arcane and psionic is no greater than the difference between arcane and divine.
Psychic powers generally use Charisma and Wisdom. Charisma in the sense of mental force imposes ones will on people and objects in the world around. Wisdom holistically intuits aspects of the world. Intelligence seems the least useful mental ability for Psionics. But Psionic Wizard subclasses (see below) can utilize Intelligence to ‘understand’ and ‘calculate’ the material aspects of mind-over-matter.
Psionic magic items can exist, but they are objects that psychic individuals have imbued with their mind force by personal use and attachment. Psionic items might happen intentionally or unintentionally. Psionic items cannot be purchased or sold, because the ability to use them depends on the mindful permission of the imbuer.
Communities of psychic individuals can vaguely share powers via mindlinks, but this external source never becomes impersonal, and one oneself is always intimately part of this mind sharing. Psionic flavor is mind over matter, always.
PSIONIC FEATS AND CANTRIPS (1e-ESQUE)
Make cool feats available for any player character to take, regardless of race or class. Where 1e made Psionic powers a random chance, 5e can make Psionic powers available but in a balance way, by requiring players spend a feat to acquire psychic powers. The feat conveys the need to train and hone ones mental abilities. Similarly, make atwill Psionic cantrips available to any character that uses cantrips, including spontaneous Telekinesis (resembling Mage Hand but augmentable with spell slots), and Telepathy.
Make all feats and cantrips able to improve while leveling.
PSION CLASS (2e-ESQUE PSIONICIST, STAR WARS-ESQUE JEDI)
Create a Psion base class, with a nod to the atwill skill-based mechanics of the 2e Psionicist, but even more so with a nod to the skill-based mechanics of Star Wars ‘force users’, such as a Jedi class.
PSIONIC SUBCLASSES FOR PSIONIC VERSIONS OF OTHER CLASSES (3e-ESQUE, 4e-ESQUE)
3e and 4e made Psionic versions for other classes, offering appealing alternatives but adding excessive redundancy. To transmit the appealing aspects, while minimizing redundancy, create Psionic versions for some of the other classes by creating Psionic subclasses for them. Take the Psionic options and use the rest of the class in a Psionic way.
Wizard schools (without any material components or implements)
• Telekinetic Forcemage, a force user. A default Telekinesis cantrip works like Mage Hand cantrip, but is explicitly a telekinetic force effect (not a conjured disembodied hand), and is able to spend spell slots to augment the amount of weight that the force can lift and push. The Telekinetic school emphasizes force spells like Fly, Magic Missile, Unseen Servant, Wall of Force, Reverse Gravity, and so on. The augmentable Telekinesis cantrip replaces aspects of the Telekinesis spell. Spontaneous telekinetic Fly becomes available at higher levels.
• Telepathy is identical with Enchantment magic. The Enchanter is already a Mindmage. But emphasize the Telepathic aspects of Enchantment spells, defaulting with a potent Telepathy cantrip, including nonlinguistic communication of feelings and images. Also emphasize the Illusion spells. Illusion is an aspect of Telepathy, especially hallucinatory subjective Phantasm magic. But also reality-bending objective phenomena, with Glamer involving telekinetic enhancements for virtual realities, like the Star Trek holodeck. Even full-on Alter Reality associates with Telepathy.
• In 5e, spell slots are now spontaneous and work well for Psionic flavor. There is no need for a point system, but feature the DMG Spell Point mechanic for players who want one.
• 5e Psionic Wizard subclasses = 3e XPH Psion.
Sorcerer
• 5e Sorcerer = 3e Wilder.
• Also a good class for flashy elemental kinesis, involving fire, cold, stone, wind, etcetera.
Cleric domain (important: no gods), the power of ones own mind is the most potent healing force there is.
• a dedicated Psychic Healer, who heals as well as a Cleric because this subclass is a Cleric.
Bard college (as Psionic Arts)
• Abjurer, reality-altering, protective, restorative, abjuring psychic powers, along with Prescience/Divination/Luck, psychic intuition of knowledge and skills, as well as probability and timelines, plus Telepathy/Enchantment/Illusion.
• 3e Psychic Warrior. Where the melee attacks are themselves psionically enhanced powers, the Psychic Warrior needs to be a full caster, for the same reason that the Swordmage needs to be a full caster. The Bard and Druid are both full casters who are proficient in melee combat, and good places to go for Psychometabolic effects, including Shapeshifting (Polymorph, etcetera), which the Psychic Warrior exemplifies. The Bard coheres with mental abilities, while the Druid coheres with elemental abilities. The Bard allready has Teleport/Mind Outofbody Projection, to give the Psionic Bard a psychic twist. Make ‘phasing’ thru objects, ethereal magic, spontaneous, and atwill.
Druid circle (as mind is already natural), seems useful for mind-over-body effects.
• Shapeshifting/Psychometabolic Enhancement. Possible shapeshifting includes beast forms, nightmare forms, elemental forms, and human mimicking.
Rogue
• ‘Mystical Ninja’ subclass. The mundane Rogue subclasses already offer everything needed for a ‘Historical Ninja’. But the Psionic version can supply the more magical aspects of the Ninja, including Psionic Invisiblity as a mind effect, and Psychometabolic Enhancements including Phasing thru solid objects.
Monk (mind-over-body Psionics = Ki)
• the ‘flashy’ psychokinetic aspects involving fire, cold, lightning, etcetera, especially for ‘Last Avatar’ elemental bending flavor.
Ranger and Paladin, as half casters, seem conducive for ‘psionic-lite’ options.
• Dexterous Psionic Ranger can work for a Soulknife build.
• Charismatic Psionic Paladin can work for a simple Jedi build, in ‘force armor’.
Fighter - keep Fighter mundane only, but make Psionic multiclassing work well.
PSYCHIC THEMES
Psychic themes often cluster as follows.
• Prescience/Divination/Luck/Intuition/Knowledge
• Telepathy/Enchantment/Illusion/Reality Bending
• Telekinesis/Force/Flight
• Shapeshifting/Psychometabolic Enhancement/Healing/Phasing/Ethereality
• Teleportation/Mind Outofbody Projection
• Elementalism (Fire, Ice, Wind, Stone, plus Spirit/Light/Ether) - a thematic blend of Telekinesis and Shapeshifting
Pop parapsychology flavor emphasizes:
• Prescience/Divination/Luck/Intuition, ‘psychic’ premonitions.
• Telepathy/Enchantment/Illusion, mind reading, mind control, hallucination.
• Telekinesis/Force - telekinesis is a gravity-like force and is invisible (avoid ‘flashy’ elemental flavor like fire magic). But luminous phenomena like glowing auras and floating lights are appropriate.
‘Tomorrow People’ flavor emphasizes the ‘three Ts’:
• Telekinesis
• Telepathy
• Teleportation
Viking ‘mindforces’ flavor emphasizes
• Prescience/Divination/Luck/Intuition
• Telepathy/Enchantment/Illusion/Reality Bending
• Shapeshifting/Psychometabolism
• Teleportation/Mind Outofbody Projection
In Viking flavor, Prescients who can predict the future, intuit truth, and so on, are beloved heroes of Viking communities. Prescients function as leaders and advisers with very high status. Normally, Prescients are proficient in Telepathic mindreading. However, Telepathic attacks including mind control and illusions are considered unfair, sometimes respected but sometimes taboo. Telekinesis seems weak. Telekinetic flying and moving objects remotely are rare and unimpressive. Flight normally happens by sending ones mind outofbody, or by shapeshifting into a winged creature, or both, by sending out ones mind in the physical form of a winged creature. Shapeshifting, including the psychometabolic enhancements during berserk rages, alters the physical body according to a mental self-image. Relating to Illusion, reality bending is especially strong, like Twilight Zone, including demiplanes, and thematic transformations of people and environments.
PSIONIC RACES
• Reinvent the 4e Charisma-Intelligence Eladrin as a Psionic Elf, a cloud-dwelling wind-form luminous sky spirit.
• Giants and Half-Giants are awesome for ‘flashy’ elemental telekinesis, especially fire and frost, but also stone and wind.
• 3e Elan is still a favorite for post-human flavor.
• A disembodied mindforce, resembling the ‘Unseen Servant’ spell or an angelic spirit, seems appealing.
Make all race features able to improve while leveling.
MODERN SETTING
Psychic powers are especially helpful for Modern and Near-Future campaign settings. Make an official Modern campaign setting that features Psionics, and present Psionics via that setting.
But make sure, Psionics works seemlessly and unobtrusively for Medieval-esque flavor. Avoid technobabble (except possibly as a list of alternative ‘scientific names’ in an appendix that can be ignored).
Make the Modern campaign setting guide be a stand-alone product, including Modern versions of the Basic Rules. In addition to a Psion class, the Modern book has all the information needed to play the Psionic version of a Wizard, a Cleric, a Bard, etcetera.
Players dont need the Players Handbook, but of course can add Players Handbook options to the Modern guide, and viceversa.
IN SUM
Psionics is mind-over-matter, only. No dependence on external power sources. Only ones own mind is the source.
Make 1e-esque psionic powers available as feats and cantrips. Design the Psion class as a 2e-esque Psionicist and a Star Wars-esque Jedi. For 3e-4e-esque versions of other classes, create a Psionic subclass for Wizard, Cleric, Bard, Druid, and whatever classes seem appropriate.
Feature Psionics as part of a Modern campaign setting, but ensure it works seemlessly in Medieval-esque settings.
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AntlerDruid
Explorer
Psionics - my favorite...yes please! Don't forget about the Kalashtar too!
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